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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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15. March 2014 @ 07:38 |
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It's the sales pitch of 'movies & TV' that led to 16:9 being the resolution of choice. It's worse for people who need desktop productivity, but they're no longer the majority audience for PC monitors, so 16:9 is what you get, unless you want to pay a considerable premium.
When the resolution gets high enough, I don't actually mind any more. It is nice for video content to fit natively without black bars I suppose. Still, 1920 horizontal is not really high enough to ignore.
HDMI and DVI theoretically have no picture quality differential, but just beware that HDMI does not automatically fit the screen like DVI and may require overscan/underscan to be tweaked in the graphics driver, plus of course the fact that you need to ensure the monitor [and any infrastructure inbetween] supports the updated HDMI spec (Original HDMI was limited to 1920x1080, but that changed a few years back).
If you have the option of using either, DVI is clearly superior on principle, but if for whatever reason you're forced into using HDMI, there is usually a way to make it work if you tick all the boxes. Now at 3840x2160, that all changes :P - DVI is gone as unsupported, and HDMI is limited to 30Hz - you have to get involved with Displayport. Displayport is not very good, let me tell you...
In fairness, the inferface itself is not too bad, it's just poorly implemented. Still though, some fundamental design errors were made when developing it - e.g. a 'power-off' signal connector, to keep the PC informed of what your monitor's resolution is, even when the monitor is switched off. Without it, you can simply leave your monitor off for an hour, come back and find your desktop icons have all jumped into a tiny space in the top left, as for a while your PC assumed you were running 640x480, and that's the tip of the iceberg. Still, at 2560x1440, fortunately you don't have to deal with all this!
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15. March 2014 @ 11:32 |
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16:9 is a fine aspect ratio from my experience. Have been heavily considering a 27" monitor for quite a while. They are great. Would require a second video card though, so not a cheap proposition...
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15. March 2014 @ 16:22 |
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yeah i was thinking about getting a NVIDIA 460GTS Hawk but i really don't think i need it the NVIDIA GTX 8800 is doing me fine and will work great with the Asus PB278Q (Dual Link DVI), which i went ahead and ordered from Best Buy at 529.00 pretty sure i will be happy with it
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16. March 2014 @ 00:13 |
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16. March 2014 @ 00:56 |
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I'm surprised Afterdawn didn't have a news feed covering this :S
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16. March 2014 @ 06:03 |
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We did, but TF was the original article and I forgot to check here too.
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16. March 2014 @ 13:04 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
16:9 is a fine aspect ratio from my experience. Have been heavily considering a 27" monitor for quite a while. They are great. Would require a second video card though, so not a cheap proposition...
And this is exactly why we are stuck with this format as Sam states. I personally dislike 16:9 you loose way too much Real-Estate and I use that space. Even with the higher resolution I would prefer to have the 16:10 space and here is another thing to consider, when we were forced to 16:9 monitors price didn't go down but our display cost did from a flat panel stance considerably, it is costs much less to produce the same diagonal size.
So it's good you like getting screwed however I don't signing up to that stance.
@Ripper, that is sad to hear and is not good. Although I still buy and backup Blu-rays when I can't get something in that format I'm one of the few that still buys DVD's from time-to-time. Plus DVDFab was also a Blu-ray ripper too and that can only bleed over elsewhere.
I've answered a feed from here and been way behind too, many times...., it happens easily unfortunately.
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16. March 2014 @ 14:11 |
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Well even worse news followed a few days later as a couple of other Bluray ripping companies have pulled out of the market. Hopefully DVDFab will survive.
It'll be interesting to see if SlySoft are targeted next.
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16. March 2014 @ 15:20 |
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That's exactly what I'm worried about....
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16. March 2014 @ 18:46 |
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16. March 2014 @ 19:36 |
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It's less likely do to where they moved to early on when some of the starter rippers were getting nailed in the US over a decade ago. That's good to hear thanks Ripper...
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17. March 2014 @ 10:03 |
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From the experience of a gamer, 16:9 gives me MORE screen real estate more often than not. And the games that don't utilize it peroperly, can usually have their FOV adjusted to work properly anyway.
I will agree from a desktop standpoint, it gives you much less working room, and can feel kind of claustrophobic to use compared to a 16:10. As far as people being *forced* onto 16:9 though, I don't see it that way. There are tons of 16:10 monitors still available, both cheap and expensive. I personally chose a 16:9 as my secondary monitor for movie formatting, among other things. Doesn't stop me from using my 16:10 for ~90% of games and software.
As far as DVDFab goes, let's just say I have faith in the power of sharing :)
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17. March 2014 @ 16:44 |
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Jeff, 16:9 doesn't EVER give you more screen and that is a physical fact. Sure there can be display settings that need to be tweaked to get proper viewing but I haven't had problems with that except with really old games.
There are not tons of 16:10 monitors, like Sam stated, there more difficult to find and it will cost you more. They are normally business class monitors in that format and therefore the price goes up.
The power of sharing isn't going to save DVDFab, nice try but I don't get it. If they go away their software will not be supported anymore and I doubt that the source code will go public, although it could, I wouldn't bank on it.
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17. March 2014 @ 17:59 |
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Jeff, 16:9 doesn't EVER give you more screen and that is a physical fact. Sure there can be display settings that need to be tweaked to get proper viewing but I haven't had problems with that except with really old games.
It gives you a wider FoV in video games than 16:10 which is directly equivalent to a larger viewing area. And no, most games DO NOT use the correct FoV, they use a cut down 16:10 FoV instead of increasing the horizontal area.
http://www.wsgf.org/
This is a website and forum dedicated directly to correcting the FoVs in games. Everything from brand new to ancient can have an incorrect FoV. Ideally, your FoV at a given aspect ratio should work out to roughly 90 degrees, but a great many games settle for a much smaller 65-75 degrees. This is usually something done to better accommodate consoles and the farther viewing distance from the screen console gamers use.
A good example of this would be Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising and its sequel Red River. Both of them use about a 65 degree FoV, which can't be changed. This makes them increasingly claustrophobic and zoomed in the more you increase the aspect ratio.
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The power of sharing isn't going to save DVDFab, nice try but I don't get it. If they go away their software will not be supported anymore and I doubt that the source code will go public, although it could, I wouldn't bank on it.
Torrents. Better to have it out there and circulating than not at all.
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There are not tons of 16:10 monitors, like Sam stated, there more difficult to find and it will cost you more. They are normally business class monitors in that format and therefore the price goes up.
They've always been more expensive from the very beginning...
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17. March 2014 @ 19:20 |
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Jeff, You are just not getting it.
FOV the slang is only a POV, another slang, of those that are bothered by letterbox or those that change the aspect to fit their screen distorting the picture/video. Other than that it is a moot point and has nothing to do with having more real estate or not.
Again you come back with still finding the out dated program, DVDFab, on a website or torrent, and that won't fix the newer movies that you can't rip because the software can't remove the protection. You missed the point here too.
16:10's have always been more expensive, well that should be true because they cost more to make but again you missed the point! When 16:9's came out they were the SAME cost as 16:10's which means you get screwed buying a 16:9. Plus now you can't find 16:10's and when you do you pay MORE then you did before 16:9's were favored by you and others!
I'm crossing my finger here but I won't hold my breath.
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17. March 2014 @ 23:08 |
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Hi Guys, just hope like hell this doesn't affect slysoft products which I use, even the powerful slysoft which beat everything in time but not this cenavia crap which comes along and ruins your viewing on disc anyway which really sucks unless you have an older player, looks like these mpaa or whatever the hell they call themselves have gotten more sly than the old reliable slysoft, I to am keeping my fingers crossed, I love my movies.
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18. March 2014 @ 00:29 |
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I'll never have a problem with Cinavia :p $ony can continue to go out of business :D
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18. March 2014 @ 02:05 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I'll never have a problem with Cinavia :p $ony can continue to go out of business :D
Oh you will if you want to continuie watching burnt dvd's and you run into a newer player, and it's not just sony players doing it, sooner or later your players will break down and unless you can find good older players your gonna get hit with cinavia, but lets hope by than somebody might beat it, so far it's a no go.
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18. March 2014 @ 06:40 |
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Fred I think he's talking about Sony movies and/or PS3's which is what Cinavia effects mainly.
The problem with Slysoft is that if you are not connected with them through the Internet their software doesn't work. So unlike DVDFab if Slysoft can't talk to it's server you are screwed.
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18. March 2014 @ 11:40 |
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Oh please... There's always a way :) Disc to disc is simply the most convenient way(I'm sure that upsets them, since VHS required time). I could record netflix if I wanted to :p But my bandwidth causes less than desirable video quality.
On another note, its 60 degrees in my room right now. So my Northbridge and CPU are 80 and 64 degrees respectively :) Oddly, my WD1001FALS is pushing 93 :S It's the hottest temp. Might be time for a blow out! It's worth noting, that I have cool & quiet engaged. Our electric bill has been close to $300!
I have no need for new players. I'm an HTPC advocate. There are multiple software players that do not, nor will they ever support cinavia detection. Cinavia will never work, 100%.
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18. March 2014 @ 12:29 |
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my last hydro bill for 1 month was about $80 for about a 3200 square foot house. a friend's wife thinks i'm stealing the hydro which i'm not.
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18. March 2014 @ 18:12 |
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Is "hydro bill" Canadian for water bill? :D
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18. March 2014 @ 18:57 |
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ddp, That's funny.... Are you? :D
Hydro bill -> Water bill
Bathroom/Wash Room -> Water Closet
Hood -> Bonnet
Trunk -> Boot
Windshield -> Wind Screen.....
Kevin you can still get disc's from Netflix.
Maybe you should drop your room temp to 32F/(0C) and not use your lights?
Also Kev there isn't always a way. Try to backup a sports program from a HDMI source like DirecTV, Dish, or Comcast. Sure I can use a Camcorder and video the TV but talk about crappy. There are plenty of other examples too.
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18. March 2014 @ 19:04 |
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Ripper, it can be but not in this case as i get my electricity from innisfil hydro who gets it from ontario power generation.
Mr-Movies, not being funny. not our fault you guys drive on the wrong side of the road.
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18. March 2014 @ 19:06 |
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Actually, you just need to think outside the box. No offense, but mix/match technologies, and there's always a way :p Granted, one may lose quality in some circumstances. E.g. air to VHS to DVD. The only protection known to survive this, is an audio signal like Cinavia. And frankly, if I were to actually put some effort into it, I may discover the signal :p I just don't have the need. I don't have a PS3/PS4, so $ony isn't even worth my time.
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