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Intel P4 vs AMD
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64026402
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6. December 2005 @ 14:42 |
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Sounds like a thread revival. Optetrons wipe the floor with any Xeon setup. The 3 HyperTransport links per chip alone leaves Xeon out of any serious comparisons. Multiple procs need more bandwidth.
The P4 Netburst architecture is flawed and on its way out. Everyone knows it. The only real competition Intel has is based upon the old P3. The Pentium M far outclasses the P4 in power per mhz and watt.
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denzilla
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6. December 2005 @ 14:47 |
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P3s were workhorses. Wonder why they went with the flawed architecture of the P4? Surely someone at Intel spotted its shortcomings?
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6. December 2005 @ 14:59 |
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Intel went with the P4's to up the transistor count and to add SSE2 intructions along with the ability to punish the crap out of them with voltage increases that matched clock speed increases. The Pentium M was perfect for laptops because of its raw speed compared to its low power requirements. The P3 actually outperformed the first P4s. IF Intel didn't recognize the short comings of the P4 against the P3 architecture then, they certainly do now.
Here's an interesting article about where Intel's headed. They won't be down for long.
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051203/index.html
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6. December 2005 @ 15:28 |
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P4 was just a sales tool. Mhz at any cost. You might notice that businesses got The Itanium at under 1 ghz. It would kill a P4. Tells you what they thought of the actual performance of the P4.
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6. December 2005 @ 16:41 |
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Well as everyone says, thank goodness for the competition. AMD is keeping Intel honest it seems. The R&D at Intel is already hard at work trying to catch up, if not forge ahead. The architecture for the new processors appear to be on the Pentium M type architecture. So Intel already knows which piece of hardware is the better suited for the new processors. They know it isn't the P4. The P4 Northwood seemed to be a good advancement over the P3. However, when Intel developed the Pentium M, they should have gone with it then instead of waiting till this late date.
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6. December 2005 @ 23:58 |
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My last P4 ran at 3.06 ghz and 100 degrees F. My current machine a P4 3.4 ghz runs at 120 degress F, and almost 145 degrees F when I put it under load and the CPU runs at 100%.
This plus AMD`s EVP and the much much better tests scores has me leaning towards an AMD for my next machine. This is significant for me, anyhow. I have never owned a non-Intel machine before. This is my 4th P4 and 7th Intel machine that I built or owned in the last 10 years. I have built plenty of AMD machines , just not for myself.
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denzilla
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7. December 2005 @ 02:45 |
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Intel employs the same security tech into their processors, just under a different name. "No Execute Bit Disable" or something like that.
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7. December 2005 @ 04:38 |
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denzilla , Yep you are correct. Go to :
http://www.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/security/xdbit.htm
Intel sounds more technical. That it only works on Buffer Overfow Attacks. AMD works on certain malicious viruses, like MSBlaster and Slammer, worms, and Trojan horses, such as Code Red, MSBlaster. All while you are surfing etc. Well , it is a much more wordy way of saying BUFFER OVERFOW. They are all examples of buffer overflow virus`s. AMD`s version does not do more, they just showed more examples on their website.
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denzilla
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7. December 2005 @ 07:15 |
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Very much the same thing Intel did with x64 naming. You can't blame them though for calling it EMT64 instead of AMD64 ;)
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7. December 2005 @ 18:48 |
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Wouldn't it have been just as simple to say both AMD and Intel have built in virus and trojan protection and to name them? ;) Intel has a bunch of things in the works now. They're playing catch up with AMD and have a bunch of planned new processor offerings for 06. Included in there is more AV built into the hardware and 64 bit support. Publications such as PC World and Computer Shopper have been highlighting the info in articles the past couple of months. I've seen others, just don't remember the articles in other publications. I do a little reading here and there.
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8. December 2005 @ 00:11 |
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brobear. Yes, It would have been simpler. Sometimes , some people do not take another persons word. Me included. I did not think denzilla was correct until I checked it out. So I included a screen capture and the link to the original website. So others would not make the same mistake I did. Sorry I was too thorough. I`ll try not to do that again!!!
When a question is asked I will just respond with a YES or No answer. And if they want any more , I will accuse them of being lazy. Let`s keep it simple around here....
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64026402
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8. December 2005 @ 02:44 |
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Nothing wrong with being thorough, Brobear is king of thorough.
The initial snipet and link were plenty. The page of advertising wasn't needed.
Now if you actually retyped all of the info in your own words, then we couldn't call you lazy:)
AMD lacks the size and resources of Intel so the success of the past few years has been a pleasant surprise. I didn't think the Optetron/Athlon64 procs would be this big.
Intel isn't doing as much catch up as just getting back on track. They took a lot of wrong turns for a while and like any huge company has been slow to admit and change things that were hurting them.
I believe that the P4 was a change for the sake of change to distance themselves from AMD who didn't have the resources to follow with another major design change at the time. Unfortunately the P4 took a lot of effort and mhz to match up to the old P3 and Athlons.
They were eventually successful in marketing and the high mhz and cache and new instruction sets helped performance wise.
They would have had a better proc if they scaled up the P3 more and based the newer cores on a similar architecture.
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brobear
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8. December 2005 @ 03:05 |
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Donald,
Call it what you will, "getting back on track", "catch up"; it all boils down to the same thing, Intel fell behind and is now trying to get back in the game. The P3 was becoming dated, even if the initial replacements weren't quite as good. Intel just took the wrong turn in the path, they went with the P4 architecture, when they could have gone with the Pentium M. Word has it the P4s will still be with us, even though other chips will be developed. It's going to be interesting to see how things play out at Intel. Intel is supposed to be working on its troublesome memory issues. I doubt AMD will be resting on its laurels though. So, overall, it should be a fine year for the consumer, if not a confusing one.
72morgan
Donald is right, along with him and me, there are a few thorough sorts around here. Sometimes we need or like to get windy. But I'm not against the one liner when it will suffice. Donald was fairly "thorough" in his analysis of the situation. ;) No need for just a yes or no, unless that's what's called for. Have a good one.
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Triock
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8. December 2005 @ 06:33 |
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Hey guy's well i found out that i am getting a 2.4 amd 64 with 512 cash and 800 fsb.. I cant upgrade this anymore,so i am stuck with it!
Um I will send you the link eventually, but it is a total of 530.00 and that includes the gig of ram the case the ps the mobo and the cpu!!!
Sweet!!!
That is a good system Right??
And i dont wamt to oc. I mean, Is their a chance a game will lag?
And the amd 2.4 64 bit is like a 4.8 on a 32 bit right???
Thats what my dad told me... Thanks..
Triock
Ps: This comes with the 256 mg nvidia video card.. I am going to have 90.00 Dollars left over, And ideas?
I want to get sound blaster live, and_____ I dont know, Can you help me choose??
Thanks again,
Triock
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brobear
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8. December 2005 @ 10:05 |
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Nope, not even with nitrogen... Though probably a good processor, I don't think there's any comparisons going up to a 4.8GHz Intel. That would really be "smokin".
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8. December 2005 @ 11:35 |
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A 256MB nvidia video card?
if no model is mentioned, then it's probably a 6200, so pretty mediocre. If it turns out to be something better, like a 6600 you'd be fine, but if not i'd spend your extra cash going for a better GPU.
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8. December 2005 @ 12:03 |
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They would have had a better proc if they scaled up the P3 more and based the newer cores on a similar architecture.
You mean scaled down don't you? lOL
You're are however right, the PIII was a great design but for some reason Intel decided that a .18 micron die size and 256K L2 cache was enough to start with. If Intel would have scaled the P3 down from a .18 micron die to say a .95 or smaller (I think they did get it down to .13) and added a megabyte of L2 cache and upped the core speed to around 2.4 GHZ it would've been quite the CPU. But Intel decided it was better to bury it in laptops under the name of Pentium M. Tomshardware installed a Pentium M in a desktop and then overclocked it and it competed with even the best that AMD had to offer.
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Triock
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8. December 2005 @ 15:34 |
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True it is a bacis as far as i know.. I have 90.00 though so i can upgrade it further befor i order it.. :) And i will have a computer as fast as yalls!!! Yeah!!! And a 2.4 is like a 4.8 in 32 bit ters right????
And do yall have a myspace?????!!!!!
Thanks,
Triock
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brobear
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8. December 2005 @ 16:19 |
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Soph, I'll be quite. I'm not going to be "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas". LOL
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8. December 2005 @ 16:49 |
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All in all, Next summer should see some interesting changes in computers and computing. With Intel coming out with their new stuff about mid-second quarter and AMD answering about a month later. I think we will see a pretty good drop in prices on the current crop of AMD Athlon64 x2 processors. I know that's the direction I'm leaning right now for a new system. I just hope that I can save enough money by waiting till mid-year to make it worth my while. Right now the vidio cards I want, XFX 7800GTs are right around $300 (USD) at Newegg. I'm hoping for larger 10,000 rpm SATA drives by mid-year as the currently available 74 Gb (WD) is kinda small. The motherboard I want is down to $229 so I am looking forward to some pretty low prices over all!
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8. December 2005 @ 17:18 |
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brobear
You might want to move that avatar of your to DVD Hounds because Zentarium might be down for a while. LOL
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9. December 2005 @ 04:44 |
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Been thinking about that, just too lazy to do it so far. LOL
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Triock
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9. December 2005 @ 06:37 |
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I am at school!! Ha ha ha!!! yall have not told me my answer yet!!!
LOL.. Just get back to me a.s.a.p. Thanks,
Triock
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Triock
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9. December 2005 @ 08:37 |
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?? The short memos??
??Script??
Jackie -Hey Bob what?s up?
Bob - Not much Sandra just enjoying my break.
Bob - O OW, Jesse this coffee is hot! Can you get me a towel Jackie?
Jackie ? ??yeah one minute???
Jackie - Well have you noticed anything different with Sandra?
Bob ? maybe, but why do you ask? ??Oww??!
Jackie ? Well I have noticed Jackie has been?..
Bob ? ??Will you hand me the towel. Then we will talk!??
Jackie - O.K, Fine, Here!
Bob- O.k. Thanks Jackie, now what did you say?
Jackie - I wanted to know if you have noticed Sandra slacking?
Bob -Yeah, kind of. Her memos are different than before.
Jackie - I thought so!
Jackie - She has been righting fewer, shorter memos.
Bob - I don?t understand why.
Jackie - I don?t know either, but I think we should go talk to the boss!
Jackie - What do you think?
Bob - Well, I? Whatever fine..
Jackie - .Good.
Bob - Well Sandra I kind of think we could use this to our advantage.
What do you mean; I thought we were going to tell the boss?
Bob ? I think we could use this to show the boss how good we are.
Jackie - ..True..
Bob - ..Good..
Jackie ? I still think we could go and tell the boss, that well she can get fired.
Bob ? Well I think she is cool? Because I think we could salvage, her and give us a lesser load.
Jackie - But I don?t like her.
Triock
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Triock
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9. December 2005 @ 10:43 |
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i got the pictures of what i am getting how do i get it on here???
C:\Documents and Settings\admin\My Documents\My Pictures
Will that do?? Or go to myspace.. Other than that i dont know how ??
Triock
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