Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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As said, I'm not sure 3-way SLI can be done with GTX550 Tis, as usually they only have a single SLI connector.
Also be advised that you start to see further diminishing returns with three GPUs, as it's often not as well supported as two.
Realistically, the next stage up from two cards is two better cards. In the majority of cases you should really be towards the top of the graphics card chain before even considering two (e.g. GTX670 sort of level), else a single card will do the job better.

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I was looking at the GTX660 and wasn't looking to see if there was a second SLi connector I'll have to re-look at that but I may still go 7750/70's, 7850/70's, or if I want to really jump off the cliff 7950/70's. I've also thought about going fan-less and having four lesser stream cards 1GB cards.

Good point Sam...

Russ, Again I'm off on the Gigabyte as I can do 4 or 5 video cards with it and only 3 with the ASRock, 4 with the MSI. If I do go with the Gigabyte I will get the UD7 instead of the UD3 or UD5. I still will probably go with the RAIDMAX 700w modular as it is 80plus supply and less $30 in price over the OCZ.

With my severe back pain and lack of sleep working OT on the night shift I'm having problems focusing on the tasks at hand sometimes so forgive me if I get things screwed up for the next couple of weeks. I'm going for shots this morning and hopefully I'll start getting some sleep next week. So again forgive me if I'm a bit off, at least more so then normal.... LOL

Stevo

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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The Piledriver (AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core 4.0GHz native) from what I've read is suppose to be much better, if you wish to believe that. That is what I'm buying for my new build so time will tell. Of course I'll be running it on a new motherboard which will be faster as well so it will be tough to make direct comparisons, accurate, unless I compare on the same board setups. It will be nice to see truly how much faster the newly tweaked Piledrivers really are? I'd be surprised if it was by a huge amount on a single core comparison, at best my guess would be below 10-15%, more likely 5-10% probably. They've supposedly streamlined the memory controller on the new processors increasing performance dramatically, supposedly?

Glad to hear you figured out your problem Russ, what a bugger....

Stevo

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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:

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Russ now you can go back to bed a get some more sleep huh lol

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies: The Piledriver (AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core 4.0GHz native) from what I've read is suppose to be much better, if you wish to believe that. That is what I'm buying for my new build so time will tell. Of course I'll be running it on a new motherboard which will be faster as well so it will be tough to make direct comparisons, accurate, unless I compare on the same board setups. It will be nice to see truly how much faster the newly tweaked Piledrivers really are? I'd be surprised if it was by a huge amount on a single core comparison, at best my guess would be below 10-15%, more likely 5-10% probably. They've supposedly streamlined the memory controller on the new processors increasing performance dramatically, supposedly?

Glad to hear you figured out your problem Russ, what a bugger....

Stevo

Stevo,

The 1090t is in the 990XA-UD3, The FX-8320 is in the 990FXA-UD5. I have one of the newly tweaked, second generation Piledrivers. It was produced in November, and one of the first out the door, at least that's what the card that came with it said. What I see the problem to be with the Visheras is, diminishing returns start early in the OC with the Visheras. What I mean is the percentage of increase starts declining fairly quick, at about 3.7GHz with the 8320. At 4.0GHz. With the 1090t from 3.9 to 4.0GHz. Heat in the C/M RC-534+ was 1 to 2C over stock, so heat was a non issue. That was in the 790X motherboard. It took 1.424v to hit 4.0GHz in it. In the 990XFA-UD3, it's 1.296v, idling at 28 to 30C at 4.3GHz, it's 29 to 31C. The FX-8350 is good for about 4.5 to 4.6 GHz, but needs serious water cooling to go higher, has been my findings

I installed the new Arctic Cooling 120mm 600 to 1350 rpm, max 74 cfm to replace the noisy Corsair fan on the H60, which is supposed to be 1700 rpm, but spins as high as 1900 rpm. It's PWM too, and almost silent! Highly recommended.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186078

I've got the UD5, mostly assembled, but I need to route the modular wiring, the sata cables and the H60, and then I can fire it up. Saturday night probably. I'm going to rest tomorrow.

Best Regards,
Russ

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies: The Piledriver (AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core 4.0GHz native) from what I've read is suppose to be much better, if you wish to believe that. That is what I'm buying for my new build so time will tell. Of course I'll be running it on a new motherboard which will be faster as well so it will be tough to make direct comparisons, accurate, unless I compare on the same board setups. It will be nice to see truly how much faster the newly tweaked Piledrivers really are? I'd be surprised if it was by a huge amount on a single core comparison, at best my guess would be below 10-15%, more likely 5-10% probably. They've supposedly streamlined the memory controller on the new processors increasing performance dramatically, supposedly?

Glad to hear you figured out your problem Russ, what a bugger....

Stevo

Stevo,

The 1090t is in the 990XA-UD3, The FX-8320 is in the 990FXA-UD5. I have one of the newly tweaked, second generation Piledrivers. It was produced in November, and one of the first out the door, at least that's what the card that came with it said. What I see the problem to be with the Visheras is, diminishing returns start early in the OC with the Visheras. What I mean is the percentage of increase starts declining fairly quick, at about 3.7GHz with the 8320. At 4.0GHz. With the 1090t from 3.9 to 4.0GHz. Heat in the C/M RC-534+ was 1 to 2C over stock, so heat was a non issue. That was in the 790X motherboard. It took 1.424v to hit 4.0GHz in it. In the 990XFA-UD3, it's 1.296v, idling at 28 to 30C at 4.3GHz, it's 29 to 31C. The FX-8350 is good for about 4.5 to 4.6 GHz, but needs serious water cooling to go higher, has been my findings

I installed the new Arctic Cooling 120mm 600 to 1350 rpm, max 74 cfm to replace the noisy Corsair fan on the H60, which is supposed to be 1700 rpm, but spins as high as 1900 rpm. It's PWM too, and almost silent! Highly recommended.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186078

I've got the UD5, mostly assembled, but I need to route the modular wiring, the sata cables and the H60, and then I can fire it up. Saturday night probably. I'm going to rest tomorrow.

Best Regards,
Russ

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I wasn't aware that they were upgrading the older processors to the newer Piledriver architecture but it makes sense that they would considering that they typically use one basic mask/die and tweak them accordingly for the different tiers of processors. AMD's biggest problem is the their memory controller so even with the refined new structure I'm not surprised you still have issues performing a higher clock level, it's always the weakest link that keeps you down, and that is an important one.

That is good to know and sounds like I should be able to hit mid 4's without water cooling and possibly 5GHz or close to it with.

I was looking at Corsair for water cooling but they didn't give me a warm fuzzy when looking at them, sounds like my feeling was correct. These are the fans on my list;

ARCTIC F14 PWM Case Fan $18~
AeroCool Shark 140mm Black Edition 140mm Case cooler $18
AeroCool Shark 140mm Red, Red LED Case Fan $19
LOGISYS Computer SF140 140mm Case Fan $11
Rosewill ROCF-11003 Hyperborea 140mm Case Fan $13

They've increased the 140mm fan selection since I searched for them last and there seems to be a decent selection now a days.

Here are cpu fans on my list:
COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler $48
Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 140mm and 120mm SSO CPU Cooler $90

And these two are for my MicroATX Desktop case HTPC build:
Noctua NH-L9a 92mm SSO2 CPU Cooler $50
SILVERSTONE NT06-E 1 x 120mm fan (optional) CPU Cooler $47+3=$50

Also I'm leaning towards the UD7 now and probably will go that route given money isn't an issue when I pull the trigger.

Sleep is a good thing trust me on that....

Take care Russ,
Stevo

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I didn't say you were having problems persay with OC'n I was responding to the points where OC'n became an issue for you between air-cooled and water-cooled, then from that tried to draw conclusions, hypothetical of course, for what I might be able to do with the new 8 core. If that was wrong I'm sorry...

The Corsair is too noisy for my blood and I will go with a quieter version of it offered by Thermaltake and yes I can mount to the top or rear of my case in which I would mount to the top probably. The advantage of mounting to the back would be that the radiator would be outside of the case and if for some reason there was a leak if would be removed the electrical system. In fact I could install a drip plate as well which could be done internal mount or external for that matter.

Here is may solution:
Thermaltake CLW0217 Water 2.0 Extreme/All-In-One Liquid Cooling System $110
This solution is much quieter although it lacks by approximately 10cfm from the Corsair which I can live with given the much greater noise generated. And a bonus to my solution is that you can control it by provided software, a big bonus I think.

Although your memory solution is definitely a good one it doesn't meat my requirement of 32GB's of RAM so I would need 8GB modules instead of four.

I've been looking at fanless video cards thinking that multiple cards could make up for the lack of steams/cores in those cheaper cards but none of the ones I've found are SLi or Crossfire solutions so I guess that path gets chaired for now.

Keep up the good input Russ & thanks,
Stevo :D

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I didn't say you were having problems persay with OC'n I was responding to the points where OC'n became an issue for you between air-cooled and water-cooled, then from that tried to draw conclusions, hypothetical of course, for what I might be able to do with the new 8 core. If that was wrong I'm sorry...

The Corsair is too noisy for my blood and I will go with a quieter version of it offered by Thermaltake and yes I can mount to the top or rear of my case in which I would mount to the top probably. The advantage of mounting to the back would be that the radiator would be outside of the case and if for some reason there was a leak if would be removed the electrical system. In fact I could install a drip plate as well which could be done internal mount or external for that matter.

Here is may solution:
Thermaltake CLW0217 Water 2.0 Extreme/All-In-One Liquid Cooling System $110
This solution is much quieter although it lacks by approximately 10cfm from the Corsair which I can live with given the much greater noise generated. And a bonus to my solution is that you can control it by provided software, a big bonus I think.

Although your memory solution is definitely a good one it doesn't meat my requirement of 32GB's of RAM so I would need 8GB modules instead of four.

I've been looking at fanless video cards thinking that multiple cards could make up for the lack of steams/cores in those cheaper cards but none of the ones I've found are SLi or Crossfire solutions so I guess that path gets chaired for now.

Keep up the good input Russ & thanks,
Stevo :D

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by sammorris,
Just an FYI Stevo, Thermaltake measure their noise levels at around 5m rather than the 1m standard, so if you determined it was quieter by the decibel rating then you may end up getting a louder product.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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You can add your SSD drive to the system and then point to it in Environment Variables just like you do in XP. You will need to change the User variables for Russ lets say but also make the change in the System variables too.

There are several ways to get to Environment Variables but probably the easiest using the GUI is open up Control Panel/System/Advanced Settings/System Properties/Advanced (tab)/Environment Variables... (button). In this same area you can also change your Page File location under Performance/Settings (button).

However for Internet cache you will need open Control Panel/Internet Options/Internet Properties/General (tab)/Browser History/Settings... (button)/Temporary Internet Files and History Settings/Move folder... (button).

This should cover most of the cache-able files for your system if I've missed something let me know.

I too am pretty good about weeding out the BS on customer feed backs and I think you're right that OCZ SSD's tend to have quality control issues, not all of the negative feed back was by morons like you stated.

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Russ, I was agreeing with you that not all of the feedback, negative, was by morons. Not that all morons gave negative feedback. I can see were that was confusing but again it wasn't my intent the way you took it.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Russ, Scythe USA have gone bust. However, they traded as a separate entity from the USA corporation. The main corporation in Japan however, continues to trade and manufacture products, so I'm unsure how this will affect Europe. As of now, plenty of Scythe stuff still in stock where I shop. Scythe claim they'll have another US outfit set up in the future, so the US not being able to buy Scythe products probably won't be permanent. Must be annoying though.

The Thermaltake fan I could live with the noise, as it was cheap (£3), but for the fact it failed altogether after a few months, becoming a short circuit (pretty nasty really, but I discovered it as at the time I was using an external AA-powered PSU for it, trashed a set of batteries, but oh well!).
If anything I more lament buying three Silverstone FM121s on your recommendation. Don't think for a minute I hold it against you or want anything off you, but nonetheless, a £35 expenditure versus the £3 of the Thermaltake netted me three fans that were powerful for their noise output, but very difficult to work with, and in the end one actually caught fire when being powered by a standard Rheobus controller. The second lost a blade when the loosely dangling separate rpm connector made contact at the full 2400rpm. The third is still about but since going with Slipstreams there's just been no need for it.
Not the only money I wasted on fans actually, I had some 120mm Noctuas which had a horrible 550Hz bearing noise which I couldn't tolerate. The best fans I've had have got to be the Scythe S-Flexes, they've lasted over 5 years and none have even the slightest hint of bearing noise, unlike any of my other fans. The slipstreams are nice, but the bearings aren't perfect at low speed, and one of the 6 had to be replaced fairly early on.

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