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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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13. February 2012 @ 15:28 |
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The head unloading only applies when the drives have been idle for a few seconds. It shouldn't affect continuous I/O performance in any way. Don't forget though, they do use a reduced spindle speed, so that will have a significant effect on performance.
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13. February 2012 @ 15:46 |
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They're the only drives that cause a particular stutter during blu-ray playback. But it's only at the start of playback. I can live with that. You're probably right about the spindle speed effecting overall performance. Naturally ;) They are after all storage drives. I guess one should not expect 'black drive' like performance from a green drive ;)
Man, it's gonna be years before a 1 - 3Tb SSD is trustworthy, and affordable. I suppose I will see the day though. Probably a new technology too, that will have us drooling.
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13. February 2012 @ 16:12 |
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I play high-bitrate stuff off caviar green drives all the time and have done for three years, never seen any issues like that. What player is this?
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13. February 2012 @ 16:20 |
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TMT5. The very first couple seconds. I believe TMT3 did it as well. However, I believe only the 3Tb drives do it. I have some kind of weird lag issue going on at the moment. Can't test further at the moment. Ever since I pulled the GTX 260, it's like the CPU is taking on more of day to day tasks, that the 260 obviously used to handle. I really can't wait for the 570... AND the CPU cooler. I can't use any more than 3 cores for extended periods of time, for fear of over heat :S
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13. February 2012 @ 16:22 |
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Have you tried using something other than TMT? I mean, I can't say I have experience with the 3TB drives, but I fail to see why they'd be any different in behaviour to the 1.0/1.5/2.0TB versions unless there's some sort of bug with GPT I'm not familiar with.
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13. February 2012 @ 16:27 |
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I don't like PDVD. And I like the way TMT5 is configured. But perhaps this is worth looking into. Wednesday night, all will be well on my desk LOL! *touch wood* :S
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13. February 2012 @ 16:28 |
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I don't like PowerDVD either. Media Player Classic Homecinema, VideoLAN, MPlayer and GOMPlayer seem to all get good reviews, though I haven't tried the latter. As far as I know they are all adept at playing native DVD and Bluray content, as well as rips.
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13. February 2012 @ 17:39 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I wish I didn't sell my Black drives. I'd like to experiment with a few things. My green drives behave substantially different. I believe because the head unloading.
Which was my point way-way back! Funny....
I've given up on PowerDVD too and use TMT and a few others now.
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14. February 2012 @ 06:45 |
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Sorry, wrong forum.
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16. February 2012 @ 04:38 |
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Regarding GTX 570, and XIGMATEK Aegir SD128264 Mega Killer!
Oh man! My computer is running really well now! The GTX 570 seems to aid the overall windows 7 experience. The lag I was getting before is non existent! And I think I just blew the tuniq tower out of the water. I haven't overclocked yet. But I just ran prime 95 with 3 120mm fans @ 1350rpms for about 10 minutes. It hovered between 36 and 37C! The Tuniq was over 40 I believe. And I haven't even pushed the fans yet. By the way... It smoked the Coolit Eco too :p There's something to be said about a large heatsink. This one is roughly the same size as the Tuniq. But the copper heat pipes obviously make an impact. I won't sell this one, EVER!
I have it in a push/pull configuration. Could I do any less? Fit quite nicely in the HAF932. I must admit... It was certainly the most complex cooler I've installed. With the Tuniq, I didn't need to remove the backplate. With this one, It came with its own unique backplate. I guess I understand why. The fan/s were rather tricky to install. I've never used the rubber dampening deals before. I would connect one side, and while connecting the remaining side, the other side would come undone LOL! It was kind of fun though.
Man I still can't get over it! Smooth smooth smooth!
I see now why the temporary cooler I was using was heating up so quick. Pics in the morning :)
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16. February 2012 @ 06:45 |
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To be completely honest, sometimes all you need is a good lick of thermal paste :p
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16. February 2012 @ 06:51 |
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Also stands to be said some thermal goops simply dry out over time. Have personally found ASceramique cures hard instead of drying which is part of its cooling power. It doesn't simply dry up or deteriorate like some TIMs. Kinda plugging my favorite product here lol but tbh all the problems people have with TIM application I have never seen. If I were to replace my TIM right now it wouldn't make a lick of difference. This application is nearing a year old now.
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16. February 2012 @ 12:41 |
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As you can see, the CPU was not getting the coverage it probably should have. Which is why I wouldn't allow 4 cores to run for very long. 60+ Celsius was very likely. The heatsink in the picture, is 90% fins. Not a whole lot of base coverage.
I'm pretty sure the base plate of the mega killer is larger than even the Tuniq. I imagine Estuansis would have lapped it. I eyed the contact surface, and it was far from perfectly flat. I could see large gaps between the copper pipes, and the aluminum. I elected to simply add a tiny bit extra thermal paste. The same stuff I used on the temporary cooler. Arctic 5. And actually, I think the mega killer is a fair amount larger than the tuniq :) Certainly with the push pull. Even the northbridge seems to be benefiting. It's cooler than it's been in a while.
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16. February 2012 @ 12:59 |
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Hmm seems to me that the surface of either the CPU or the cooler was not entirely true. All four corners coverage is not essential at all but it shouldn't be biased to one side like that. Remember the actual die is a small square under the heat spreader. As far as that cooler goes the actual coverage was there, but the pressure was not even.
When my TIM spreads it creates almost a circle touching all four sides but not the corners. It is always uniformly thin and airpocket-free as well.
Starting with the dot in the center method I generally spread a small circle out in the middle of the CPU, much like peanut butter on bread, and let the cooler spread it for coverage. I think essential to my strategy though is the initial spreading. I don't squash the dot and let it spread itself. It's hard to explain without pics, but I don't simply mash the dot down, nor do I fully spread it by hand, I only make it even so it spreads evenly in all directions. This is somewhat essential for lapped CPUs as well because they have less imperfections for the TIM to spread into. This increases the margin of error for the direction of the spread when applying pressure.
Also, the amount of TIM I use is more akin to the size of 2 BBs. Think like a good sized pea.
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16. February 2012 @ 13:06 |
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True true. And the majority of the CPU heat is likely produced in the center of the CPU ;) Ahh, I was very careful about air pockets with the mega killer. I made a good guess on how much, and I very carefully pushed, while slightly rocking/twisting to apply the compound. It felt really good :)
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16. February 2012 @ 13:12 |
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Maybe re-read my post again? Just made some last second edits, particularly on amount used. Many have told me I use too much but I have yet to even have it goosh out the sides under the strong pressure of a firmly bolted backplate cooler. Not to mention my actual temp results.
And yeah that sounds about right to me. Many say not to twist at all as it "unevens" the paste but they really are not using enough then. A small amount of twisting is always necessary to do it properly, even if not really necessary to get results.
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16. February 2012 @ 13:20 |
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I check for edits :p
I used about a pea size. Maybe slightly more. I didn't goosh either. I had to pinpoint a problem last night, which required my breaking out a flashlight and mirror, and inspecting the entire board. Stupid mistake. Don't ask LOL!
I generally let the sink do the spreading. I apply in the perfect center. And then carefully rock and press. And then fasten carefully. I was so careful with the mega killer. I imagine you do need to be more careful with a lapped surface. Quantity, placement. Makes perfect sense.
Agreed on the twisting.
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16. February 2012 @ 13:31 |
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Okay NOW I'm interested :P What did it turn out to be? Seriously, just interested as it seems like a fairly easy mistake to make. I actually had metal shavings shorting something out once upon a time, leftover in the case from some mods done in the garage. Guess an air compressor and a tack cloth just doesn't get it all lol. Luckily an extra thorough second cleaning had everything in order.
Also yeah it does seem like the new cooler is in place properly. Sounds about like what I've done in the past.
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16. February 2012 @ 13:52 |
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Long story short... I forgot to plug in the CPU power supply :S
I thought the new GTX 570 was DOA. Plugged in the 8600GT. Nothing. Took out the battery. Nothing. Assumed that having the Ram in slots 3 & 4 was no good. Moved to 1 & 2. No good. Then I'm like, something isn't right here...
So I broke out the mirror to see if I fastened down the CPU with the lock. Yup. Then I came across the CPU voltage header. Oh! Oops!!!
I can't believe I did that. I don't have a checklist, but I do always check to make sure things are plugged back in. Somehow I overlooked that one. Once I realized that, I KNEW that was the problem LOL! I had the Ram in 3 & 4, because the fans were making it difficult. Tight squeeze!
3.7Ghz, 1.375V 43C! NB 48C :(
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16. February 2012 @ 14:15 |
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Actually most MB's like the RAM in the later slots so that is not bad and is actually preferred by board manufactures.
I don't use the CPU/heatsink to spread the ceramic paste I always use the tube to spread it around lightly covering 3/4's of the square, but again not applying it heavily. Rocking the heatsink on the MB/CPU can cause problems with the layers on the MB if you not careful and is something you should avoid. I've never had my paste dry out when using my paste, and there is a thin even layer when I apply the heatsink assembly, which is what you want. I do not like the tape that comes with new CPU's as it always dries out and hardens causing problems as time goes on.
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1) Make sure Ceiling fan is OFF.
2) Make sure CPU Power Connector is seated Properly before powering up computer!
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16. February 2012 @ 14:20 |
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LOL! I hate ceiling fans! :p
There's nothing wrong with rocking/twisting, but it should not be done vigorously. I could feel what the paste was doing, through the sink. It felt really good. Probably the best thermal application I've done.
My diamond paste felt a bit thick, so I elected to use the arctic 5 again. Apparently it was a good call! The northbridge once again requires attention though. I really need to think of something here.
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16. February 2012 @ 14:41 |
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I have ruined a MB by rocking and applying pressure to a MB either by inserting RAM or CPU's. It is never a good idea to apply pressure to them flexing the MB in anyway. They will normally take a little flexing but it is not preferred really. If you're careful you'll get away with it most of the time, as long as the board is secured properly and you don't apply too much pressure. The key here is, what is too much? As it varies from board to board. Even putting RAM in can be dangerous but you are right that most boards will put up with a little man handling these days. Years ago boards were much more delicate than they are today.
Way to figure the problem out, good job!
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16. February 2012 @ 15:26 |
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I think you misunderstood. I didn't have it fastened down, when I began rocking/twisting. I'm talking about spreading the paste :) Once it's fastened down, I leave it alone.
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16. February 2012 @ 15:40 |
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That is better then, if it is secure on a flat surface and you don't over do it so that the stiffener doesn't rock around you'll be fine. You're right I wasn't aware of your situation.
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16. February 2012 @ 16:11 |
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I gotta say this again. Especially considering this is the building thread. The GPU is apparently more important then I originally thought. The 8600Gt Caused all sorts of lag. There is nothing wrong with it, it's simply so slow, and outdated, it effects the overall windows performance. Granted I never tried shutting off aero...
When building a new system, I highly recommend not skimping on the Graphics processor. Especially for an operating system like Windows 7/Vista. I wonder now, how the Geforce 210 would compare to the 8600Gt. I think that statistically, the 8600Gt should win out, but I really wonder. My brother runs it on his HTPC. He has nearly no lag. I wonder if Nvidia updates their drivers, to begin hindering old tech. I guess that wouldn't surprise me. A bit underhanded, but the 8600Gt is pretty old.
Man, even web browsers are more snappy!
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