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1. November 2005 @ 23:26 |
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BroBear,
What's memory! One of the side effects from my heart attack was that some of my memory areas have been affected by it. Mostly connected short term memory. I was down for 22 mins with nothing but CPR and an Ambu bag. The way the Dr. explained it to me is to picture myself in a library and you are going through the sections. One of the sections has had a fire so some of it is damaged and some doesn't exist anymore. When my brain sends my memory request to that section I may get all the info, some info or no info. When its no info it's a dead end with no refrence to continue on. It doesn't exist! You have no idea how frustrating it is to be holding a conversation with someone and go down that section and bang!!! You have no recollection of what you just said. Not a word! I have to ask the other person what it was that I just said in order to take a different route to get to the same end. It's like taking a computer and trying to program it with mittens on!
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2. November 2005 @ 00:23 |
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Glad the wife didn't have that problem when she had a heart attack. I need her to remind me of things. I'm just plain forgetful though. Guess it's genetic. ;) The wife says it's just because I don't pay attention in the first place. She's smarter than I am, so I know better than to argue. I've forgotten how to win an argument with her. LOL
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2. November 2005 @ 11:00 |
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Hmmm, sounds a little like me, except the wife part. That's not really relevant. Substitute mum instead.
As for media, I generally only stick to TDK, Imation and Verbatim, but i was sold a wrapped spindle cake of Bulkpaq 8x DVD-Rs, and so far the half a dozen discs ive written haven't caused any coasters.
I'm using the LG GSA-4163B Drive, which in my opinion is excellent, if a little noisy.
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2. November 2005 @ 12:14 |
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Never buy your media by brand, always get the manufacturers ID first and then buy it based on that. My favorite manufacturers are RICOHJPN and Mitsubishi.
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2. November 2005 @ 12:29 |
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Manufacturer ID?
I consider myself a bit of a layman when it comes to the in depth data involving recordable media.
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2. November 2005 @ 12:46 |
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2. November 2005 @ 13:46 |
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2. November 2005 @ 14:00 |
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Another good app, free or donor, is DVDInfoPro. At least it was free when I got mine, way back when. It's got utility functions as well as the media manufacturer ID software. I've found it handy for checking suspect disks and the like as well as the ID of the media. http://www.dvdinfopro.com
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2. November 2005 @ 15:22 |
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Decent results, your machine should be able to do just about anything with reasonable that you ask it to do.
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2. November 2005 @ 23:30 |
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3. November 2005 @ 02:08 |
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It's the other way around, you should buy based on who made the disc and not buy based on whose name is stamped on them.
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3. November 2005 @ 02:42 |
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Like Sophocles said, you don't go by the brand name, like Memorex, Fuji or whatever, you go by manufacturers, such as Ricoh, Mitsubishi, and Taiyo Yuden. I've purchased Fuji DVDs made by Ricoh and by Taiyo Yuden, both are excellent media by top manufacturers.
Sometimes you have brands that manufacture their own media, in those cases you get a code similar to the brand name. An example would be the Ricoh brand with a RICOHJPN manufacturer code. Sony manufactures some of its own media as well as selling media made by other manufacturing companies. Don't mistake the brand name as being the manufacturer, sometimes they are and sometimes not. You'll find several manufacturers with their own generic brand, or brands with their own manufacturing facilities. You'll also find brands that sell media made by a number of different manufacturing companies.
However, you will find a lot of media with a potpourri of brand names from various manufacturers. To give you an idea, Ricoh alone has made DVDs for most of the popular brand names. Ritek has also been a broad supplier, others doing business in a similar manner are Taiyo Yuden and Mitsubishi. Tao Yuden is another manufacturer that sells under its own name as well as producing for others. Mitsubishi sells to a number of brands, 2 of the better known being Verbatim and Sony. And lets not leave out CMC Magnetics. That's the one that is associated with Memorex getting a bad name. CMC makes media for a number of brands though, including name companies like Verbatim. However, CMC is usually the low end product for the better brands. Memorex just chose to use CMC for most of its offerings.
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3. November 2005 @ 03:23 |
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To sophocles: Oops, that's what i meant.
To all: So how can I tell who has actually made the discs when I go to buy some?
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3. November 2005 @ 03:36 |
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I'm not Sophocles, but I may be able to shed some light on the situation. Guess I'm one of the "all". ;) You have a difficult task when trying to figure out a manufacturer before the purchase. You can't really tell what you have until you check the codes in some cases. Some brands you can be sure of, at least their better products. Verbatim for instance has the DataLife Plus. When you see Verbatim and AZO dye together, you have a good DVD by a reputable manufacturer. Without looking that up, I think that is MCC (Mitsubishi). Generics like Taiyo Yuden, Ricoh, and Ritek are easy ones. If you see a Sony pack with a made in Japan label, it's more than likely Mitsubishi. The Taiwanese Sony with the Sony code is good as well, so that one doesn't really matter. You can search databases like MediaMatch to see who is sellilng what by cross referencing brands and manufacturers, http://www.mediamatch.de/medien.php . This site is German, so you need to know Anbieter is brand, Hersteller is manufacturer and Anzeigen is the enter command. The media names and info are in English. The search function is in the box on the lower right quadrant of the page. There's probably more of these databases around. I haven't searched any down lately. Anyone with good links should add them.
Some of the info can be dated, there it is a good idea to browse around the forums. There you have to be careful to. Some sites appear to be knowledgable, but end up being misleading. I've seen them do comparisons using names and not differentiating between brands and manufacturers. I've actually seen Ricoh and Taiyo Yuden compared to brands they supply media for. And sometimes they compare brands that use the same manufacturers. Without using ID codes, who knows what they're comparing. So again, it's consumer beware.
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3. November 2005 @ 06:45 |
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To All,
I just checked my sonys and they are made by Taiyo Yuden. I am curious however, because I can only do the test with my burner (drive F). It doesn't seem to see or list my DVD-Rom drive (drive E) on the drop down list. It only shows the burner.
By the way, BroBear. What AV do you use. I have the CA Anti-Virus that M$ sent me. Just curious.
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3. November 2005 @ 07:18 |
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Yes, only Burner drives show up in that program because readers don't have much to do with burning do they?
Yes, I deliberately said 'all' for the second bit of info in my earlier post because the first part was responding to something sophocles had said. I certainly didn't mean to exclude you, brobear...
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Just ragging you on the "all". Have to kid around a bit. Some of this info gets so dry after a while, I have to have some fun while talking about it.
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Part of "All", aka brobear, is back. LOL I've got an extensive batch of AV ware. I have the Norton Internet Security suite, that's the firewall, anti-virus, spam filters, and clean up, just in case you're not familiar with it. It's the first line of defense and I've tested it against a number of the other name programs and I've yet to find anything to beat it. Then for keeping the pests cleaned out and to ensure system health I have the Norton SystemWorks.
Symantec has some good apps, good support and I like their info database. Add to that the retail Ad-Aware SE Pro, Spy Sweeper from WebRoot and Spybot and there's a well set up AV ware system. Those are some of the top apps on the market, retail and freeware, what one doesn't catch, odds are one of the others will get it in the cleanup. There's a freeware version of the Ad-Aware SE and a trial of the Spy Sweeper. The Spybot is free as well. The Norton and Spy Sweeper include one year subscriptions to updates for AV definitions and updates for the programs.
Depending on the need, there's the Ad Watch, that goes with Ad-Aware, and Spy Sweeper that are pro active as well as the Norton. Then all the apps do detail and custom searches. One just needs the updates kept up, which I do at least once a week. Not keeping up the updates and not having a routine schedule is where a lot of problems happen. Software is no good unless it's kept up and used.
I have access to a huge library of software for testing purposes. The programs I mentioned are just the ones I preferr and I didn't do extensive testing such as benchmark type tests. With the AV ware I'd just run different apps until something came up one couldn't handle, then I'd find something that would. By elimination, the apps I mentioned above are the ones that I find that work best for me. So, I'm not going to get into a discussion of what's best with anyone. If someone has something different than what I have and it works for them, then I'm happy for them. There's a ton of apps out there, these just happen to be my favorites.
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3. November 2005 @ 09:44 |
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Yeah, I agree with the joke, It can get a little dull here, but we've kind of started a few new discussions along the way.
Do you use ALL of those security apps on your PC? That's quite a large number of programs to be running at once, Windows must take quite a while to boot...
Ok, i'm not one to talk, my system tray has 20+ icons in it, but only 1 of those is for security software.
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3. November 2005 @ 12:01 |
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Norton's does use a lot of resources but it's the software conflicts that it creates that moved me to ZoneAlarm scurity suite which uses fewer memory resources. I also run Microsoft spyware remover and adaware. To keep my PC running snappy I use Diskeeper which defrags my hard disk each night as I sleep.
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It doesn't take too long to boot. I've never timed it, but it isn't annoying. There's a lot to boot up besides the AV ware. Usually I only boot once or twice a day. Extra reboots usually only happen when loading apps and a reboot is required.
Only the Norton with the firewall and antivirus start from the boot out of all the AV apps. The onboard protection of XP is turned off as well. Special circumstances are needed to have the Spy Sweeper and Ad Watch running with the Norton in pro active mode at the same time. The system handles it without a noticable slowdown though. Scans are separate due to the nature of the process. So they're not all scanning at the same time. However when they're on at the same time, they do monitor and block at the same time. I only start up everything when I'm in a situation I should know better, but do it anyway. LOL It prevents registry changes, homepage hijacks and a lot of other things one doesn't usually think of until it's too late. Some of the functions are repetitive, but the cleaning by one can sometimes miss things caught by another. Tests by some of the software sites showed that and I found it true from personal experience. Normally though, just running the Ad-Aware Pro will clean everything up. It's the fastest of the bunch. When I've been toying with suspect files though, I'll run the complete battery. Since I'm always messing around with files, and not all cleared by Microsoft, I run all the programs at least once a week.
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3. November 2005 @ 12:20 |
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After the boot, only the AV and firewall with the filters are taking up memory with Norton. I have ample resources, so it isn't a factor. Norton has a number of utilities including Speed Disk which defrags and can be scheduled at the owner's preference. Same goes for scans. As I said though, if what you have works for you, I'm happy for you. LOL BTW, what conflicts are you talking about? I haven't had any. Besides the time I was trying other apps, some of them ones you've suggested, I've had this software, or older versions of it, on this system for nearly 2 years. I used similar Norton apps before that on other systems I've had. I don't remember conflicts because of those apps either. Microsoft and Symantec play well together. I suspect Bill and the boys at Symantec are buddies.
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3. November 2005 @ 12:44 |
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AMD all the way!!
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3. November 2005 @ 12:44 |
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4. November 2005 @ 11:52 |
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I never said that Norton's was bad. BTW, your link to a review was a year old in September 2005. Here's a more recent one from 2005. You'll note the mention of NIS slowing down the system.
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We've also found in real-world trials that NIS can slow a PC considerably?in some cases, enough to persuade people to disable it, which doesn't keep anyone safe.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1755082,00.asp
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