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17. February 2012 @ 14:55 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
hows it going everyone? long time no chat...
so im about to do a nice high end build,yes for myself.
no its not gonna be a AMD rig like you all have. im staying with intel.
im getting the I7 2700K cpu. but im having a issue with what mobo to get. the gigabyte board i wanted is no longer being offered at newegg.(GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3P) anyone have any input on which i should look at? and a cooler for the CPU?
ssd or hdd? for OS only that is.
GPU? im wanting a good card that i can plug my flat screen tv into and watch movies right from my rig.HDMI a must. ati,nvidia, it dont matter to me. as you all know i dont game,other than some COD now and then. but i wouldnt mind a card that i know can handle the games.
oh yea. must have 6-8 sata plugins...lol you know how i am about odd's
any input on any part of this build is appreciated.
this is kinda what im looking at right now.
Rob,
The pic is too small to read.
Russ
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17. February 2012 @ 18:42 |
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17. February 2012 @ 18:52 |
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the only thing that is set in stone is the CPU...lol
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17. February 2012 @ 23:19 |
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18. February 2012 @ 01:51 |
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18. February 2012 @ 06:51 |
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The Intel 520 series SSDs are really designed for sequential read/write, and not for small files. This makes them great for dealing with large data volumes, but as an OS drive, you're better off going with a cheaper OCZ. The price is justified at least, $200 is about right for a 120GB drive.
I'd steer clear of the P8Z68 and look into a better value Gigabyte Z68 or similar. The price premium for that board seems excessive for its features, that plus it's an Asus... o_o
Seems a bit unnecessary skimping so hard on memory when you're spending a lot on the rest of the components. At least use 1600mhz memory...
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GPU: I owned a sapphire gpu once and the quality sucked; I would never recommend one. The cooler was also loud and barely did any "cooling" (at least when compared the XFX version I have now).
This sadly is the truth. Sapphire's coolers are generally the worst in the industry, and a couple of years ago they laid off all their QC division, so if they happened to produce a faulty card, the first person to notice would be the buyer. Another case of selling turds based on a previous good reputation. The '#1' AMD brand should be the last on anyone's shopping list.
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18. February 2012 @ 08:56 |
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I'll have to admit as well that Sapphire have been slipping lately. My X850XT is a Sapphire and still going strong as the day I bought it for high-end gaming. Others have not been so fortunate with newer cards. Luckily they still seem fairly reliable if you get a reference card. Not any moreso than any other reference card though.
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18. February 2012 @ 09:01 |
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The eye-opener for me was the revelation that they didn't even test their flagship $1100 cards, which were only in a limited production run of a few thousand. You'd think they'd at least give some consideration to that sort of product.
Unfortunately though, this is now industry common practice. Not many reference cards are tested either, so the DOA threshold has gone through the roof. I would place the industry standard across all PC parts that can actually fail (ignoring obvious things like mounting brackets) as having risen from about 3% up to about 8-9% at least. Taking all the DOAs across everyone I know having purchased hardware, I'd say 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 is about right, depending on what you buy.
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18. February 2012 @ 09:48 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The Intel 520 series SSDs are really designed for sequential read/write, and not for small files. This makes them great for dealing with large data volumes, but as an OS drive, you're better off going with a cheaper OCZ. The price is justified at least, $200 is about right for a 120GB drive.
I'd steer clear of the P8Z68 and look into a better value Gigabyte Z68 or similar. The price premium for that board seems excessive for its features, that plus it's an Asus... o_o
Seems a bit unnecessary skimping so hard on memory when you're spending a lot on the rest of the components. At least use 1600mhz memory...
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GPU: I owned a sapphire gpu once and the quality sucked; I would never recommend one. The cooler was also loud and barely did any "cooling" (at least when compared the XFX version I have now).
This sadly is the truth. Sapphire's coolers are generally the worst in the industry, and a couple of years ago they laid off all their QC division, so if they happened to produce a faulty card, the first person to notice would be the buyer. Another case of selling turds based on a previous good reputation. The '#1' AMD brand should be the last on anyone's shopping list.
Sam,
Price was the main reason I suggested the Patriot. Right now the patriot is $110 cheaper than the Intel 510. Even considering an OCZ at $200, the Patriot is still $70 cheaper with the $40 MIR. I have 0 complaints with mine, and the 120GB is slightly faster than my 60GB. At $130 w/MIR, it's a bargain. It also has more features and options.
As far as the 1333 memory goes, I may buy another 2x4GB of 7-7-7-21 Ripjaws because I can populate all 4 memory slots with no problems.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231402
The 1600 memory you posted is Cas 10, with timings of 10-10-10-30 memory, and is barely faster than the 1333 Cas 7, with timings of 7-7-7-21. Spending the extra $50 for the 1866 Cas 10 memory would be the best move. You gain 800MHz in memory speed over standard 1066 memory, but the important thing is at 1866MHz, the memory finally runs fast enough to negate the 10-10-10-30 timings, and improves the memory performance far more noticeably, especially for intense gaming.
Can you use all 4 slots on the modern Intel's, or are they still limited to 2 slots when overclocking?
Best Regards,
Russ
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18. February 2012 @ 09:51 |
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I know the Patriot is cheaper Russ, but that's because it's a 60GB SSD - the one Rob posted was 120GB. Presumably he has reasons for wanting that much space. I can certainly think of plenty.
Intels have never been limited to only using two memory slots when overclocking. Certainly not for at least the last 10 years.
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18. February 2012 @ 10:00 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I know the Patriot is cheaper Russ, but that's because it's a 60GB SSD - the one Rob posted was 120GB. Presumably he has reasons for wanting that much space. I can certainly think of plenty.
Intels have never been limited to only using two memory slots when overclocking. Certainly not for at least the last 10 years.
Sam,
I linked a 120 to Rob, not the 60. The price is $130 w/MIR and free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220603
They should be back in stock the first of the week.
Best Regards,
Russ
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18. February 2012 @ 10:06 |
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It's only $130 after-MIR, and I'm very distrustful of out of stuck 'offers'. Usually it means the offer has expired and the product will return to stock at a higher price. Not always, but often. All the other Patriot 120GB SSDs are about $200, or $170 after MIR. By comparison 120GB Intel SSDs are $185. There's not a lot in it.
Still, from a random R/W performance perspective, the Patriots are better, but then so are most SSD brands. On the whole though, to be completely honest, I think performance beyond a certain point in SSDs is wholly unnecessary.
It's fair to say my system is pretty high up at the moment in terms of what you can get for performance, 12GB of 1600mhz RAM, a 4.1Ghz i5 quad core and powerful graphics. Yet running in tandem with this is Intel's entry-level, lowest-performing SSD which I've had for 18 months and cost me all of £70 (or about $90 pre-tax). Despite this, it's more than a match for the rest of the system. There's no slowdown with any applications, it's got more than enough performance for anyone's needs as an OS drive.
This makes me think, what's the point in having something any faster? The only benefit I can see is having a cache drive for writing large files, such as screen capture software. For that, most SSDs have enough raw write performance these days, the Intel 510s being about the best of the pack for it. In reality, for most people, now that the old crappy SSDs like the OCZ Solid series are long gone, an SSD is an SSD. Buy the biggest you need/afford and have done with it, or if you've a particular brand preference, go with that. I honestly don't think SSD performance really means much any more in the real world. They're just numbers.
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18. February 2012 @ 10:36 |
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great info guys thanks. im still about 2-3 weeks away from being able to get my stuff so i have time to do some homework.
like i said the only thing that i am 100% sure on wanting is the CPU. its a billy bad azz... is there gonna be that much more performance in the ivy bridge over the sandy bridge? i dont think i can get lucky like i did when i got my wolfdale E8400 being that new and not tested yet.lol
the GPU i liked the XFX's but went with the sapphire just on name alone. as i know nothing about the gpus.
the Z68 mobo from gigabyte i want they no longer offer. GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3P
the mem i choose was just something iseen that fit the spec for the cpu. being able to max its controler usage. i like the gskill and mushkin mem ive had good luck with them and gigabyte boards.
the SSD i want a 120gb just cuz im not sold on a 60gb being enough for the OS and small files i might put on that drive.
and i went intel just cuz i know a couple people that have a OCZ ssd and the have had failures with them even the replacements. now for the exact models i dont know for sure.
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18. February 2012 @ 10:40 |
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Yeah the Intels are by far the most reliable SSDs out there, which was one of the reasons I went with them. That plus at the time OCZs were a bit of a minefield selling some old JMicron SSDs, Indilinx, Samsungs, you name it. The Intels were the slower but safer option.
The i7 2700K is a very powerful CPU, though I do wonder whether it's really worth the extra $40 versus the 2600K, given the 100mhz increase. Ivy Bridge is going to be a die-shrink, so it may offer some extra performance, but nothing else is going on, so the increase won't be huge. Maybe 20% or so. Even at stock, the 2700K outpaces the AMD FX-8150 in most multi-threaded applications, so if you're able to overclock it a bit, then you'll have some serious processing power.
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18. February 2012 @ 12:08 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It's only $130 after-MIR, and I'm very distrustful of out of stuck 'offers'. Usually it means the offer has expired and the product will return to stock at a higher price. Not always, but often. All the other Patriot 120GB SSDs are about $200, or $170 after MIR. By comparison 120GB Intel SSDs are $185. There's not a lot in it.
Still, from a random R/W performance perspective, the Patriots are better, but then so are most SSD brands. On the whole though, to be completely honest, I think performance beyond a certain point in SSDs is wholly unnecessary.
It's fair to say my system is pretty high up at the moment in terms of what you can get for performance, 12GB of 1600mhz RAM, a 4.1Ghz i5 quad core and powerful graphics. Yet running in tandem with this is Intel's entry-level, lowest-performing SSD which I've had for 18 months and cost me all of £70 (or about $90 pre-tax). Despite this, it's more than a match for the rest of the system. There's no slowdown with any applications, it's got more than enough performance for anyone's needs as an OS drive.
This makes me think, what's the point in having something any faster? The only benefit I can see is having a cache drive for writing large files, such as screen capture software. For that, most SSDs have enough raw write performance these days, the Intel 510s being about the best of the pack for it. In reality, for most people, now that the old crappy SSDs like the OCZ Solid series are long gone, an SSD is an SSD. Buy the biggest you need/afford and have done with it, or if you've a particular brand preference, go with that. I honestly don't think SSD performance really means much any more in the real world. They're just numbers.
Sam,
It wasn't a limited sale, so Newegg will honor it. I've never known them not to! Even if they do mess up, you send them an email and they will modify the price to the sale price. I've only had that problem once, and they took care of it promptly, and send you a special code to use to order it. They are also pretty "Consumer Friendly", at the moment. Most components are 2 day, free shipping
As far as not being a lot in it
That's a reasonable enough goody list for me. The main point I was trying to make is that at $130, it's a high quality fast drive at a very good price. Same warranty as Intel and same MTBF, as well as the same Sandforce controller. I'm not a patriot fanboy, buy I do own and like my Pyro SSD.
I do understand what you are saying about the speed, but the bottom line here is the price and what you get for your money. The Pyro is a best buy.
Best Regards,
Russ
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18. February 2012 @ 12:26 |
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All SSDs employ the technologies in that sales blurb, so it's not much to shout about :P
The only difference are the numbers, which as I stated earlier, don't actually mean that much. I'm sure the Patriot SSDs are fine products, but there's nothing which really makes them any better than anything else on the market. The OCZ Vertex 3 is similarly priced and offers the same sort of level of performance.
Rob's in the same boat as me really, sticking with Intel SSDs even at a slight value and performance disadvantage because they're built differently to the generic OCZ/Patriot/Kingston/Corsair etc. SSDs out there, and that means they're less likely to encounter issues further down the line. The risk is pretty low even with the other SSD brands, but there's a fair amount of solid evidence to suggest that the Intels are the best product from a design quality standpoint. When it's data we're talking about, I'm willing to suffer performance and price to get a better product. Case in point is me using WD Green drives. They're the slowest of the bunch, not the cheapest, and have some odd quirks, but they're the best design that's out there, hence why I use them.
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I think I'd have to agree with sam. From what I've seen of reviews, Intel SSD's seem to bring quality to the table. Not suggesting your patriot will fail however. I wish it well, and a long life ;)
I stick with Western digital, because I actually had a problem with a seagate drive once upon a time. Western Digital seems to be the quality mechanical drive.
Sam, the 3Tb stutter seems to be isolated to Total media theater. MPC-HC does not have the problem. And I really believe there was a driver issue with the 8600Gt. Because of the driver issue, the CPU was working a great deal harder, slowing down overall processes. Even Audio surf loads MP3's considerably quicker. I'm not a programmer, but I have an inkling what may have been happening. Difficult to explain...
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well i have 2 WD green 500gb drives and love them. never have had a issue out of them YET!!! knock on wood... and one of them might be going in this buld when all said and done.
as for the 2700K vs 2600K i know there is a good price difference $40-60 depending where i get it. but from the reviews and other info on OC'ing them the 2700k seems to be a OCing beast. 5.0-5.5gz(on liquid cooling) im not going any where near that but 4.4-4.6ghz is a goal. seeing that 3.9ghz on turbo boost on its on is stock thats shouldnt be to hard to obtain. im sure ocing these are alot different than my Q9550 as the mobo and bios will all be different so the learning curve is back in there for me. seeing ive been out of the loop for a year and half. so just getting it built and then tinkering with it slowly is what im gonna do at first..lol
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18. February 2012 @ 13:05 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
great info guys thanks. im still about 2-3 weeks away from being able to get my stuff so i have time to do some homework.
like i said the only thing that i am 100% sure on wanting is the CPU. its a billy bad azz... is there gonna be that much more performance in the ivy bridge over the sandy bridge? i dont think i can get lucky like i did when i got my wolfdale E8400 being that new and not tested yet.lol
the GPU i liked the XFX's but went with the sapphire just on name alone. as i know nothing about the gpus.
the Z68 mobo from gigabyte i want they no longer offer. GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3P
the mem i choose was just something iseen that fit the spec for the cpu. being able to max its controler usage. i like the gskill and mushkin mem ive had good luck with them and gigabyte boards.
the SSD i want a 120gb just cuz im not sold on a 60gb being enough for the OS and small files i might put on that drive.
and i went intel just cuz i know a couple people that have a OCZ ssd and the have had failures with them even the replacements. now for the exact models i dont know for sure.
Rob,
I sent you a link for the 120GB Pyro! I just mentioned I had the 60GB. That's $130 for a 120GB SSD that's very fast!
Russ
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18. February 2012 @ 13:11 |
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Rob, are you selling your old computer? I ask because I see you're purchasing a case as well. The HAF932 is the last case I'll ever need :p One of the best purchases I've ever made. I thought you bought the 922. Essentially a smaller version of it. I suppose I'll either be buying or building my next case, when it it comes time for upgrading though. Cause I won't sell my current components. I wish them to be in a secondary. Probably a file server/encoder.
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oh no im not selling my current system. it will stay here in the house for the boys to use, and me have something to tinker with..lol yes i have the HAF 922 love it. i want the HAF X but where i plan on putting it i dont have the room. and the 932 is even a little bigger than the 922 so i dont know if it will fit in my space or not....
Russ, where did you send me a link to? pm here or my email? either or i havent gotten anything?
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Originally posted by sammorris:
All SSDs employ the technologies in that sales blurb, so it's not much to shout about :P
The only difference are the numbers, which as I stated earlier, don't actually mean that much. I'm sure the Patriot SSDs are fine products, but there's nothing which really makes them any better than anything else on the market. The OCZ Vertex 3 is similarly priced and offers the same sort of level of performance.
Rob's in the same boat as me really, sticking with Intel SSDs even at a slight value and performance disadvantage because they're built differently to the generic OCZ/Patriot/Kingston/Corsair etc. SSDs out there, and that means they're less likely to encounter issues further down the line. The risk is pretty low even with the other SSD brands, but there's a fair amount of solid evidence to suggest that the Intels are the best product from a design quality standpoint. When it's data we're talking about, I'm willing to suffer performance and price to get a better product. Case in point is me using WD Green drives. They're the slowest of the bunch, not the cheapest, and have some odd quirks, but they're the best design that's out there, hence why I use them.
Sam, you can't make any case for what you are saying based on a WD Mechanical drive. You can't see inside them, so how can you tell that the design is better. What design quality. There's only so much room available inside a 2.5" drive, so it can't be that different. The Pyro is 20% faster in reads, and 60% faster in writes, and the quality of the fit and finish is top notch. Rob can do whatever he likes, as it doesn't matter to me, but if it's me, I save the $110!
The bottom line is the Patriot Does Sequential Reads at 550MB/s, 100MB/s faster than the Intel 510, and Sequential Writes at 515MB/s, over 300MB/s faster than the Intel. It's $110 cheaper. It matters not to me what Rob buys. I've had mine for a couple of months or more and I haven't had a single problem with it. It sees at least 14 hours a day of use, many times more than that!
Best Regards,
Russ
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I think I'd have to agree with sam. From what I've seen of reviews, Intel SSD's seem to bring quality to the table. Not suggesting your patriot will fail however. I wish it well, and a long life ;)
I stick with Western digital, because I actually had a problem with a seagate drive once upon a time. Western Digital seems to be the quality mechanical drive.
Sam, the 3Tb stutter seems to be isolated to Total media theater. MPC-HC does not have the problem. And I really believe there was a driver issue with the 8600Gt. Because of the driver issue, the CPU was working a great deal harder, slowing down overall processes. Even Audio surf loads MP3's considerably quicker. I'm not a programmer, but I have an inkling what may have been happening. Difficult to explain...
Sounds right to me. Even a card as slow as the 8600GT should not lag your desktop.
As for the media theatre, sounds like a software bug with how the buffer works. I've played a plethora of content in several different players, MPC, MPCHC, VLC, MPlayer and Nero Showtime. Never seen the issues you reported with Total...
Russ, I'll say it again, 500MB/s is great, but what will actually use that? Give me one example, I genuinely can't think of one. Like I said, the numbers don't really matter, at all...
As for the WD Green design quality, read any white papers, or the product design specs? Just owning the drives and doing some research is enough to tell you - the Samsung alternatives have lots of very spurious activity going on with their SMART controllers for example. As for the SSDs, the Intels use their own bespoke controllers. The Patriots just buy the same OEM from Sandforce that all the other SSD manufacturers buy.
Rob: 4.5's a given on the i7 2600K, so the 2700K should do at least that much. 5Ghz+ is the unknown territory where you're at the mercy of the binning of the chip.
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