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Is DVD Rebuilder/CCE worth if for less than 20% compression?
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ddlooping
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18. August 2004 @ 19:04 |
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I propose bigorange does the LOTR-ROTK 60.9% test.
Donald does the Braveheart test.
Sophocles does what he think will be best.
What do you all think? :)
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64026402
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18. August 2004 @ 19:06 |
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I never refered to any filters. Rebuilder has a CCE quality setting to trade off sharpness for smoothness just like DVDshrink is doing.
You can if you want but default has always been my preferred.
Shrink smoothing just doesn't make me warm and fuzzy. Just the picture.
Anywho I still have to try the newest shrink to tell if I like the Improvement. I might prefer the old one if smoothing is the main improvement.
Donald
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64026402
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18. August 2004 @ 19:09 |
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ddlooping
I still need to know your programs and settings for the clips. For reference purposes.
Donald
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ddlooping
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18. August 2004 @ 19:24 |
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Just to remind you, "Smooth" does not smooth/soften the video stream, it spreads the compression more smoothly/evenly between I,P and B frames.
Hence minimizing the chance of macroblocking and "pumping". :)
The tests process is described on the web page and is as follow:
- Movie only of the original LOTR-ROTK done with DVD Shrink v3.1.7, using "No Compression", and keeping one audio stream and subpicture stream (so subsequent backups would apply a compression of 40% or thereabout).
All the subsequent backups used this as the source.
- DVD2DVD-R/CCE VBR 2-pass:
DC precision "10" (bit).
Calculation-Mode "Maximum".
Quantizer characteristics "15".
Multipass VBR Bias "20".
iDCT Algorithm "32-bit MMX".
- DVD Shrink v3.2.0.15 / Deep Analysis / AEC "Smooth".
- Instant Copy 8: High Quality / 16:9 anamorphic.
The clips were extracted from these backups, and not processed individually.
They were created and assembled into compilations by using DVD Shrink Reauthor mode and "Start/End" feature.
"No Compression" was used, and both the audio and subpicture streams were removed (so as to make the comppilations smaller in size).
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18. August 2004 @ 19:27 |
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I AM NOT DOING LOTR, PERIOD. ya try to be a nice guy and all you get is heartache! How about letting me pick one from my collection, I'll get a good one, something I haven't seen in a while. 3 hours should do it.
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ddlooping
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18. August 2004 @ 19:29 |
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Ok, bigo, t'was just a suggestion. :P
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18. August 2004 @ 19:36 |
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I know what you were doing, I have now decided I like the donkey better, get the connection? heh heh ;>)
I saw where you like smilies when you were talking to sophocles.
GO VOLS !
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18. August 2004 @ 19:42 |
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Hey double d, if smooth is the better setting, wonder why Mr. Shrink didn't use that for the default seeting in 3.2 instead of sharp?
I must admit I am curious now as to smooth vs. sharp.
I won't be able ot start testing until tomorrow, how long is our time frame to get these comparisons in?
GO VOLS !
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ddlooping
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18. August 2004 @ 19:44 |
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"Sharp" seemed to be the best compromise, but in the case of LOTR_ROTK, "Smooth" ended-up yelding better results overal.
There is no time frame really, but the sooner the better. :D
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ddlooping
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18. August 2004 @ 19:58 |
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Off to bed now. Nite guys. :)
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19. August 2004 @ 02:54 |
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" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 19. August 2004 @ 03:03
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64026402
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19. August 2004 @ 16:20 |
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Sophocles,
I see what you're getting at. You think its probably not an XP1700. Could be. You can run XPs in the board but the settings are manual. But if he didn't know the specifics about his setup I wouldn't think it likely.
Sisoft Sandra would be helpfull to get the specifics.
Donald
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ddlooping
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19. August 2004 @ 16:27 |
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I'm downloading Sisoft Sandra. ;)
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19. August 2004 @ 16:41 |
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I don't know what he has but the numbers he gave me are for a real Asus board. I'm not familiar with the AMD's from the original Atholon to the T'breds, I've most built intel that is until the Barton core. Let me know because my curiosity has been peaked.
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ddlooping
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19. August 2004 @ 16:52 |
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Sophocles, it's not polite to talked about me like if I was not here ("...he..."). ;)
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SiSoftware Sandra
Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Speed : 1.48GHz
Model Number : 1758 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR2143 (estimated)
Type : Standard
L2 On-board Cache : 256kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte line size)
Mainboard
Bus(es) : AGP PCI USB FireWire/1394
MP Support : No
MP APIC : No
System BIOS : Award Software, Inc. ASUS A7A266 ACPI BIOS Revision 1006
System : System Manufacturer System Name
Mainboard : ASUSTeK Computer INC. A7A266
Total Memory : 511MB
Chipset 1
Model : Acer Labs Incorporated (ALi) ALI M1647 ALiMAGiK 1 AGP System Controller
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 134MHz (268MHz data rate)
Video System
Desktop Monitors/Panels : 2
Monitor/Panel : L565
Monitor/Panel : SyncMaster152V / 152Sm
Adapter : RADEON 9600 SERIES
Adapter : RADEON 9600 SERIES - Secondary
Adapter : 3dfx Voodoo3
Physical Storage Devices
Removable Drive : Floppy disk drive
Hard Disk : ST360021A
Hard Disk : WDC WD400BB-32CLB0
CD-ROM/DVD : LG DVD-ROM DRD8160B
CD-ROM/DVD : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105
MultiMedia Device(s)
Device : Creative SB Live! Series (WDM)
Device : Creative SBLive! Gameport
Operating System(s)
Windows System : Microsoft Windows XP/2002 Home (Win32 x86) 5.01.2600 (Service Pack 1)
Network Services
Adapter : NETGEAR FA311 Fast Ethernet Adapter
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19. August 2004 @ 17:03 |
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Sorry Double "D", it was unintended, I know your're there and if I forget I know you'll remind me.:) LOL
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64026402
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19. August 2004 @ 17:49 |
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ddlooping
The information is good but not quite enough.
The identifier string is somewhat dependant on motherboard support for accuracy.
It would need to be an XP or low power Athlon to have the speed registered.
But it is possible because of the combination SSE might not be enabled accounting for some CCE slowdown.
You should have a CPU info screen that shows SSE enabled or not.
Donald
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ddlooping
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19. August 2004 @ 17:54 |
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There you go. ;)
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SiSoftware Sandra
Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Speed : 1.48GHz
Model Number : 1757 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR2142 (estimated)
Type : Standard
Package : Socket A PGA
Multiplier : 11/1x
Generation : G7
Name : Duron M6 & Athlon 4/MP/XP (Palomino) 180nm 1-1.8GHz 1.7-1.75V
Revision/Stepping : 6 / 2 (0)
Stepping Mask : A5
Core Voltage Rating : 1.750V
Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 34-bit / 32-bit
Native Page Size : 4kB
Co-Processor (FPU)
Type : Built-in
Revision/Stepping : 6 / 2 (0)
Processor Cache(s)
Internal Data Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64 byte line size)
Internal Instruction Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64 byte line size)
L2 On-board Cache : 256kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte line size)
L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (1477MHz)
Upgradeability
Socket/Slot : SOCKET A
Upgrade Interface : Other
Supported Speed(s) : 1.48GHz+
Features
FPU - Co-Processor Built-in : Yes
VME - Virtual Mode Extensions : Yes
DE - Debugging Extension : Yes
PSE - Page Size Extension : Yes
TSC - Time Stamp Counter : Yes
MSR - Model Specific Registers : Yes
PAE - Physical Address Extension : Yes
MCE - Machine Check Exception : Yes
CX8 - Compare & Exchange Instruction : Yes
APIC - Local APIC Built-in : No
SEP - Fast System Call : Yes
MTRR - Memory Type Range Registers : Yes
PGE - Page Global Enable : Yes
MCA - Machine Check Architecture : Yes
PAT - Page Attribute Table : Yes
PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Extension : Yes
PSN - Unique Serial Number : No
CLF - Cache Line Flush Support : No
DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store : No
ACPI - Software Clock Control : No
MMX Technology : Yes
FXSR - Fast Float Save & Restore : Yes
SSE Technology : No
SSE2 Technology : No
SS - Self Snoop : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No
TM - Thermal Monitor : No
SBF - Signal Break on FERR : No
SSE3 Technology : No
MON - Monitor/MWait : No
DSCPL - CPL qualified Debug Store : No
EST - Enhanced SpeedStep Technology : No
TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2 : No
CID - Context ID : No
DAZ - Denormals Are Zero : No
Extended Features
SYCR - Extended Fast System Call : Yes
EMMX - Extended MMX Technology : Yes
3DNow! Technology : Yes
Extended 3DNow! Technology : Yes
SMP - MP Capability : Yes
Power Management Features
VID - Voltage Control : No
FID - Frequency Control : No
TS - Thermal Sensor Built-in : Yes
Advanced Settings
TLB Cacheable : Yes
System Ack Limit : 4 request(s)
System Victim Limit : 0 request(s)
Extended MTRR Types : Yes
I/O Type Range Registers : Yes
Top of Memory : 20000000 (512MB)
Machine Check Architecture Settings
Number of Reporting Banks : 4 bank(s)
Exception Reporting Control Support : Yes
PAT Settings
PAT 0 : WB
PAT 1 : WC
PAT 2 : UC-
PAT 3 : UC
PAT 4 : WB
PAT 5 : WC
PAT 6 : UC-
PAT 7 : UC
Performance Tips
Warning 2533 : Disabled host controllers are present. Check BIOS settings.
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
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ddlooping
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19. August 2004 @ 19:37 |
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 08:30 |
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64026402
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20. August 2004 @ 17:23 |
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ddlooping
As I suspected, your SSE is disabled.
I figure its a lack of support for XPs on this motherboard. You'll take a substantial hit with CCE on encoding time.
Motherboards are cheap if your into that kinda work.
Although Dell pratically gives away computers sometimes. No fuss no muss.
Donald
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 17:34 |
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64026402
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20. August 2004 @ 17:50 |
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Looks like a good system. Should get you in the 3hr range or better for the big movies. The dual channel DDR2 should help speed wise. Go for the 3.0 for a little extra money. Obviously DVDshrink should get a good boost to.
I'm running Braveheart and ROTK on Rebuilder as we speak. Do you know the time position of the original clips you sent over so I don't have to search through the whole movie.
Donald
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ddlooping
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20. August 2004 @ 18:00 |
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20. August 2004 @ 18:27 |
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6402, you're right about Dell, I got my 4600 dimension for 800.00-100.00 rebate! That included printer, 17" flat panel and a bunch of software.(see my system specs),It has never given me one iota of trouble in the DVD video catagory. Does everything I ask of it. I did add a couple of HD's and a video capture card and a couple of burners, but other than that it's all Dell.
They have good support too, especially after you tell 'em to give you somebody that can speak English.lol
ddlooping, I would highly recommend it! I have the 2.8, works fine, but i'm sure stepping up to 3.0 couldn't hurt.
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GO VOLS !
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