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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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3. April 2012 @ 10:13 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Oh didn't see your edit! I see, very interesting! It's off by default for me so I never gave it much thought.
Estuansis,
It's funny, I just googled it yesterday to find out what it was. I was always told to leave it disabled, but no one knew why. Great minds think alike, I guess!
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3. April 2012 @ 17:55 |
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Here's something new I just discovered. I just flashed the motherboard bios to F9, in my Gigabyte 990XA-UD3. As you scroll down through the voltages, the CPU voltage is now set to 1.30v, instead of 1.40v, when you select Normal!
I have been wondering where the 1.40v came from to begin with, since the CPU box indicates it should be much lower than 1.40v The big surprise is that it runs so much cooler.
Russ
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3. April 2012 @ 18:09 |
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I had that with a P35 board actually, the automatically selected voltage chosen changed when I updated the BIOS.
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3. April 2012 @ 18:30 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I had that with a P35 board actually, the automatically selected voltage chosen changed when I updated the BIOS.
Sam,
What get's me is that Normal has always been 1.40v, and now it's 1.30v. I've always had to lower the voltage, as it was too high, set to normal. It's never run with it set this low before though. I ran IBT, Maximum stress, 10 passes, and it got to 53C max. It never hit 40C encoding a DVD. Same settings as before, 3.6GHz, with the HT set to 5200.
Russ
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3. April 2012 @ 18:48 |
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That's very impressive russ. You certainly have me beat. Plus you have 6 cores to my 4. I'm itching for one of those badboys! :p Maybe I'll break down and sell some stuff, so I can afford one. Not sure when I'll get another job. They're supposed to let me know.
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4. April 2012 @ 06:24 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
That's very impressive russ. You certainly have me beat. Plus you have 6 cores to my 4. I'm itching for one of those badboys! :p Maybe I'll break down and sell some stuff, so I can afford one. Not sure when I'll get another job. They're supposed to let me know.
Oman7,
All I can say is as good a board as the 790X-UD4H was, the socket AM3+ 990XA-UD3 is a good 15% faster, with the 1090T at bone stock settings. I took my time with this build, did a lot of research, asked questions, and then shopped sales for all the pieces. Every component improved the build because I bought as close to the top as I could reasonably afford. If I needed something I couldn't afford at the time, I waited, saved my money and spent my time looking for a sale! This thing is a beast! It would satisfy over 90% of computer builders, but never satisfy the hard core gamers. I'm not disappointed in what it can't do, I'm impressed as Hell, with what it does! It's the best computer I've ever built for myself!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. April 2012 @ 11:07 |
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4. April 2012 @ 11:18 |
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4. April 2012 @ 11:19 |
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Thanks Sam, that includes all the lights I have going on yeah?
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4. April 2012 @ 11:25 |
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Lighting makes a fairly negligible difference to the load, even CCFLs don't add much.
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4. April 2012 @ 13:54 |
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I decided to up my six core to 3.7GHz. I just changed the Multiplier, without increasing the voltage. I ran IBT on it, 10 pass and it ran solid. It turned out balking, running DVDRB/CCE, and BSOD'd at about 82% done, so I upped the voltage to 1.34v, and now it's stable, even running DVDRB/CCE.
The memory is a hair over stock settings at 1342MHz, with the HT Link set to 2600 and the Northbridge frequency set to 2600 for an HT of 5200MHz.
Temps look real good, and hits a max of 52.5C fully stressed with IBT, and stays under 40C encoding. I'm happy with it!
Russ
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4. April 2012 @ 14:10 |
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I swear, this thread makes me itch. I'm itching to build a new system LOL! And the 1090t/1100t is the most tempting upgrade path. I don't dare sell my 965 though. It's an excellent secondary processor ;)
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4. April 2012 @ 15:11 |
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It just proves and shows you that Prime and other testing software just doesn't do the job as a good old intensive app. Way to go Russ nice job!
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4. April 2012 @ 15:25 |
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It was probably memory related errors. I had a similar problem with my ram, when trying to run XMP. I still haven't moved to slots 3 & 4 :S Rebuilder crashed, and another application that will remain nameless :p
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4. April 2012 @ 16:55 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It just proves and shows you that Prime and other testing software just doesn't do the job as a good old intensive app. Way to go Russ nice job!
Steve,
It sure runs sweet!
Russ
Originally posted by omegaman7:
I swear, this thread makes me itch. I'm itching to build a new system LOL! And the 1090t/1100t is the most tempting upgrade path. I don't dare sell my 965 though. It's an excellent secondary processor ;)
Oman7,
If you already have some DDR3, get a GigaByte 990XA-UD3 or better. With your Phenom II 965BE, it will be like a new build to you. You can also get Cas 7 DDR3 1600 memory with timings of 7-8-8-24 that's supported natively by the 990X motherboards, so no having to play with the buss speed. I would have gone that root myself, but the 1333MHz DDR3 Cas 7 7-7-7-21 was half the price. I don't think it was the ram, because bumping the CPU voltage to the next setting up cured the problem.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128510
I can't find any programs like Sandra that want to work with Win7 64 bit, since my old Sandra no longer works on my machine. I downloaded the latest Sisoft Sandra Trial, and it crashes during the CPU arithmetic test. It just freezes the computer, even at stock speed. My old Business Sandra worked fine when I first installed it, but not anymore. I like IBT for stress testing because it moves the CPU load up and down slowly. It takes all six cores up to over 40C, with the CPU temp at 52.5C. If it completes 3DMark testing, I'll leave it alone!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. April 2012 @ 17:01 |
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Yah, I would like an AM3+ board. If only for the new revision, and better support of AM3. I'm fairly certain that I'll want piledriver when it releases.
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4. April 2012 @ 17:09 |
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If AMD can make a Phenom II-esque comeback for Bulldozer I'll be all over it. Bulldozer showed a LOT of potential but they need to go back to basics, ie heat and power. When it doesn't double my PC's energy consumption and is actually practical to cool, I'll be very interested. If they hadn't been such hogs, I would probably already have one...
BTW guys I find IBT at the highest setting possible is great for CPU testing. Variable levels of load would seem essential to find instabilities.
Likewise Unigine Heaven 3.0 is an amazing video stress test. Pushes much higher video card temps than any game I currently play, for some reason or another. Will easily crash a video overclock that played games fine for hours. Also has the built-in failsafe of doing a CTD instead of a bluescreen when video instability occurs(none of my other benchmarks or apps do this). Of course this isn't infallible, crashes do occur, but is very convenient for fine-tuning my clocks without a reboot every 5 minutes.
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4. April 2012 @ 17:24 |
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I would have found a way to purchase AM3+ and Bulldozer around tax time, if it weren't for the power consumption reports I was seeing. Very disappointing. The power demand would make me nervous for the mainboard when overclocking. Heck, I probably won't even push the 1090t too hard. I just want more cores LOL! I think 3.8 - 4.0 will be a good sweet spot.
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4. April 2012 @ 23:41 |
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I think you'd be fine but definitely more consumption means more heat and if you push it you would have to deal with the extra heat somehow. I have Russ's board so I should up the CPU on it and play like he did. I have high end RAM so I would only need to up the CPU plus I have a good heat sink too.
My next purchase though will be a Garmin G6 or the SkyCaddy SGX GPS for golfing but after that I may have to pull the trigger on a new CPU thanks to Russ. :)
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5. April 2012 @ 01:41 |
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A Bulldozer might be more heat than you think. The wattage increase when overclocking is enormous. If you plan to stay stock it's actually quite the opposite, they're not much worse than an Intel. But they do get very hot when OCing.
Again, give me a Phenom II-ish remake and I'll be a happy camper. Phenom I was easily as bad as this. If they can put it squarely in i5/i7 territory per-core(heck, even close to a 45nm Core 2 Quad would be nice), then it should be a fantastic product. Again, the potential is there.
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5. April 2012 @ 01:52 |
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I suspect Piledriver will more than please people. A 5% increase would be a joke. Surely it will be closer to the 20 - 30% mark that Wiki is projecting. Taming the power requirement will hopefully be a similar improvement ;)
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5. April 2012 @ 01:58 |
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That's usually what it roughly works out to. About equal power consumption and speed improvements. IvyBridge should also be about 30% faster and less power hungry so AMD will have their work cut out for them. If they can at least produce something that is a respectable improvement over Phenom II, reasonable wattage and resonable price, I will be buying one. I understand that SandyBridge is currently hand over fist above Bulldozer right now, but the two companies have been back and forth several times. AMD held the lead for a very long time. They need every bit of support they can get if they want that lead back.
Also, they tend to stretch the use of platforms better lately. Intel have released i7 on how many different sockets? AMD has proven easier for me to upgrade and play around with. The basic structure hasn't changed. Maybe that's an issue for AMD to consider. Keeping platform commonality and value while improving architecture. Remember Phenom II is still distantly based on Clawhammer/Athlon 64 architecture. Bulldozer is an entirely new approach and it's going to take them time to get it on its feet.
BTW Intel has 14nm transistors in testing.
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We need to keep going and you can trust me that in our labs we actually have the next generation after 22nm running, so we need to keep going.[...]I cannot really disclose more about that other than that in a laboratory-environment, absolutely we do have the path, our engineers do have the path to actually go and produce 14nm products. There are many variables that you can play with of course it is not the right name for it and the engineers would not like it when I say play, that you can influence to actually go and stay to that model. And I think the breakthrough we had now with the 3D metal gates, just the design of the gate will actually allow for much more efficient thermals and power.
Back in July, we looked even further ahead and reported that Intel aims to have 10 nm-based processors by 2018 and that the 14 nm tech is due for release around 2014. Watch this space.
We haven't hit the limit yet. There are so many ways to tweak everything. I suspect AMD has similar improvements in the works.
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5. April 2012 @ 02:37 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I can't find any programs like Sandra that want to work with Win7 64 bit, since my old Sandra no longer works on my machine. I downloaded the latest Sisoft Sandra Trial, and it crashes during the CPU arithmetic test. It just freezes the computer, even at stock speed. My old Business Sandra worked fine when I first installed it, but not anymore. I like IBT for stress testing because it moves the CPU load up and down slowly. It takes all six cores up to over 40C, with the CPU temp at 52.5C. If it completes 3DMark testing, I'll leave it alone!
Best Regards,
Russ
Same here, at first I thought it indicative of an unstable overclock, until it did it at stock. I ran sandra on windows 7 x64 before, so it presumably must be a version change that did it.
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9. April 2012 @ 07:37 |
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Hey guys I'm not up to date on burners but I figured it's high time for an upgrade so I can enjoy my small collection of Blu-Rays without the PS3(amazing machine for some stuff) and also for the inevitable occurrence of PC games on Blu Ray.
Is this any good? Newegg sent me a promo code for it for $10 off and it's currently the cheapest one available. Anything on an optical drive I should be wary of or are they pretty much black and white as far as quality? I'm not looking for thousands of flawless burns, in fact my current DVD-RW has seen zero use this year so far.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106369
Also in the process of attempting to sell my 6850s. It's about time I got a 2GB+ video card. Maybe one now and one later, possibly one very expensive one. Am looking at a few different models, but am sort of split on what presents best bang for buck. Everything seems relatively expensive this generation vs my 6850s for $200 each on release and my 4870s for $300 each on release(bought both sets literally less than a month after release). A 7970 is about $550. Damn that is a lot.
Also, if I don't get something higher performance than a single 6970, I might as well stay with these cards.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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9. April 2012 @ 08:00 |
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I'm sure you'll probably see the same with other drives, but there are a lot of people complaining about failed tray mechanisms with that drive. Coasters you can't often judge whether it's the drive at fault, but hanging POST and tray not ejecting, you can. Just a brief heads up.
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