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5. February 2014 @ 09:31 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
That looks like a great deal especially if you pay annually. I also like that they provide several different regional host sites and that DD-WRT is also supported. I'm planing on buying a second or third ASUS RT-AC66U/67U router and changing the firmware to DD-WRT for the better tunneling they provide and also to add an AP as well. If you can I would try the VPN service for a month before purchasing it for a year at a time. I haven't used these guys but have used others and found that the host servers would restrict me from some sites and even worst when they did work my bandwidth was severely crippled.
Using similar logic, i am a week into my 1 month trial. Aside from Google wanting me to re-certify my main terminal as "home" because it thinks my physical location moved a few states away, i see no changes. I havent seen any bandwidth throttling, but granted, i have basic Time Warner cable internet, not Fiber or anything so i'm not choking them. It takes a little longer for torrent speeds to max out, but i see the same max speeds as before my trial. Seems to have increased my UP speeds too which makes it easier for me to upload material to webserver. I too am going to purchase an extra router that has DD-WRT capabilities and setup OpenVPN before my trial is up. I have THIS!!! in my shopping cart, waiting to pull the trigger
EDIT___that router doesnt seem to have good support, will choose something else
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5. February 2014 @ 22:18 |
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It sounds like you have your finger on the pulse, good going! Netgear, ASUS, DLink, and Linksys/Cisco all have certain routers that can be flashed to open source, mainly their higher end stuff so you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding something and if you don't want to hassle with changing the firmware yourself there are a couple of sites that will sell you one already switched over.
Let us know how it goes and if the VPN is working well for you. I probably will try the link you provided to see how well it will work for me, thanks for the info...
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6. February 2014 @ 01:04 |
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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha...-review-15.html
I thought this and the following page to be a very interesting and revealing comparison. Add an overclocked Northbridge to Thuban's performance advantage and you have what I have. It does add a significant amount to the lead.
Recently had someone on Ocforums ask me why I chose to go Thuban vs a Vishera. I showed him these benchmarks, then asked him what his Vishera OC'd to. He say's about 4.5GHz is what it could do. I had a good laugh and kept tweaking my Thuban :)
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6. February 2014 @ 01:23 |
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Vishera would be wonderful for my daily needs :p Encoding via x264 deluxe xD I'm not sure about the price just yet though. I'm trying to stretch my tax return (which I don't have yet), as far as I can.
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Oh for sure Vishera has its advantages. Not knocking the CPU. Lord knows they're better than Zambezi in every way.
It's just that those particular tests show the kind of raw performance I care about in a CPU, and Vishera is not impressing me. Quite satisfied with my Thuban.
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6. February 2014 @ 03:16 |
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If I'm not mistaken, even Zambezi had potential in X264 over Thuban. But you're right, in that single thread performance can't be ignored ;) So a gamer would definitely be better off with Thuban. And in a couple weeks, I'll determine just how much green I have left to play with. Wattage will no longer be a factor, once I stop sucking on the power grid teet!
Pair of glasses, new motherboard, my generator, my dentist bill... I just might be able to afford Vishera easily :D
If memory serves, pass 1 with X264 was on par with Thuban, but pass 2 (really hit the cores) allowing Zambezi to handle more FPS.
Oh yeah... I need a 3DTV as well :S
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6. February 2014 @ 03:21 |
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Recently got a new pair of eyes as well. Rather expensive lenses this time as I got the anti-glare/anti scratch coating on polycarbonate lenses. Sick of my lenses getting scratched and gouged so easily. More stylish frames too :)
Dentist is coming up in March. Another root canal and crown await me, haha. Unfortunately I didn't take very good care of myself when I was young, and it's coming back to bite me. Just an example, I was 320lbs upon joining this site. Now comfortably hovering around 220 and fairly skinny. Too bad my teeth weren't as easy to repair. Years and years of Mountain Dew with very little brushing. Have since given up soda a long time ago, but can't get rid of the meth-mouth effect without dental work :(
Maybe embarrassing that my teeth are horrible, but I'm not all that bashful about myself. I am who I am. Most of them have been repaired at exuberant expense already anyway haha. One of many reasons I pinch pennies a bit with my hardware :P
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Yeah, thankfully my job has excellent dental coverage. Optical is so-so. I'll probably pay over $100 for a very good pair of scratch resist lenses. I once had a job that would have been half that price. But, UPS really does have some of the best medical coverage :) Can't wait to have lasik eye surgery!
I understand Jeff. Heck, I REALLY DID have Meth-mouth :S I'm not proud of it... At least I didn't take it too far. There are people that have ruined there lives over it.
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6. February 2014 @ 03:38 |
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My lenses were about $110 all said and done. Not the top-end model but not the cheap option either. I think the most expensive ones were ballistic plastic or something of that ilk. Frames were kinda pricy actually at around $90 but I got Steven Tyler frames :D
My place of work is currently getting jerked around by ACA regulations and can't really offer anything useful. Have tried looking on the private marketplace but those are also laughable. I was getting free state medical assistance which was very limited but excellent to have in the absence of real insurance. The ACA saw an end to that...
Flying by the seat of my pants for healthcare really. Got my Dad covered under medicare and my Mom has limited insurance from work, which I'm much more concerned about.
Also, welcome to the club of people who did stupid things. Glad you were able to escape that problem. Some of my friends haven't been so lucky :(
No judgement from here :)
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6. February 2014 @ 06:55 |
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I easily OC'd to 4.5G but could get it up to 5G and stable with the Vishera so I don't know what your friend was smoking but you can reach 5G. Heat was my only issue and it was the NB that caused me problems since my CPU was H2O'd, I now have some new cooling devices that I can try out to see if I can keep the heat down when pushing my 4G CPU however I think I'm just going to get the new Egg Cooker (220w) 4.7G and play with that. More cores and more power I'll stay with the Vishera's.
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I easily OC'd to 4.5G but could get it up to 5G and stable with the Vishera so I don't know what your friend was smoking but you can reach 5G.
Movies, chips can vary wildly, and cooling plays a significant factor for AMD chips. The large majority of OC'd Visheras I've seen are somewhere in the 4.4GHz-4.8GHz range. To go further beyond that usually takes some pretty high voltages and a beefy cooler, usually liquid. I don't doubt your chip can do it, but you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5v+ and beyond the cooling capacity of any available air cooler, which leads to my second point.
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Heat was my only issue and it was the NB that caused me problems since my CPU was H2O'd, I now have some new cooling devices that I can try out to see if I can keep the heat down when pushing my 4G CPU however I think I'm just going to get the new Egg Cooker (220w) 4.7G and play with that. More cores and more power I'll stay with the Vishera's.
My Thuban can do 4GHz easily under air with a mid-range cooler. To match a 4GHz Thuban clock for clock, you need roughly a 4.6GHz Vishera. To actually put that Vishera in the lead, you need ~5GHz with temps well beyond air cooling. It takes liquid cooling to do what my 1100T can do with air... Also, most Thubans are guaranteed to 4GHz with a solid air cooler, most Visheras are not guaranteed to 5GHz, even with liquid.
Also, check out that benchmark. 99.9% of what I do is single or quad threaded. In those situations, Vishera is not faster at all. In fact, it's much, much slower. The extra cores don't mean anything if they aren't being utilized. Also, as the benchmark shows, they're slower than Thuban's cores by a wide margin, so the extra two cores are sort of negated. Intel kinda proved that point a while ago... Not even considering it's actually a quad core with two partial modules per core.
I don't know what YOU'RE smoking, but most CPUs are not charmed golden clockers. The average OC on a Thuban makes for an equivalent or faster CPU than the average OC on a Vishera. Higher work units per cycle and more raw speed in nearly every aspect. And that's not even counting a Northbridge OC which gives much larger benefits for Thuban than it does for Vishera, further widening the gap when comparing the OC'd CPUs. I'll stay with my Thuban.
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6. February 2014 @ 09:37 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It sounds like you have your finger on the pulse, good going! Netgear, ASUS, DLink, and Linksys/Cisco all have certain routers that can be flashed to open source, mainly their higher end stuff so you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding something and if you don't want to hassle with changing the firmware yourself there are a couple of sites that will sell you one already switched over.
Let us know how it goes and if the VPN is working well for you. I probably will try the link you provided to see how well it will work for me, thanks for the info...
Steve
Decided on this model router http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320091 should have it in time to play this weekend unless another winter storm hits NW Ohio.
There were issues at first getting DD_WRT on it, but after looking through many different sources there seems to be a stable firmware/setup procedure in place since last May. Only common issue is getting the 5Ghz radio working, different people have different devices so you have to find the right channel that plays nice or else you might revert to 2.4Ghz wireless instead of full speed.
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6. February 2014 @ 19:58 |
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That's a good router, predecessor to the one I have. Both the Rosewill N900UBE and the ASUS USB-N53 are built on the same chipset and do not perform well from my testing but the ASUS WLAN is the better of the two. Even though they are made for my router the best WLAN USB adapter is the ASUS USB-AC53 but you need to set the Preferred Bandwidth to A for it to use both A and bgn. Using the N900's you need to be closer to the router to get both bands but they worked without tweaking the Properties, I won't buy another USB 900 NIC.
You'll really like the ASUS I just love mine but you could go with the Netgear too as it is just as good. I wanted to go with the Amped routers but they were lacking in features however they have big power for a stock router and I wouldn't need two routers to cover the area I need.
Last I looked they had both radio's working well so I don't think you'll have issues with that. Also always try to keep 3 bands away from anyone close to you and if you can't manage that then use the same band as the strongest signal closest to you, then you should have no problems.
Jeff, Heat is always an issue no matter if you have Intel, AMD, Motorola, or whatever. But I'm glad you like your processor that is what this is about, and that is good for sure. Actually you should go with an Intel as it would suite your purpose better even though it will cost you more, I don't mean this as a slam either I truly think you'd be better off for your needs, Sam would back this up I think too.
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6. February 2014 @ 20:48 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It sounds like you have your finger on the pulse, good going! Netgear, ASUS, DLink, and Linksys/Cisco all have certain routers that can be flashed to open source, mainly their higher end stuff so you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding something and if you don't want to hassle with changing the firmware yourself there are a couple of sites that will sell you one already switched over.
Let us know how it goes and if the VPN is working well for you. I probably will try the link you provided to see how well it will work for me, thanks for the info...
Steve
Decided on this model router http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320091 should have it in time to play this weekend unless another winter storm hits NW Ohio.
There were issues at first getting DD_WRT on it, but after looking through many different sources there seems to be a stable firmware/setup procedure in place since last May. Only common issue is getting the 5Ghz radio working, different people have different devices so you have to find the right channel that plays nice or else you might revert to 2.4Ghz wireless instead of full speed.
I purchased this Router, but have not installed it yet, due to I need a gigabit modem. And I am not sure which one to get..........Any suggestions?
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6. February 2014 @ 21:37 |
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6. February 2014 @ 21:57 |
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Jeff, Heat is always an issue no matter if you have Intel, AMD, Motorola, or whatever. But I'm glad you like your processor that is what this is about, and that is good for sure. Actually you should go with an Intel as it would suite your purpose better even though it will cost you more, I don't mean this as a slam either I truly think you'd be better off for your needs, Sam would back this up I think too.
Absolutely! Couldn't agree more. I wish my budget was more cooperative as I'd have already gone Sandy Bridge a while ago instead of getting the much cheaper 1090T. That being said, I would most certainly like some real personal time with a Vishera 8350 to see what I can do on my own. They are interesting chips, and just as tweakable and fun to use as other AMD chips. I highly prefer AMD's architecture and overclocking.
As far as heat goes, AMDs are actually MUCH more sensitive than Intel ever thought of being. You can run a new Haswell or Ivy Bridge chip right up to 80*C and it doesn't even flinch. Their thermal limit is 105*C or 95*C on some chips. AMD chips, on the other hand, are guaranteed to be completely unstable if they pass ~55-58*C while overvolted, and they are also somewhat warm running chips. AMD lists their danger limit at 62*C. I've seen them run hotter without much issue, but I wouldn't want to push it. Anything over 62*C is way too hot for them. The Hyper 212 Evo 120mm tower cooler was being overwhelmed long before the processor was reaching its max potential. There was a reason I went back to liquid. Never touched 50*C yet :)
Also, Kaveri shows tons and tons of promise. Have yet to find a straight comparison to Vishera, but early benchmarks are showing that it's a fantastically good chip and another solid mobile/desktop APU. I'd like to see a fully featured 8 core FX CPU built on the Kaveri cores. Now THAT I would buy in a heartbeat.
All in good fun! I know we both like to take light shots at eachother from time to time. I wouldn't even bother replying if I didn't think you were an alright guy :P
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I have this router. Not particularly advanced or expensive, but well-featured, quite fast to navigate the menus and perform maintenance tasks, and has good Wi-Fi range in my home with no dropping signal. Was a marked improvement over the previous one. Much less buggy. Also works fine for streaming HD from my filebox over wireless.
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Streaming high bitrate HD video through wireless. Internal network speed in general.
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7. February 2014 @ 03:32 |
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I can appreciate needing gigabit routers/modems. There's usually at least 2 computers on my network (3 right now). And transfer speeds are appalling, with any less.
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7. February 2014 @ 03:50 |
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A modem has nothing to do with internal network transfer speeds, routers do and he already has that. If the original poster has internet service that can choke a standard modem with 100+Mb speeds, my bet is that its delivered through fiber and we are talking about a different kind of setup altogether. Some modem/router combinations have gigabit ports, but that's the router half using them on the internal network, not download speed from ISP.
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Mine does :p Modem/router.
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Mine does :p Modem/router.
and I bet the router half (1000Mb) wishes that the modem half (probably <5Mb) could download faster and put it to good use. ;p
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7. February 2014 @ 04:28 |
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It's important to realise that router throughput speed is not the same as the switch speed in the router.
e.g. the maximum throughput of a Linksys WRT54GL is about 45Mbps despite being a 100Mbps port router. Likewise, most gigabit routers top out between 80Mbps and 350Mbps. You can't use consumer-grade equipment to route gigabit and get gigabit speeds out the other end, too much processing power is required.
The WRT54GL I had was perfectly stable and had custom firmware on it I've still not seen bettered (Tomato) but unfortunately once I upgraded from 40Mbps FTTC (38 in practice) to 80Mbps (65 in practice) it fell flat, and had to be upgraded.
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7. February 2014 @ 05:33 |
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Cant argue a thing you said Sam, but I can interject that you are still talking routing speeds, not modems. I guess we would all need to know what kind of internet service is being provided, I realize not everyone lives in slow USA, so speeds fast enough to warrant such a modem isn't out of the question. No one over over here really will give you those speeds through coaxial to need it though, such speeds come with T1 or fiber and that comes with different hardware requirements.
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