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afire77
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10. February 2006 @ 16:13 |
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I am saying it again I came asking for help and was not trying to antagonize anyone sorry. I asked questions and got called an asshole.
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10. February 2006 @ 16:21 |
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afire77
It was how you presented and displayed the post after all the time I spent trying to help you and at your request. But that being said it's behind us now so ask away but don't try to pit me up against a post by some idiot, in the end you're going to have to make the decision as to what you're going to buy.
I second your apology, calling you an a**hole was a little over the top. Hmm! Would you be willing to believe that it was really allhole? Well maybe not. BTW, it wasn't your questions that lead to you being all called an a**hole, it was how you introduced that post.
Now for your information follow the link.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/02/10/readers_choice_awards_2005_winn...
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10. February 2006 @ 16:33 |
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Sophocles
Those temps do sound a bit low. That is a good looking little cooler, but I don't see it as being outstanding. I suspect the difference to be more in the CPU itself. Still sounds a bit low though. I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it. I still have my 2.8GHz Northwood waiting in the wings. If I was to get a new board though, the 3.4GHz Northwood would have to be the one I put on it.
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10. February 2006 @ 16:45 |
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Actually it is a pretty outstanding little cooler, I think that it is beating my Zalman for cooling. And I think that there's a chance that the temps are real, because if there was a temp read problem it would have also affected my chiptset. Another contributing factor is the new Cooler master case I bought. It has an 80 mm fan in the front for intake and a 120 MM fan exausting out the back, a side air duct to allow the CPU fan to exaust directly out of the case, and a side intake duct for drawing cool air in. Tomorrow I'll check it out again and see if I can't discover what's going on.
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10. February 2006 @ 17:11 |
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sophocles,
I would pay you to build and ship. I'm sure you really know and care. For sure, my system would be excellent.
mesmd
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10. February 2006 @ 17:20 |
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10. February 2006 @ 17:29 |
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MESMD
I appreciate the offer but I'll have to give it some thought, however I'm going to put some feelers out and see if I can't get you a top notch trustworthy local builder, and we'll work the specs out together. Once my wife finds out that I've just purchased a 150 gig raptor I might need some medical advice.
brobear
What's interesting is that the case only costs about $60 (no power supply which will cost about $70 for a decent one) and it was one of the easiest cases I've ever worked with. Lot's of room to for getting your hands inside to work and it's a tooless design so once the mainboard is in the only other screws are the panels and the power supply.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119075
BTW, we need to start another thread for building.
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brobear
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10. February 2006 @ 17:51 |
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Nice case for the bucks, nice anyway you take it. ;)
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we need to start another thread for building.
I thought that was what this thread had evolved into. Should I change the title? We exhausted AMD vs Intel well before your psycho friend came along. LOL
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brobear
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10. February 2006 @ 17:55 |
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How does Intel vs AMD, custom buildng PCs sound?
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10. February 2006 @ 18:05 |
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MESMD,
I live in San Bernardino, Ca. and ride the Metrolink every day. I suspect you are somewhere around 50 miles or so from me. If I can be of some assistance, please feel free to ask. If you are willing to purchase the parts, I would be willing to put it together for you and get it all set up on a weekend.
Sincerely,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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10. February 2006 @ 18:28 |
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MESMD
There's an offer that sounds good and theonejrs I think is retired as well and just to make it fun, we'll all get together and spec it out first.
We will need an operating budget.
I think that we can all agree to start with AMD except for possibly brobear or as we refer to him "Mr. what the hell own a Dell" LOL
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10. February 2006 @ 18:36 |
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brobear
As long as it makes sense and we setup a few basic guidelines we should be Ok, if not then we can alwyas continue off topic here. LOL
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10. February 2006 @ 18:53 |
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theonejrs,
What a generous and nice offer!! sophocles and brobear... all you guys are terrific. Let me get my novice thoughts for you guys to fine tune, pefect, and then see how much the parts will be. I appreciate all your offers, help, support and time answering my questions, etc. i will get back to you in a few days, if that's ok?
Thank you all again,
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10. February 2006 @ 18:58 |
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MESMD
At your leisure.
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10. February 2006 @ 18:59 |
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theonejrs I think is retired
No, I'm not retired. I just went back to full time work last November after spending 3 years of semi-retirement recovering from a nasty heart attack. I used to work about 20 hours a week before but when this job was offered to me I jumped at it as I knew that I could work the 40 hour week. I quit driving after Christmas and use the train to get to where I want to go. We can use our monthly train pass to go to L.A. and several other locations on Amtrac. My weekends are usually free as I rarely ever work them. With all the collective knowlege in this forum we should be able to build something really special for MESMD!
Sincerely,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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L8ter
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10. February 2006 @ 18:59 |
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hi all when you get through w/ that one!
I've been asking for some advice here and there for a mobo upgrade!
for the time I'm being another what the hell intel kinda guy!
(soph stop poking bearslol)
no I planned on purchasing this mobo cpu package http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4729619?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
which in my local was just today placed on sale for us$299 it's the same price as if I was to buy just the processor!
so naturally ?'s regarding the board arose. so it was suggested that I ask here has any body had bad experiences w/ ecs boards or is this worth even trying??
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10. February 2006 @ 19:10 |
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L8ter
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10. February 2006 @ 19:13 |
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Thnx I will be giving them a look! is there a good site for (detailed)side by side comparison's as I want to compare to the p5wd2 to see what the 200$ difference is?
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10. February 2006 @ 19:17 |
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L8ter,
I don't mean to throw rocks but the quality of ECS motherboards is very suspect. I've had several of them that I purchased from the same place (Fry's) as combos. Every one of them developed IDE controller problems. It took me 4 months to get a credit for a defective motherboard from outpost.com. Try newegg.com and try to stay with an Asus. As far as I am concerned, they are the best! Right now Newegg has several socket 939 motherboards that are refurbished, for very low prices. With the right CPU they will run rings around the Intel. Asus motherboards are a: outstanding and B:legendary for overclocking. Like I said, I consider them among the very best you can buy.
Sincerely,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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L8ter
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10. February 2006 @ 19:24 |
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that third link is intriguing and makes you wonder about where the industry is headed to bad it will not support the presslers (I'm assuming) it states in certain terms that the support of the 90nm power hungry smithfield 800 series is questionable!
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L8ter
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10. February 2006 @ 19:32 |
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I don't mean to throw rocks but the quality of ECS motherboards is very suspect. I've had several of them that I purchased from the same place (Fry's) as combos. Every one of them developed IDE controller problems. It took me 4 months to get a credit for a defective motherboard from outpost.com. Try newegg.com and try to stay with an Asus. As far as I am concerned, they are the best! Right now Newegg has several socket 939 motherboards that are refurbished, for very low prices. With the right CPU they will run rings around the Intel. Asus motherboards are a: outstanding and B:legendary for overclocking. Like I said, I consider them among the very best you can buy.
Sincerely,
theonejrs
hardly throwing rocks this is the feedback I was looking for!
as far as dealing w/ outpost I've heard there return's are time consuming (to say the least)but not a problem for me I know several managers at the local warehouse here (notice I say warehouse)
so I'm kinda there when time permit's!
so have you built a d9xx system or two yet?
any suggestions??
no flames but I really don't care for newegg and will be shopping locally!
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10. February 2006 @ 21:16 |
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WOW looks like a wild day.a fire77 really outdone me. pissed all off. Anyway my questions today:
1: how do i get my status changed on here i.e newbie, sr member etc.
2: More relavent...Asus motherboards are highly respected in this forum and is a proven product. I lean to Abit, only because I was lucky enough to have purchase one for the 438 platform using an intel processor and have had great sucess.
Let it be knowed, i have never used an asus mobo.
My Question is do you prefer Asus for the amd chip or both intel and amd?
Right now i am real happy with what I got. like brobear said keep what you got hanging around until things settle down. I hope I got that right.
I am really not looking to change any time soon as long as the newer software runs on my machine.
BROBEAR... i love that moving bear..how do you do that??
for what it is worth i may ask stupid questions at times but they seme relavent at the time.
and one last retort: its my birthday today. I am a 59 year old computer addict that know a lot, and knows nothing!
good night all!!!
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You're never too old to learn until you think so (qualified as some people have health problems). ;)
The bear is simply a gif loaded in my sig.
Member level is by post count. Be warned, we don't like cheerleader types that post just for the sake of making a count. They're a nuisance.
Asus boards are enthusiast favorites, AMD and Intel.
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11. February 2006 @ 01:14 |
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Sophocles
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"Mr. what the hell own a Dell" LOL
LOL Not too long ago I vaguely remember your having that 2.8 Northwood as your main squeeze. You remember, the one you were just bragging on for running so cool. Not all Pentiums were created equal. ;)
I bought my PC about 3 years ago, at the time AMD wasn't so popular. Luckily I got a Northwood on a decent board with the 875 Intel chipset, even if it is OEM locked. It doesn't hurt either that the PC in its present stock configuration compares to the high end single core AMD processors. On sale and getting suspected "pulls", I've found the 3.4 Northwood for $275. Regular retail is still running close to $700 and the Extreme Northwood 3.4 runs around $900 or more. These are just some of the prices when a person can find one. So, that's old tech and not something I'd tell someone to run out and get parts for a custom build. I like what I have, but I wouldn't tell someone to build a custom on this platform.
Also, as I mentioned on this thread; if I were to build a custom at present, it would be an AMD, probably an Opteron using Corsair or OCZ RAM, an Asus board, and the Cooler-Master case I listed earlier. Money permitting, I'd go with a Raid 0 using Raptors, and large WDs for storage. Is there anything like Intel's Matrix RAID for use with AMD systems? http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/matrixstorage_sb.htm
So, I owe no allegiance to either AMD or Intel. As I said, if I were to have a new system, it would be AMD dual core for a desktop and I like the looks of the Pentium Duo Core Centrino laptops. No matter what I get next, the Dell I have now will remain a backup unless someone cons me out of it. ;) Performance wise, the Dell I have is still competitive with the newer single core systems.
The Northwood is why I scratch my head and wonder where Intel went wrong. Fast and relatively cool. They had one at 3.4GHz with 2MB L2 Cache at 3.4GHz and an 800MHz FSB. (Too bad I don't have that one,) Only recently have the high end systems gone to a 1GHz FSB and with stock settings, some systems don't get there. That's old tech. Instead of improving, they've built some fireboxes. Only when confronted by AMD has Intel started moving in a more reasonable direction and started building more efficient processors with better memory handling.
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11. February 2006 @ 01:17 |
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On the topic of ECS boards, I know of a few people that have had bad experiences with them, but by the same token, I know someone who's had a bad experience with an MSI board (Complete failure), and another person who's had a bad experience with an Asus board (BIOS power interruptions - resetting). However, ECS boards generally are made cheaply, and they often suffer from things like noisy fans, or general not-working-properly-ness. I'd say stick with Asus, usually they're best, especially features-wise. You just have to know what you're doing, since tech support is kind of, well absent I suppose.
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