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4. February 2006 @ 08:42 |
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Sophocles,
Here's my old memory bandwidth at 3.60
Here's the same with the new memory and settings
I included the memory settings for both memory. I did a little bit of searching on the internet and set the memory settings in the bios. That's where I got the 2 2 2 6 setting from. I tried locking the memory at 400Mhz after I finished the settings but the computer would not boot. Would you suggest backing down the fronside bus in small increments to see if it will become stable and boot? Or would you recomend relaxing my memory settings, say to 2.5 3 3 8? I'm trying to find the right balance between cpu speed and memory speed. By the way, I am using the Manual settings in the bios, not the 20% automatic.
theonejrs
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4. February 2006 @ 09:19 |
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theonjrs
That's a significant gain, but you will really see it grow when you go AMD because AMD's handle memory a lot better than Intel does.
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5. February 2006 @ 15:01 |
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Completely of topic i know.. But where should i put my thermal sensor for my computer?
Thanx, And nice to see everyone is still here! :)
And i have herd that on toms Hardware, they used a 3.6 and did a test over and over again, And the stats got worse and worse.. Because of the heat with the stock heat sunk and fan.. :0 Is this true info?
Thanx again,
Ryan
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5. February 2006 @ 15:23 |
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Yes. The more a chip heats the paths start to expand and resistance starts to grow..thus you lose performance. The best place for a thermal sensor is right smak dab between the cpu heat sink and cpu.
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6. February 2006 @ 05:13 |
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Sophocles,
I finally figured it out. I was trying to use the thumbnails. Here's my Asus Probe under full load.
These temps are running the Burn-in Wizard math test continuosly at 100% CPU load. I think the Zalman 9500 is a winner!
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7. February 2006 @ 10:52 |
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Hi Sophocles I am new to this and was wondering if you had any advice about switching from a 2.8HT p4 800 mhz fsb to a AMD 3700+, would I see a differance in gaming and overall performance for my computer? Please help...
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7. February 2006 @ 11:35 |
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Hell yes!! Overclock it and you'll think you just dumped an old celeron. LOL
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7. February 2006 @ 14:44 |
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SOPHOCLES....THE SYSTEM I CURRENTLY HAVE IS A 2.8 P4 HT , 160 GB HDD , ATI X800XL AGP, THERMALTAKE SOPRANO CASE 430 WATT PWR SUPPLY , 1GB PC3200, HOPING A SWITCH TO AMD WILL GIVE ME THE WOW FACTOR ....
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7. February 2006 @ 15:00 |
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afire77
Unless you're angry for some reason, drop the caps. The 3700 at stock speeds would wipe out your 2.8 P4 and would give you a sginificant gain in frames per second. Overclock and it'll make your system look like a dated laptop.
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7. February 2006 @ 15:48 |
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lol sorry about the caps
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7. February 2006 @ 16:33 |
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No problem I didn't think that you meant anything by it.
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7. February 2006 @ 16:49 |
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Hey guys, 3700+ or 3500+? Its like 10 or 20 dollars more. I know that the 3700+ has 1 mb cache, but doesn't support dual channel. Does the 1 mb cache beat out the performance of dual channel mem controller?
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7. February 2006 @ 17:52 |
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Sohocles,
I finaly got the the pci bus locked and have been bumping it up slowly testing playing games etc. Heat seems to be a non issue with my p-4 prescott. I am up to 3.6 now and temps are about 41 idle and gets up to abot 55-57 full load. But now i am getting a drop out every once and a while playing games. are there any more tweeks that can be done?Mushkin extreme perfomance dual channel ram
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7. February 2006 @ 18:14 |
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Drop it to about 3.5-3.55 whatever is closest and run it a while and see how well it works.
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7. February 2006 @ 18:14 |
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kronos288
Get the 3700 it has more L2 cache.
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7. February 2006 @ 18:16 |
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So the dual channel capability of the 3500+ doesn't make it match the 3700+'s performance?
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7. February 2006 @ 19:31 |
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Sophocles
will do that. i drop it to 3.50 then i'll bump it up ina couple of days thanks
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7. February 2006 @ 20:35 |
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All athlon 64 amd chips have intergrated mem controllers. I know. I own a 3700 athlon 64 san diego.
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8. February 2006 @ 02:12 |
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The 3700 and the 3500 only differ by their L2 cache. The 3700 has the same core and L2 cache as the FX57.
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8. February 2006 @ 12:14 |
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The 3700 does support dual channel, why wouldn't it?
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8. February 2006 @ 14:54 |
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You may think temps are a nonissue with your Prescott. However, they are the known "firecracker" of Intel CPUs. Follow Theonejrs' example and improve the cooling. You'll probably notice improvements, if nothing else, you'll be able to keep the system stable at higher OCed settings.
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8. February 2006 @ 15:15 |
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To Sophocles:
Do you think that the Opteron 146 is a good option since zipzoomfly.com offers it for 189 bux? Also is this cpu considered very overclockable and is it a 939 socket cpu? I ask because zipzoomfly has it as a socket 939 but other sites say it is so cheap because it is a sock 940 800mhz fsb cpu.
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8. February 2006 @ 15:45 |
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It's a good chip and it over clocks well(all opterons are good for over clocking). It's going down in price to make room for single chip dual core opterons. It's a socket 940 so it won't work in socket 939 boards. The number in an opteron (IE 175 equals a single socket board) tells you how many you can socket in a single board. If the first number is a 1 then you can socket 1 and if its a two then 2. If you're just looking for a single chip solution and you have the right board for it then go for it but if you have a 939 board with a single chip then I would recommend the AMD 64 3700 for a little more in price, it has the same core and L1 and L2 cache as the current opteron models and is just about as overclockable. Plus you would have the benefit of a slighly higher clock multiplier (11 times versus 10 times).
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8. February 2006 @ 15:52 |
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Hello Sophocles,
I'm planning to buy a new computer and would love your expertise on the following: Which cpu to get, Intel's fastest, or the Amd fastest 64 dual 2x 4200 or (Amd's top of the line)? Although, I am just a novice, play simple games like flash and 19.95 downloads, I still want to have the fastest computer cpu that I can see the speed. Currently, I have a Pentium 4, 2.4 mhz cpu with 512mb ram, 7200 rpm 80 gb hard drives, and a cheap 256 mb generic video card. I would appreciate your opinion and any further thoughts you may have for a novice, regarding this. Also, if a stock system exists that you can recommend as I can't really do overclocking, etc.
Thanks so much for your opinion. I only wish I could learn 1% of what you know about computers.
Sincerely,
Miles E. Stone, M.D.(retired)
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8. February 2006 @ 17:39 |
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brobear, I didn't meant temps were not an issue at all. I do have a real good cooling system even though it is air. I have tried the zalman 9500 which was a wee better then the thermal take polo 735 vs2.
so I then went with thermal take pipe101 with a VANTEC TD9238H tornado 82 mm fan with 119 cfm. idle to me is downloading a file from the internet while searching throught the web, while lisiting to sirius radio. if i just let it set doing nothing I get temps below 35. noisy as all get out, but when your playing Call Of Duty 2 with 7.1 sound going on you really do not notice. I would really love to go water cool, but my extra money comes from snowplowing in the winter. It started off with a bang, but fizzled out like a p-3! Just a lil note to all. I have been reading all the post. And you guys are making me a beliver in AMD. You guys never seem to have the same issues (as much) as a intel. So when I get ready to do another build, i will certainly ask for help and it will be amd.
To sophocles, nice choice on mother board!
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