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4. March 2011 @ 15:32 |
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It's just me, i only like Win7 for it's prettyness, for actual use i much prefer XP (or linux more than XP even), so it's any excuse to put XP back on, but this machine is for my eldest so unfortunately it's prettyness is needed, just trying to find Vista drivers on that shocking new Linksys/Cisco site. Another case of prettyness over actual content, the old site was far better, not sure i've even got the right blinking drivers.
I swear progress is a thing of the past, why does every company think we all have no brains and use Apple products. I can't imagine using/supporting only Microsoft products at work, it'd make me dumber than a box or rocks. Anyways - Arghhh..... back to google.
edit- No, those Vista drivers were useless, back to Cisco's awful site. This is just annoying now.
I have an idea, i'll boot the machine with a Puppy linux live cd, see what chipset the wifi card has, then go find Ralink drivers instead.
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4. March 2011 @ 15:36 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
But I'm uncertain how the Sata ports work. I guess I should just switch it over to AHCI. I've heard some people say there's a speed improvement anyway...
You just said it all right there, AHCI. It depends how you setup the SATA mode on your mobo(IDE, RAID, AHCI), that will control hot-swap etc.
I figured. :p
MR-MOVIES, what do you mean attached to trash can? Because windows 7 seems to recognize removable storage. In that, when you delete things, it automatically goes to permanent deletion. With XP, this was not so.
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4. March 2011 @ 15:46 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
But I'm uncertain how the Sata ports work. I guess I should just switch it over to AHCI. I've heard some people say there's a speed improvement anyway...
You just said it all right there, AHCI. It depends how you setup the SATA mode on your mobo(IDE, RAID, AHCI), that will control hot-swap etc.
I figured. :p
MR-MOVIES, what do you mean attached to trash can? Because windows 7 seems to recognize removable storage. In that, when you delete things, it automatically goes to permanent deletion. With XP, this was not so.
Nope, when you attach to Windows 7 it assumes files to go to the trash can with removable hdd's unless you turn that feature off, which I do.
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4. March 2011 @ 15:49 |
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4. March 2011 @ 15:53 |
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Thanks, that link got me further that the link i had before...trying that Vista driver now...
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4. March 2011 @ 15:54 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Hey, speaking of eSata. I've never used it before. My HAF932 has a cable that runs from the top of the towers eSata port, and awaits a regular internal sata port. My question is will the top port behave like a USB port. In that I need to safely remove devices, or will I have to power down the system, to disconnect eSata connected devices? I Don't want to switch to AHCI mode, because then ALL of my hard drives show up in the safe remove tool. At least I"m pretty sure that's what happens LOL! I most certainly do not want to plug something in, and then disconnect it when done, and blow the sata channel in doing so. My brother disconnected an IDE device while the computer was running before. It destroyed the channel. Thoughts?
Oman7,
Click on the little arrow thing in the taskbar (Safely Remove Hardware) and see if the drive shows. If it doesn't, don't try to remove it with the computer on, because it's not set up for hot swapping! I use the purple Sata ports on mine for eSata. They are already configured for hot swap! You won't blow the Sata port, but you very likely will lose the drive's contents!
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4. March 2011 @ 16:11 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Thanks, that link got me further that the link i had before...trying that Vista driver now...
Nope, the driver on there for Vista cause Win7 to BSOD. The cheek of it. Enough messing about, i'm restoring the machine back to XP using Acronis True Image. (We've been testing it on various linux and Windows servers with mixed results - some work fine, some crash, ie it crashes our company webserver. We've put a bigger CPU in the one machine but realised we can fit a bigger one still so we've got one coming in off ebay). Acronis is ok in XP, as i say it's so-so on some Windows servers, and it's definitely so-so on linux servers, and we have a mixed bag of linux distro's across our servers.
edit- done, the restore took less than 5mins, XP it is again:)
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4. March 2011 @ 16:31 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Oman7,
Click on the little arrow thing in the taskbar (Safely Remove Hardware) and see if the drive shows. If it doesn't, don't try to remove it with the computer on, because it's not set up for hot swapping! I use the purple Sata ports on mine for eSata. They are already configured for hot swap! You won't blow the Sata port, but you very likely will lose the drive's contents!
Russ
See, I have to be setup(Configured in the bios) for AHCI on my board. In doing that, ALL of my drives show up in there. If I accidentally click the wrong one, then I have to restart the computer. Kind of tedious if you ask me. Perhaps there's a workaround. Until then, I'll just set the bios for AHCI mode.
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4. March 2011 @ 16:57 |
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I knew it, restored back to XP and wifi card won't 'see' WPA2. That'll be SP3. Tried uninstalling SP3 and lo and behold the PC is acting all wierd (had installed loads of stuff after SP3 and before i took the Acronis image so sort of expected this). Reinstall of XP (only up to SP2) from scratch coming up. The joy of noddy operating systems eh :)
(we use SP3 on all new work machines, but i don't bother with it on any of my own. I installed it on both kids' new PC's - one of them locked up repeatedly with SP3 so had to reinstall from scratch, to SP2, and this one is the one that the WMP54G wouldn't work on earlier).
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4. March 2011 @ 18:11 |
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For the record I have always just pulled my USB drives and over the course of 6 or 7 years and some 20 odd flash drives have never had a single problem yet. AFAIK the true danger was removing during a file transfer. It could say its done, but wait for the dialog to close before pulling. So it can potentially cause harm, but you can't convince me that it'll corrupt data if the drive is idle. Never seen it once.
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4. March 2011 @ 18:15 |
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You missed the bit where i said we often have this problem at work. I don't imagine these things but those of you who 'pull and play', that's your choice, the rest of us will 'plug and play' as that cretin Bill Gates intended us to do :)
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4. March 2011 @ 18:19 |
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Heh, say what you like about Bill Gates. Where's your 54 billion dollars eh?
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4. March 2011 @ 18:23 |
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I've worked the helpdesk part time at a software development company and we had the same issue cropping up as well. But AFAIK it was their fault pulling before the dialog closed because it said 100%. The transition to 7 was not smooth. If you want more tales of horror I can ask the friend who got me the part time position. Basically run CCleaner and add some RAM and everyone thinks you're magical XD
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4. March 2011 @ 18:35 |
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The only trouble I have with some removable media, is the transfer window. And it's only with select drives. My kingston 16Gb for instance seems to have a High burst rate, so windows 7 thinks it's doing 100Mb/s, where it's only doing ~8MB/s. So at the end of the transfer, it'll hang on 99% for 30seconds or so. I believe my brothers XP SP3 did something highly similar at one time. What it amounts to is the transfer calculator I believe. YOu don't wanna remove the media before this windows closes LOL! Anybody else have this problem?
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4. March 2011 @ 18:38 |
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Gates is busy occupying himself (ie on our behalf) in some very disturbing areas, but this thread isn't for that. Just do dome reading on the guy's current 'humanitarian' hobbies and you'll be somewhat disconcerted at any large sums such a man has at his disposal, never mind the influence he has and can use for things that, frankly he shouldn't be.
But this isn't the place for that, it just pops into my head when minutes of my life are wasted faffing about with his products.
I think i might get another couple WD20EARS next payday, i notice they've come down in price since i last bought some, and i saw the post from Sam showing they might be a tad cheaper outside of my normal supplier. Other than that i'm putting a spare WD5000AAKS into each of the kids' Vostro 200's i'm currently building as secondary disks (to supplement the 250GB Seagate boot disks), though i have to start reinstalling again as the damn stupid install keeps using the WD5000AAKS as a boot drive without prompting me.
Arghhhhhh.........
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4. March 2011 @ 18:39 |
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If it's an OS you're installing, I often leave the other drives unplugged while I do it, just in case.
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4. March 2011 @ 18:44 |
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Yeah, me too, i forgot to uninstall the secondary drive this time though, doh!. Ah well, Puppy live cd to format both drives, i'll unplug the secondary and start again. Then i think it's timeout on pesky PC's and some tv viewing to wind down
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4. March 2011 @ 19:17 |
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Yeah same here I almost always do. Sadly its a bit of a pain on the HAF as the drives mount connector-side in. Also turning my SATA ports from Native IDE to AHCI gave a really nice speed boost. Drive detection itself is quicker, enabling a much faster boot, among other things.
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4. March 2011 @ 19:22 |
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I asked Sammy about pulling sticks for a reason, I always do and did it the safe way, I wanted more info because when I said sometime doing it safely can be a pain e.g.whatever I download something on a stick or an external drive I always make sure whatever I was using I shut down, but often you get the message can't unplug because something is running or other, that's the frustrating part, I have nothing running, go to the taskmanager and 90% of the time you can't make out here nor there what all that means anyway, than I have no other alternative but to shut off the PC, that's when it becomes a pain in the ass, I though maybe he had some secret. But because I'm cautious and after reading other people's opinions I will continue doing it safely, as was said, it only takes one time out of several hundred to ruin a stick or worse an external drive with a lot of important data.
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4. March 2011 @ 21:19 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Oman7,
Click on the little arrow thing in the taskbar (Safely Remove Hardware) and see if the drive shows. If it doesn't, don't try to remove it with the computer on, because it's not set up for hot swapping! I use the purple Sata ports on mine for eSata. They are already configured for hot swap! You won't blow the Sata port, but you very likely will lose the drive's contents!
Russ
See, I have to be setup(Configured in the bios) for AHCI on my board. In doing that, ALL of my drives show up in there. If I accidentally click the wrong one, then I have to restart the computer. Kind of tedious if you ask me. Perhaps there's a workaround. Until then, I'll just set the bios for AHCI mode.
Oman7,
Actually you don't. If you accidentally shut one off, just unplug and re-plug in the drive you turned off. It will make the same sound as plugging in a usb device and it should be back to running again, because it has to re-address and un-park the heads!
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LOL russ. That would also work, but restarting would be easier, depending on tasks going on at the time ;) That's why I say it's tedious. I'm pretty good at noting things though, and would probably not make the mistake of ejecting a primary drive. But...sometimes in a hurry, I do silly stuff LOL! My tower/area is not the easiest to simply open up, and do things in a hurry...
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5. March 2011 @ 00:10 |
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Talking like that brings me back to the late 70's, early 80's, and RLL/MFM drives which I still have a working half height and quarter height drive. Remember when we had to park the heads on our drives before shutting down our PC's. Good old memories...
Of course you may not remember the good old day?s theonejrs as you are still a young man. :)
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5. March 2011 @ 00:13 |
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I'm not sure about that. Russ has been dabbling with PCs for a long long time, since way before I was born at least.
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Early 80's at least. He's spoken of things I've never seen :p We had a commodore 64 in the early 80's. That's the earliest computer I remember. As well as some apples/macintosh's in school ;)
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Originally posted by FredBun:
often you get the message can't unplug because something is running or other, that's the frustrating part, I have nothing running, go to the taskmanager and 90% of the time you can't make out here nor there what all that means anyway, than I have no other alternative but to shut off the PC
I forgot to mention this before. I often have the annoying message abot being unable to unplug because it's in use. Most of the time this can be solved by going into task manager and killing explorer.exe and starting another explorer.exe in the 'File/New task (run)' option in task manager. That will nearly always release the hold on the USB device, but not always. Then you either reboot or chance unplugging.
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