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24. August 2011 @ 12:22 |
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I should have explained further. The eSATA data cable which is always connected, is connected to my thermaltake sata dock. The dock is not powered up unless I"m running a drive. Last night I found it curious that lockups were not occurring while the dock was running. Could be coincidence. This lockup is highly erratic. Makes me look at my board...
I'd like to find a Hard drive monitoring software that can monitor the bandwidth/activity beyond 45 seconds. I like the windows resource monitor, but there has to be something better. Perhaps a monitor that can monitor via graph for a near infinite amount of time? Microsoft should have allowed the ability to tweak the resource monitor.
If there's no power to the cable(no ground), then the dock/external drive should not be causing this. I sure hope I'm wrong about this :S I'd rather it were the external dock than my motherboard!
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24. August 2011 @ 15:58 |
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It's not Sam you are correct I'm sure this is Kev's issue.
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24. August 2011 @ 17:45 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It's not Sam you are correct I'm sure this is Kev's issue.
Could you please elaborate?
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24. August 2011 @ 18:54 |
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If the data cable is hooked up and you don't have the power to the station on you still have power running to the station. It is minimal but it can be enough to see the device but not run the device which seems to be the issue for you. Pull your data cable when you are not using the eSATA device this is good practice and will eliminate these potential problems.
Pin Name Function
1 GND Ground
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3 A- Transmit-
4 GND Ground
5 B- Receive-
6 B+ Receive+
7 GND Ground
Serial ATA also reduces the signalling voltage from the 5 volts used in P-ATA down to 0.5 volts, which reduces power consumption and electrical interference.
See if the Device Manager shows the device show all devices even hidden.
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25. August 2011 @ 01:09 |
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I haven't seen a lockup for some time now. Man... this bug is really erratic. It makes me nervous. It tells me that something could be going bad, it just hasn't yet. Given the luck I've had with NB's and SB's, It wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind though, I've restored overclocks back to factory specifications, and it had no effect. And everything has been adequately cooled since I bought it.
I guess I'll just wait and see.
It didn't show up in the device manager. I played with the cord while refreshing the device manager. No butter. I did tell it to show hidden devices. Oh well. It was worth a shot.
My next system is getting attention that no other has seen. Premium water cooling, hardware monitoring up the wazoo! LOL! I can't wait.
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25. August 2011 @ 01:41 |
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25. August 2011 @ 18:58 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
My next system is getting attention that no other has seen. Premium water cooling, hardware monitoring up the wazoo! LOL! I can't wait.
WCing the mb and gpu is really more for aesthetics then anything else and will nearly double the cost.
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25. August 2011 @ 19:06 |
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I know :D LOL!
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25. August 2011 @ 19:38 |
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Well, I've got good news on my Asus ODD. I finally got to speak to someone who had an understanding of Common sense and logic. I simply asked him why they let me send it back so their techs could check the drive, and then discovered when the drive came back, that the original factory sticker hadn't been broken, so it wasn't looked at, at all. When I opened up the drive, it took me about 15 seconds to see the missing screw that is one of three that hold the spindle motor in place. It wasn't inside the drive, and I'm pretty sure I would have heard it rolling around if it was loose in the case. Noises like that in ODDs are not a good thing!
I have to send the old one back and they will send me a "new" one, not a refurb. They even sent me a UPS Label so all I have to do is drop it off at UPS! It probably cost me more than the price of the drive, but I can only stand so much before it becomes a matter of principle. I mean, what do you say to a Rep that tells you you are right, and then voids your warranty in the same breath? Same thing with the Rep's Supervisor, although he was the one who promised me that he would have the drive looked at and then determine it's warranty status! Oh, you also get the old familiar speech! "We are going to make you a special one time only exception!" Asus really needs new Dialog! That line of BS is so old and tired coming from them!
Russ
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25. August 2011 @ 22:00 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
My next system is getting attention that no other has seen. Premium water cooling, hardware monitoring up the wazoo! LOL! I can't wait.
WCing the mb and gpu is really more for aesthetics then anything else and will nearly double the cost.
I don't think so, the fact that Russ had issues with his NB/VRM is proof of that. I don't think water cooling is pretty either which also goes against your statement. Anything that gets hot is worth WC'n that is just common sense.
Russ, Glad to see they are finally helping you and not being a part of the problem, how frustrating!
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26. August 2011 @ 01:13 |
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When I said "I know", I meant that I knew it would be expensive. FYI ;)
I agree with Steve. Water cooling is not just for aesthetics(Glowing tubes, and silence), it's for an enthusiast, who likes getting the most out of his motherboard, and CPU, without frying it at the same time ;) Though I don't believe I'll watercool my future GPU. Unless it shows higher temps than I'm currently seeing on mine. GPU's are far too expensive, and for the little gain an OC would give me, I just can't see doing it.
I plan to push my next CPU to 4.5Ghz. God willing LOL!
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26. August 2011 @ 03:11 |
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I too only go to that extreme if I'm going to push a system, so for the most part I don't water cool PC's unless I need too. Same-Same :p
I can definately see why Russ does and I would in his situation as well.
I also like the idea of a chiller like Peltier Effect devices or other types for that matter but again the need has to be there.
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26. August 2011 @ 03:14 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
My next system is getting attention that no other has seen. Premium water cooling, hardware monitoring up the wazoo! LOL! I can't wait.
WCing the mb and gpu is really more for aesthetics then anything else and will nearly double the cost.
I don't think so, the fact that Russ had issues with his NB/VRM is proof of that. I don't think water cooling is pretty either which also goes against your statement. Anything that gets hot is worth WC'n that is just common sense.
Russ, Glad to see they are finally helping you and not being a part of the problem, how frustrating!
Mr-Movies,
Small correction. It was the SB750 chip that gave me problems, not the NB/VRM. My current motherboard temp runs between 40-43C. The problem that existed with cooling the NB was because there is no longer any concentrated airflow over the NB or VRMs, because there's no longer a fan to provide any airflow when you replace the air cooler with liquid cooling. The most important thing, is that even though the fan I modded into it, it only runs a couple of degrees cooler than without it. The big difference is that it doesn't get any warmer when encoding with DVDRB/CCE. Today's the first time it ever hit 43C, but it was a hot and humid 103F out today. It survived last summer that saw a good number of days at 110+F and above The fan mod lowers the MB temp about a degree or two, but it doesn't go up when fully loaded down, with all 6 cores at 100%. Considering that the house is 77 years old and has no insulation at all, the cooling is outstanding, in spite of not being able to get below 85F in my room on a hot day! That's with a 9600 BTU AC in a 12'x12' room, I might add. Unfortunately the room has SW exposure, so the sun is on it from mid morning until sunset! I need a seriously big tree! LOL!!
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Russ
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26. August 2011 @ 06:43 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
I too only go to that extreme if I'm going to push a system, so for the most part I don't water cool PC's unless I need too. Same-Same :p
I can definately see why Russ does and I would in his situation as well.
I also like the idea of a chiller like Peltier Effect devices or other types for that matter but again the need has to be there.
Mr-Movies,
The problem with a Peltier cooler is the danger of water molecules collecting and causing corrosion on the motherboard. The water it makes is distilled water, which is non-conductive and non corrosive. It's the impurities that the distilled water collects from anything it touches that causes the corrosion. That and they are horribly inefficient. I have a friend sophocles, who used to belong to this forum 5 years ago or so, that has an air conditioned case that uses a Peltier device as the cooler. I think the case draws more power than the computer! LOL!! Sam would know the name of the case I think.
One serious warning to anyone thinking they will go down to Radio Shack and pick up a Peltier device and sandwich it between the CPU and the CPU Cooler, and that's it. WRONG! There are so many ways you can get yourself into a world of trouble. Check this guide. http://www.dansdata.com/pelt.htm It's old but still one of the best guides for Peltier devices for CPU Cooling, and the guy who wrote it made it easy to understand. The bottom line is that if you are willing to do everything necessary and by the book, you can have a very good cooling system for the CPU. Be warned, it's a lot of hard work, and you have to do all of it perfectly!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. August 2011 @ 12:08 |
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A complete WC solution would take care of your SB750 southbridge so it is still the way to go. If I?m going to water cool a system I?m going to do it right and not just WC the CPU even though it is much cheaper to do that.
I would use Peltier system as a water chiller and not as a direct chip solution, as I'm aware of the issues of doing it the way you suggested and the way they marketed it for PC's when it first hit the market. Before anyone I knew of or even mentioned the possible problems I was already onboard with the issues and would not have made that mistake. I always try to think of what could go wrong and what the benefits are whenever I solicited a new approach, that's the engineer in me.
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26. August 2011 @ 12:55 |
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The Peltier sounds interesting, but it also sounds risky. I would put my computer in a sealed mineral oil tank, before I'd allow a peltier near my $h!t LOL! I may just try that one day too :p
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26. August 2011 @ 13:50 |
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The chiller would be outside of your PC just like a refrigerator so there would be no risk to your PC. You would have extra heat in your room though due to the backside of the plate(s). If the chiller or the pump goes out then your PC would overheat but that is true with fans and WC anyway. It would be a very quiet system the only noise coming from the impeller & PS?s fan of course. Dust build up would also be reduced with less airflow too. It would be a pain to do all of this so it would only be used in extreme cases of course.
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26. August 2011 @ 13:55 |
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Mmm, chilling a radiator would definitely have its uses. I may try that one day. OF course the power requirement is an eye opener ;)
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26. August 2011 @ 14:41 |
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Yup that would be another issue although I don't think you would need to run a dedicated 220v service. :D
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26. August 2011 @ 16:35 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
A complete WC solution would take care of your SB750 southbridge so it is still the way to go. If I?m going to water cool a system I?m going to do it right and not just WC the CPU even though it is much cheaper to do that.
I would use Peltier system as a water chiller and not as a direct chip solution, as I'm aware of the issues of doing it the way you suggested and the way they marketed it for PC's when it first hit the market. Before anyone I knew of or even mentioned the possible problems I was already onboard with the issues and would not have made that mistake. I always try to think of what could go wrong and what the benefits are whenever I solicited a new approach, that's the engineer in me.
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Stevo,
A complete WC solution would not have helped me with my SB750, as the chip was defective. I had the misfortune to get two in a row that were bad. Turned out to be a bad batch of SB750 chips!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. August 2011 @ 16:49 |
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Eek! That's all I have to say about that! What if my problem is a bad SB!
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26. August 2011 @ 16:51 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
A complete WC solution would take care of your SB750 southbridge so it is still the way to go. If I?m going to water cool a system I?m going to do it right and not just WC the CPU even though it is much cheaper to do that.
I would use Peltier system as a water chiller and not as a direct chip solution, as I'm aware of the issues of doing it the way you suggested and the way they marketed it for PC's when it first hit the market. Before anyone I knew of or even mentioned the possible problems I was already onboard with the issues and would not have made that mistake. I always try to think of what could go wrong and what the benefits are whenever I solicited a new approach, that's the engineer in me.
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Stevo,
A complete WC solution would not have helped me with my SB750, as the chip was defective. I had the misfortune to get two in a row that were bad. Turned out to be a bad batch of SB750 chips!
Best Regards,
Russ
Sorry about that Russ I didn't follow you I guess on that talk about luck. What are the odds of getting two SB's bad? Wow!
Kevin have you run chkdsk on your drives maybe one of your USN's has gotten corrupt that too can cause flakey problems.
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26. August 2011 @ 16:53 |
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Oooops DP sorry....
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26. August 2011 @ 16:58 |
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I usually use a utility to check the health of my drives. Speedfan or Everest. But I'll give the chkdsk utility a go ;)
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26. August 2011 @ 17:29 |
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Was it the SB750s or the SB700s that were the unreliable ones? I know AMD had a dodgy southbridge version that had a lot of failures.
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