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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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5. January 2013 @ 06:01 |
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Originally posted by DXR88: Originally posted by sammorris: you'll never get even close to the performance offered by the i5 in anything but a very small selection (<10) of titles.
that's a load of crock, good sells pitch though.
It's entirely true. The question is whether it actually matters, which is what I was getting at in my previous post. The fact that the Intel CPUs outperform the AMD CPUs in games the vast majority of the time is not questioned, what is, however, questioned is whether it's enough of a difference to actually notice in the real world. In a not insignificant number of cases it is, but it's far from every title.
Not responding to the graphics comment, it's blatant fanboyism, nothing more.
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5. January 2013 @ 11:43 |
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Well, the GPU brand is AMD because my friend does all sorts of work with different open source projects and Nvidia has had a horrible track record with drivers and support of other OS than windows, and not a great reputation with windows.
He chose the i7 3770k for CPU with this Gigabyte z77 chipset board
Two things I am still looking into, SSD and GPU
SSD he only wants a small boot device, no storage so our baseline is this Intel 330 series 60GB Any better ideas for <$100?
GPU, he doesnt want the top tier because doesnt wanna spend $300-400 so we settled on this 7850 and realistically, he will be doing most his gaming on a 42" 1080p TV, streaming console games, not going crazy on PC titles. We settled on this card for price point, i can talk him into spending a bit more on this if a reasonable argument can be given (small bump <$100 in cost for more powerful card). If there are better AMD cards to be had for around that price let me know.
He gave me cash to order things but I am waiting to hear about any issues with our choices before i do. Its been a long time since i had this much paper money in my hand staring at me, please help before i do something crazy with it...
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5. January 2013 @ 11:46 |
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Nvidia's track record with Linux has actually been better than AMD's historically, but as of the present day, I think you may be right, AMD may be pulling ahead at least in certain areas - our linux-based thin client OS we deploy to convert old machines at work has proven far more successful on AMDs than on nvidias.
If all you need is a basic small SSD, that's pretty much the ideal choice, I have no qualms with that. An HD7850 is fairly potent for 1920x1080, I run the HD7770 in my LAN PC at 1920x1080 and it can play modern stuff fairly well. Not 60fps on max settings of course, but still well enough, so an HD7850 would definitely be alright, if he's not playing top titles at max detail.
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5. January 2013 @ 11:55 |
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If the want or need to XFIRE the 7850 arises in the future, would an issue be the fact the mobo's PCIE 3.0 x 16 slots are at 16x, 8x, and 4x instead of having at least 2 16x slots?
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5. January 2013 @ 11:58 |
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No, it takes a LOT for 8x link speed to become an issue. A lot more than two HD7850s, I can assure you :)
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5. January 2013 @ 14:22 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: Originally posted by DXR88: Originally posted by sammorris: you'll never get even close to the performance offered by the i5 in anything but a very small selection (<10) of titles.
that's a load of crock, good sells pitch though.
Not responding to the graphics comment, it's blatant fanboyism, nothing more.
AMD couldn't program a proper Driver Set if there existence depended on it. Nvidia still outperforms even if that performance gain is strictly software. while yes it did come off as bit fan boyish, you've not got much room to talk.
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5. January 2013 @ 14:29 |
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No argument about AMD drivers being awful, but nvidia's are hardly excellent either. Still, this isn't really a performance issue, this is a stability/testing issue - the problems with AMD drivers are things like the corrupt cursor bug, catalyst control center not opening, and powerplay issues, and likewise the bugs with nvidia's drivers tend to be things like thermal control and game crashes. The reason performance occasionally varies wildly in nvidia's favour is through effectively bribing developers and other underhand business practices, so it's not something I want to give them credit for.
This is pretty much where my negativity surrounding nvidia comes from - that and the fact they charge people a premium for the advantages listed above, yet produce substandard hardware, and pocket the difference.
The cards themselves are (Geforce FX and GTX400 series excluding) largely well designed products, even if they don't have a particularly long shelf life, but the corporate attitude of nvidia stinks to high heaven, even making Intel look like good guys.
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5. January 2013 @ 15:06 |
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I agree on that. Nvidia have been playing corporate bully for years and abusing their clout within the industry to create artificial advantages. Decent product design aside, they're the jerks of the PC world.
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5. January 2013 @ 15:27 |
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Bully, Corporate Attitude, Under handed tactics, none of that matters. Nvidia still has the advantage they still squeeze out more frames a second than the competition for a gamer thats all that matters.
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5. January 2013 @ 15:49 |
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In some cases. That's certainly not a generally accepted rule...
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5. January 2013 @ 16:25 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: Originally posted by DXR88: Originally posted by sammorris: you'll never get even close to the performance offered by the i5 in anything but a very small selection (<10) of titles.
that's a load of crock, good sells pitch though.
It's entirely true. The question is whether it actually matters, which is what I was getting at in my previous post. The fact that the Intel CPUs outperform the AMD CPUs in games the vast majority of the time is not questioned, what is, however, questioned is whether it's enough of a difference to actually notice in the real world. In a not insignificant number of cases it is, but it's far from every title.
Not responding to the graphics comment, it's blatant fanboyism, nothing more.
I have to agree with you DRX88 and the fact that he mentions real world difference is the proof in the pudding. :D
But I disagree on your Nvidia smoking theory, I'd say they are both pretty close in performance, AMD/NVIDIA. In 2007 NVidia was the way to go still but these days AMD/ATI is pretty darn good.
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5. January 2013 @ 16:28 |
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What matters is the competition itself. If Nvidia use underhanded tactics to give themselves the advantage, that not competition. That's cheating. Without competition the market grows stale. So no, Nvidia's business practices are not good for gamers or end consumers in any way, shape, or form. A technically inferior product dominating the market due to cheating tactics is not competition.
People bash Microsoft every day for the same reasons. I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that Nvidia do the same thing.
I'm not suddenly some sort of AMD fanboy anymore than I was before. I still have my 8800GTS G92 and it still sees gaming almost daily. Fantastic card. But you HAVE to admit that Nvidia creates artificial bias in a LARGE amount of games.
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5. January 2013 @ 16:58 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis: What matters is the competition itself. If Nvidia use underhanded tactics to give themselves the advantage, that not competition. That's cheating. Without competition the market grows stale. So no, Nvidia's business practices are not good for gamers or end consumers in any way, shape, or form. A technically inferior product dominating the market due to cheating tactics is not competition.
People bash Microsoft every day for the same reasons. I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that Nvidia do the same thing.
I'm not suddenly some sort of AMD fanboy anymore than I was before. I still have my 8800GTS G92 and it still sees gaming almost daily. Fantastic card. But you HAVE to admit that Nvidia creates artificial bias in a LARGE amount of games.
UPDATE:
X6 1090T ordered for ~$180 from a reputable seller on Amazon Stores yesterday. Free rush shipping. Should be here Monday or Tuesday :)
Both CPU manufactures do the exact same thing it is the typical business model these days for almost all markets just like price fixing is the rule not the exception.
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5. January 2013 @ 17:43 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis: What matters is the competition itself. If Nvidia use underhanded tactics to give themselves the advantage, that not competition. That's cheating. Without competition the market grows stale. So no, Nvidia's business practices are not good for gamers or end consumers in any way, shape, or form. A technically inferior product dominating the market due to cheating tactics is not competition.
People bash Microsoft every day for the same reasons. I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that Nvidia do the same thing.
I'm not suddenly some sort of AMD fanboy anymore than I was before. I still have my 8800GTS G92 and it still sees gaming almost daily. Fantastic card. But you HAVE to admit that Nvidia creates artificial bias in a LARGE amount of games.
UPDATE:
X6 1090T ordered for ~$180 from a reputable seller on Amazon Stores yesterday. Free rush shipping. Should be here Monday or Tuesday :)
Estuansis,
Check your PMs. There's a present for you there that should help you when you start to overclock the 1090T.
Best,
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6. January 2013 @ 01:36 |
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Originally posted by Russ: Miniature air turbines for dental handpieces (Hi Speed Drills). Basically, I take new designs and through metallurgy and design refinements, I get them to live at 450,000 rpm @35 psi. The whole thing consists of a spindle and chuck assembly, two miniature radial or angular ball bearings and an impeller, held in by two o-rings. A finished turbine cartridge is about 3/8" long and about the width of a cigarette.
Wow! Since I recently discovered I have 12 cavities, I'm going to be very friendly with high-speed dental drilling equipment for quite some time. Those rpms are crazy high.
Movies would know, and I could look it up, but I seem to recall that actual jet engine turbines crank in the 30,000-50,000 rpm range (congrats Stevo on your new monitor.)
Originally posted by Deadrum33: GPU, he doesnt want the top tier because doesnt wanna spend $300-400 so we settled on this 7850 and realistically, he will be doing most his gaming on a 42" 1080p TV, streaming console games, not going crazy on PC titles. We settled on this card for price point, i can talk him into spending a bit more on this if a reasonable argument can be given (small bump <$100 in cost for more powerful card). If there are better AMD cards to be had for around that price let me know.
Deadrum, I hear you, and you said less than $100 more, but, salesperson that I am, I am still going to push your buddy a bit and suggest my card, at $110 over what you proposed - and please notice that you pick up another gigabyte of vram.
Yeah, I know he wants to game at 1080p, but one day he might decide to try out gaming at 1600p, or 1440p, with a crazy PC title like Crysis, on ultra, and with this card he can do that. I ran all the way through all the the crysis titles with just one of these cards, 2560x1600, everything maxed, low 30 minimum smooth fps the entire time! (The card comes stock at 800 clock, but at 975 clock matches the +$100 7970, and with just a small amount fewer shaders, easily handles 4 mega-pixel 30" gaming - whereas the extra shaders on the 7970 probably come in handy on eye-finity, at 5-7 megapixel gaming. The 7950 can easily be overclocked to 975, 1350 memory, vddc 1087, using Trixx. That is rock stable for me. Recently I have pushed it to 1000 and 1025, at 1118 vddc, all 1350 memory, but it is slightly less stable - maybe a crash after 4 hours or so.) Blaze, who has appeared here on this thread from time to time, talked me into this model, 7950, and I tested several other brands against this HIS IceQ card. Amazon offers a nice warranty, and I can help make sure you stress the card during the initial 30 days to make sure you get a good one.
Here is a link to the original HIS IceQ newegg - it has the video they made which is excellent, and it has my review, lol.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161407
But newegg doesn't have that one - it has one clocked a little higher for $10 more - and even that is out of stock however amazon has the one I bought at $304 two left.
http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Mini-DiplayPo...ywords=his+iceq
I won't repeat my newegg review here, but I own two of these, and run them in crossfire. Your buddy may, someday, want to see what 27" or 30" gaming is all about. Stevo just jumped into the "high-res desktop club" to quote Sam, and others have entertained the idea - like Jeff and Kevin. Sam was the pioneer.
This Far Cry 3 picture might look nice - great reflections on water - lots of color, but until you see it close up, in 4 megapixels, or 3.6 megapixels in 1440p, you ain't seen nothing! And that extra 1 gigabyte of video ram makes all the difference in the world when you game at high-res with high-res textures.
Stevo and Jeff have been having an interesting discussion on mouse vs console, and I would imagine that Far Cry 3 PC version will allow console play, but one of the most fun things about this game doesn't have to do with shooting somebody with a mouse, but simply driving around the ultra textures high-res superb graphics world either on a quad or on a wave runner, not using the mouse at all.
More than a "who can I shoot" junkie, I am a "immerse myself in exquisite graphics" junkie, and running around this map at high res can only be described as a sublime experience.
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6. January 2013 @ 01:54 |
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Wow Rich. Far Cry 3 might get my brother into PC gaming. I should bring my tower over to his place next weekend, and we can project it at 720P. I guarantee he'd see it as better than his PS3. That image above may be downscaled, but you can see it has obvious detail. And given the extra settings that PCs have, I guarantee he'd be intrigued. His 1080P HTPC shouldn't be too difficult to upgrade. It'll have my 1090t in a few short months.
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6. January 2013 @ 06:27 |
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Those 7950's work sweet and FC3 looks fantastic. I hear nothing but good about FarCry3 from friends and customers, the graphics are great, and I understand the game-play is the best of the series.
WOW,
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7. January 2013 @ 11:21 |
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Harvardguy,
Originally posted by Russ: Miniature air turbines for dental handpieces (Hi Speed Drills). Basically, I take new designs and through metallurgy and design refinements, I get them to live at 450,000 rpm @35 psi. The whole thing consists of a spindle and chuck assembly, two miniature radial or angular ball bearings and an impeller, held in by two o-rings. A finished turbine cartridge is about 3/8" long and about the width of a cigarette.
Originally posted by harvardguy: Wow! Since I recently discovered I have 12 cavities, I'm going to be very friendly with high-speed dental drilling equipment for quite some time. Those rpms are crazy high.
Rich,
I'll give you some advice about getting those teeth drilled, if you are interested? If your teeth aren't hurting you, let him/her drill them without Novocaine! It's a little disconcerting for a few minutes, until you get used to it, but it's sure is nice to get out of the chair, go home and eat dinner, have a cup of coffee without wearing it, and not slobbering all over yourself for the next 3-4 hours or more, with no pain.
If you are in pain, but not in all 12 teeth, talk to him/her about not using Novocaine for the teeth that don't hurt, unless they are all on the same side. Take care of he painful ones first using it, and then the ones that don't hurt without it.
I'm guessing by my own experience that these cavities were discovered in a regular dental checkup, so My guess is that few teeth, if any are hurting.
Think about it,
Russ
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7. January 2013 @ 11:37 |
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Ha haven't had regular dental check-ups in a while. Recently got a root canal though and have another tooth with an exposed nerve that needs crowning. Have long since stopped drinking Mountain Dew... Oh well my insurance kicks in next week. AFAIK, I only have 2 cavities that need fixing. The one mentioned, and another, more minor one. Do try to brush and floss pretty consistently, but my teeth have very tight gaps.
After cavities I have a cap coming off a previously chipped tooth. Not concerned as the dental work is about 10 years old. The one that needs work is my #19 molar. Holds the shape of your face, main chewing tooth, holds the rest of your teeth in place. Big problems if I get it pulled. I need my insurance to cover the bad tooth, otherwise my dentist is pretty fairly priced.
I do try to forgo anesthesia if I can. Expensive, but necessary for some situations. My dad is insane though, never uses any for anything. Like "yeh whatever my back makes this seem pleasant in comparison" XD
X6 1090T gets here today or tomorrow :)
Asked the Amazon Stores guy I bought it from a little bit about it. He says previous owner had it at 3.8GHz at stock voltage and it was stable. Doesn't know anything more about it, only that it was a good chip when he stressed it at stock settings for testing. The stock voltage OC is good or bad depending on what stock voltage is. My friend's 1090T came with 1.425 stock so had limited OCing headroom. Would only do 3.9GHz at 1.45 and he didn't feel comfortable going to a higher voltage long term. I want more like 4.0-4.4 at 1.475 or under, which isn't unreasonable in the slightest on a decent chip.
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7. January 2013 @ 12:40 |
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Originally posted by DXR88: AMD couldn't program a proper Driver Set if there existence depended on it. Nvidia still outperforms even if that performance gain is strictly software. while yes it did come off as bit fan boyish, you've not got much room to talk.
My friend/client wanted AMD because of something he heard from some guy named Linus. This video (starts at 48:10) might help explain. Whether it was best or not, its the brand name and price he wanted.
@HARVARDGUY---I know you meant well and I appreciate the words, but this was what he wanted. In a year from now, when he wants to add another card and needs help, i get to inspect what he's done to my build, and have fun playing around with someone elses hardware.
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7. January 2013 @ 14:29 |
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Jeff, If you like far cry 3, you'll find that it utilizes the 1090t. Mine appeared to be running at an average of 80%(which is beyond a 4 core CPU. The GPU was running at nearly 100% most the time. Haven't played with the graphics settings in game. I've been running at default just checking the game out for now. It's pretty good. Not sure if I'll be buying it yet. If I find myself enjoying/testing for more than a week though, I'll deem it worth buying ;) Games aren't something I'm comfortable pirating. Or anything that deserves return for that matter. I wonder how the Xbox 360 controller would fair with the game? Hmm...
That video makes me want to opt out of Nvidia :S
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7. January 2013 @ 14:30 |
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Yeah Mr. Torvalds does not get on well with nvidia, and it's mostly due to the reasons me and Jeff were ranting about above. They're not a nice company to do business with, but because they usually give you money so you can not say bad things, it carries on.
I should note that one fairly reputable tech review website has a serious dislike for them - I can't remember which one it is off the top of my head, it might be TweakTown?
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7. January 2013 @ 14:44 |
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Omega, that certainly get me excited as FarCry 3 is one of the games I'd like to see better performance in.
As far as pirating goes... Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil :)
Sam, I have to agree with Linus Torvalds and many others' opinions. Nvidia are b*stards.
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Performance levels double-weighted for minimum frame rate:
AMD Athlon II X4 620 2600mhz: 21 per core, 83 total EQUIV@36 115
AMD Phenom II X2 550 3100mhz: 33 per core, 66 total EQUIV@36 77
AMD Phenom II X4 940 3000mhz: 25 per core, 101 total EQUIV@36 121
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200mhz: 26.5 per core, 106 total EQUIV@36 119
AMD Bulldozer FX-4100 3600mhz: 27.5 per core, 110 total EQUIV@36 110
AMD Bulldozer FX-6100 3300mhz: 19 per core, 115 total EQUIV@36 125
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 3333mhz: 20 per core, 118 total EQUIV@36 127
AMD Bulldozer FX-8150 3600mhz: 16 per core, 128 total EQUIV@36 128
Note that to attain a minimum of 40fps you would need the following equivalent frequencies:
Ivy Bridge HEX at 3.05Ghz
Sandy Bridge QUAD7 at 3.50Ghz
Sandy Bridge QUAD5 at 3.60Ghz
Nehalem QUAD7 at 3.40Ghz
Nehalem QUAD5 at 3.50Ghz
Bulldozer OCT at 3.80Ghz
Bulldozer HEX at 4.00Ghz
Bulldozer QUAD at 4.50Ghz
Phenom II HEX at 3.95Ghz
Phenom II QUAD at 4.15Ghz
How realistic the last two are I'm not sure. Bulldozer is good enough in this title to achieve roughly the same results as Phenom II per-thread, so Piledriver should be sitting slightly better. Diminishing returns from 4+ cores, but you do at least see about a 5-10% increase going from 4 to 6 cores on the same architecture with Phenom II.
For an average of 60fps:
Ivy Bridge HEX at 3.40Ghz
Sandy Bridge QUAD7 at 3.80Ghz
Sandy Bridge QUAD5 at 4.00Ghz
Nehalem QUAD7 at 4.00Ghz
Nehalem QUAD5 at 4.00Ghz
Bulldozer OCT at 4.20Ghz
Bulldozer HEX at 4.20Ghz
Bulldozer QUAD at 4.70Ghz
Phenom II HEX at 4.00Ghz
Phenom II QUAD at 4.40Ghz
Unfortunately the source data does not contain Ivy Bridge Quads or Piledriver CPUs.
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Originally posted by Estuansis: Omega, that certainly get me excited as FarCry 3 is one of the games I'd like to see better performance in.
As far as pirating goes... Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil :)
Sam, I have to agree with Linus Torvalds and many others' opinions. Nvidia are b*stards.
Estuansis,,
Let's try a little honesty here, OK? Both company's have had their bastard moments, and neither company will ever win an honesty award, or always have clean hands! That's just the way big business operates in this country. It won't be long before the government go's after Intel either, or is it a big surprise to anyone, that Intel is trying to force AMD out of business, which would be a bad thing for everyone. The US government will not allow that to happen. They'll break up the divisions at Intel Corp, first! Intel knows that, but will probably push AMD until the government steps in!
For the record, I have had far less problems with nVidia drivers than I had with Ati/AMD. I don't mind nVidia's updates, because it's rare that I've had any problems with their newest drivers. Very rare!
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Russ
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