Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by Estuansis:

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I can still do HDMI audio to my TV directly with the video card but for some reason the KVM simply doesn't support it.

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So you have a HDMI KVM? I thought I had a rare beast with a DVI-I KVM, I wasn't aware that there were HDMI KVM's now. Where did you get your KVM and who makes it? Does it have at least 4 ports?

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Fortunately dead pixels seem to be a thing of the past now, no matter what you buy.
Took long enough! lol

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Fortunately dead pixels seem to be a thing of the past now, no matter what you buy.
Took long enough! lol

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Originally posted by Estuansis:

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Woo had my 22nd birthday yesterday. Was a blast!

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Originally posted by DXR88:

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Pshh low Profile, you need a big chunk of Copper Core/Aluminum on there to sink your heat.

which brings me back to my old pondering question...why are they called heat-sinks? heat- pullers or heat-extractors would be more precise

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Well, there aren't many low profile coolers that can take overclocked Phenom II furnaces, but there are plenty of offerings that work quietly with 95 and 130W chips.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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To be fair, the early i7s were 130w chips and they're just as old as the 140w Phenom IIs anyway, despite the considerable performance difference. beyond that, when I say furnace I mean the amount of heat they have to dissipate, not the internal die temperature, as since AMD place their sensors in a different location to Intel, they're never a good way of testing how much heat a CPU is putting out. The only reason the old i7s got hot was cheap stock coolers.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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To be fair, the early i7s were 130w chips and they're just as old as the 140w Phenom IIs anyway, despite the considerable performance difference. beyond that, when I say furnace I mean the amount of heat they have to dissipate, not the internal die temperature, as since AMD place their sensors in a different location to Intel, they're never a good way of testing how much heat a CPU is putting out. The only reason the old i7s got hot was cheap stock coolers.

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by Russ,
I may even buy one of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960

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Regardless of were the sensors are the internal case temp does not get to furnace levels.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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To be fair, the early i7s were 130w chips and they're just as old as the 140w Phenom IIs anyway, despite the considerable performance difference. beyond that, when I say furnace I mean the amount of heat they have to dissipate, not the internal die temperature, as since AMD place their sensors in a different location to Intel, they're never a good way of testing how much heat a CPU is putting out. The only reason the old i7s got hot was cheap stock coolers.

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Regardless of were the sensors are the internal case temp does not get to furnace levels. My 140w runs cool and does not get excessively warm. Also the more cores you have the more potential heat you will have whether it is Intel or AMD. A new Intel quad may be a slight bit cooler than a quad AMD but it really is a mood point and not the exaggerated point you would like to make it out to be. Thinner substrates (masks), lower power consumption is always better or at least most of the time and Intel's are better for power consumption as to the considerable performance difference you can live in your benchmark world, or exaggerated sites world as I've stated before, I just don't see the great performance of your beloved Intel's!

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by Russ,
I may even buy one of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960

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That is exactly what I'll buy for a performance machine and I'll save big bucks doing so.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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AMD vs Intel aside, the FX CPUs are still dreadful. Stick with the Phenom II X6, that's the best AMD CPU for now.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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AMD vs Intel aside, the FX CPUs are still dreadful. Stick with the Phenom II X6, that's the best AMD CPU for now.

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Do you have a FX cpu? One nice thing is that they support much higher speed rates native, without OC'n. That with more core power would make one believe they perform better. Since I don't have one yet you could be right even though it just doesn't add up.

And your furnace references are exaggerated, on purpose, regardless of your poor tongue & cheek argument. The bottom line is they do not get excessively hot, at best a bit warm under load.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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AMD vs Intel aside, the FX CPUs are still dreadful. Stick with the Phenom II X6, that's the best AMD CPU for now.

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Do you have a FX cpu? One nice thing is that they support much higher speed rates native, without OC'n. That with more core power would make one believe they perform better. Since I don't have one yet you could be right even though it just doesn't add up.

And your furnace references are exaggerated, on purpose, regardless of your poor tongue & cheek argument. The bottom line is they do not get excessively hot, at best a bit warm under load.

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And it's the same story for the i5/i7. If you don't own it, you can't apply real world experience. Still, real world experience does not really work with CPUs, because 'perceived' performance is too variable on software health, hard disk speed, memory, fragmentation and so on. The benchmark is numerical tests, hence using them in arguments.

The 'furnace' argument was, as usual, perceived as a slant against AMD - it refers to all 100W+ CPUs, but since nobody here owns any 100W+ intels, I didn't mention it. Woe betide anyone that doesn't explicitly mention in every sentence that a negative attribute can be applied to either brand.

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