Originally posted by omegaman7:

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Yah, I don't believe I'll be buying Piledriver, unless it's a great deal cheaper. But perhaps Steamroller may make up for the shortcomings? Time will tell ;)

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Anyway, my initial thought was that it's probably java related. I would disable any addons/plugins in your browser (IE used to have no-plugin executable in the start menu folder?) and make sure your java installation and plugin for your browser are up to date. See how you get on and (try) to let us know!

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Originally posted by Estuansis:

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Wow Russ, sure makes me feel good about the upcoming 1090T! What an amazing chip for such an old product line! It blows me away that they still manage to throw up numbers with the best Intel chips at times; particularly in gaming which I focus on above all else. Too bad Phenom II wasn't a year earlier. Also too bad that Bulldozer and Piledriver don't reflect the new IMC and other performance improvements made late in the Phenom II lifecycle. It's just so slow per core, that Phenom II manages to match it a lot of the time. Ordering my X6 next week BTW. Will be about $200. Wish me luck in getting a good one :)

My current 790X board can handle one(an OC'd X6) just fine, but I would rather have the better motherboard I'd been planning on. No complaints about this one of course, quite capable, but wouldn't mind the extra ability. This one is only upper mid-range at best, so has slightly limited options. As I understand it, Thuban requires a bit more tweaking than Deneb to OC. Luckily my board has 8+2 phase power design so technically is more than enough to sustain an OC. I won't be hurting if I don't change the board :)

Just an update: Very pleased with the new cooler. Much more capable than the CoolIt and less sensitive to ambient temp. I imagine the newer closed loop coolers like the H80, H100, H60, the dual fan CoolIts, etc can outperform it, but this certainly tops an H50 or Eco 120. I haven't had to question the decision to replace the Eco 120 at all. There is no margin of error, the Hyper 212 Evo is simply better. I know idle temps aren't overly important but I have gone from 33-35 idle to 29-32 idle, with more voltage than previously used. This difference is reflected, though not as drastically, at load. I daresay that makes it the better cooler without a doubt. I can see why the Hyper 212 series has been so popular. Worth noting that the 212 Evo is definitely better than its predecessors, the 212 and 212+. This is a direct pipe contact cooler BTW. Surprisingly good quality.

Also pleased with the PSU. Fan kicking in and out with temps is a minor distraction at times but it has so far been pretty quiet. Rock solid voltages and my stability issues have cleared up beautifully. 750W was maybe overkill, and I could have chosen a slightly lower wattage PSU and saved some cash. But gotta have insurance that it'll never be truly tasked, thus hopefully maximizing its reliability and lifespan. I don't like replacing broken parts.

Very happy with my latest acquisitions. No buyer's remorse at all for a change.

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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:

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ok i fixed it..did a few things updated java, debugged IE 8 and reset everything and updated..and removed a toolbar...i need to update this machine bad or reformat soon..but thanks for the help guys looks like you nailed it Ripper...beats buying a payware program to fix it which may or may not work

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The 1090t is a bit faster in single threaded apps, but my AutoCad software for miniature air turbines, can now handle up to 12 cores, so the FX-8320 becomes my choice. It does things in minutes now, that used to take hours to do before, and it shows much more information, as well. Plus, it makes my job easier, and is perfect for my uses.

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Originally posted by Estuansis:

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The 1090t is a bit faster in single threaded apps, but my AutoCad software for miniature air turbines, can now handle up to 12 cores, so the FX-8320 becomes my choice. It does things in minutes now, that used to take hours to do before, and it shows much more information, as well. Plus, it makes my job easier, and is perfect for my uses.

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Exactly why I have no problem with it at all. Simply not the type of performance I need. I basically need to get a decently binned X6 ie at least 4GHz for it to be a worthwhile upgrade. I'm counting on 2 extra cores, the better memory controller AND extra overclocking ability to give me a proper performance boost. Over 4GHz say 4.2-4.4 would be incredible.

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So do like me and get the Vishera FX-8350 4GHz native 8 core that can be pushed much higher. I've been thinking of the Intel x79's as I can run 64GB RAM or even up to 128GB RAM but the extra price for even the low end CPU on that rig adds well over $500 and AMD's Hudson's can handle more RAM but there are no great CPU's for that solution so it's either a 32GB RAM AM3+ or the Intel x79 with boog-goo RAM, which is what I'd like to have but don't know if I can afford it right now. So since I can use the extra cores and the AM3+ is much cheaper that is the route I'm probably going.

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Point is though Stevo, since the IPC isn't the same for Piledriver vs. Phenom II, even with 4ghz like for like, the X6 is going to be the faster CPU, by a fairly substantial margin.
The gap between the two architectures looks smaller than it really is due to the lower default clocks of the X6 - i.e. 3200/3400 for the 1090/1100, versus 3600/4000 for the 8150/8350.

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Originally posted by omegaman7:

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I definitely see some good gains in X264 compared to 1090t. The kind of gains that make it worth it? Depends on a persons needs I think. I generally run my encodes at night, while I'm sleeping. So very little advantage for myself. Though I do have jobs stacking up. If I had more money at present, I'd probably strongly consider it. Because AM3+ is a board I'm probably gonna need anyhow. I have a feeling Steamroller will be what the doctor ordered. 3rd times a charm! LOL! I guess we'll see though.

I could probably run twice as many jobs while I sleep. Gonna have to calculate that!

I'd like to buy an AM3+ board right now, but I'm not getting the hours I need at my secondary job. Perhaps my tax return will allow. But I desperately want a new camera. Not a cheapy either. And my cars tires are getting close to bald too. MAN I need more hours :(

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I have to say, I still think the Phenom II X6 1090T/1100T are about the best CPUs AMD has yet made. Piledriver has gone some way to make up for the shortcomings of Bulldozer, but hasn't quite finished the job - If you spend the vast majority of your processing power on truly multi-threaded applications, they're fantastic value for money, but even in raw total performance, the FX-8350 is not a significant amount better than the X6 1100T, for its two extra cores. There's no sign of any major leaps forward from Phenom II with performance per clock, however, which is really what AMD need to be competitive in all fields. My i5 3470 compares reasonably favourably to the FX-8320 in multi-threaded applications and costs only a little more, yet it does what the FX-8320 needs 125W and a northbridge to do, in just 77W and a self-contained unit, and for being only a quad core, offers me not far off double the performance per clock.

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Originally posted by Russ:

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The 1090t is a bit faster in single threaded apps, but my AutoCad software for miniature air turbines, can now handle up to 12 cores, so the FX-8320 becomes my choice. It does things in minutes now, that used to take hours to do before, and it shows much more information, as well. Plus, it makes my job easier, and is perfect for my uses.

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I know hard core gamers that still use AMD and one of them has the 8350 and decided not to OC it as it performs well for him stock. Now it does matter what games you play as some run much better on Intel but there is no reason you can't make AMD's work well for gaming and like mentioned they rock for multitasking. Now if I had games that performed better on Intel's I would stick with that as it is a no brainier unless you are talking thousands of dollars versus less than.

I game too but stay away from some of the hard core games just because I'm not using a mouse to game which seems to be popular these days. I prefer real devices like race wheels, joysticks, and gamepads, unfortunately most big games don't support such devices these days so I don't play them.

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And how many mice are used with game consoles, NONE! So why can't we still use the better controllers on PC games? It just doesn't make sense.

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It isn't a divider of hardcore to casual either I was hardcore gamer before you were born and did so up until someone decided mice controllers were the ONLY way to go. To me if that is what you like so be it, but why not keep the other controllers in the games too like they use to do. Drove me out of hardcore gaming unless you want to talk about consoles which I still enjoy.

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Originally posted by harvardguy:

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Originally posted by Russ:

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The 1090t is a bit faster in single threaded apps, but my AutoCad software for miniature air turbines, can now handle up to 12 cores, so the FX-8320 becomes my choice. It does things in minutes now, that used to take hours to do before, and it shows much more information, as well. Plus, it makes my job easier, and is perfect for my uses.

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Wow, Russ, your auto cad sounds very interesting - I have a family member who uses auto cad in construction and has had to get involved with much heftier computers to run it.

What are you doing with miniature air turbines - are you designing hobbiest jet airplanes? Sounds intriguing.

Rich

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