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23. February 2006 @ 11:34 |
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Unfortunately for Sophocles, none of the 4 apply. LOL Well, to tell the truth, he likes to get loaded and annoy people on the internet. LOL
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23. February 2006 @ 11:46 |
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he likes to get loaded and annoy people on the internet. LOL
And who's the one that's always typing out the lyrics to the song Rye Whiskey or talkng about shots ot tequila? LOL
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23. February 2006 @ 12:38 |
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:D :D :D
Note I've amended my signiature to count in both Sli and crossfire, don't want to seem biased.
The thing about "last frame possible" though is that it's at the expense of frames in a large number of games, so performance really is actually lower, but people who've spent all that money can't seem to get it. The only SLi combo that works well is 6600GTs but for the money of two of those you could trounce them with one 6800GT and have change.
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23. February 2006 @ 12:58 |
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It wasn't your point that was a little off, it was how you made.:) I'm in agreement with you in practice and occassionally I say the wrong thing too but what you said could have beens said without making it personal. Trust me brobear knows! LOL
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23. February 2006 @ 13:15 |
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Yeah I didn't really want it to turn out as a personal dig, more an "i don't agree with your practice" but I think the concept quite sucks overall, and it's hard to achieve both points at the same time. No hard feelings meant to those who do use SLi, well in particular 7800GTXs, as in many games you work out paying well over $10 per fps. That's a lot, considering the X800GTO manages quite a few games for less than $2/fps.
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23. February 2006 @ 13:21 |
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i don't agree with your practice
What are you talking about? I didn't say I had a practice and I ceratinly wasn't asking you to agree with anything that I've said. What I did say was in practice, meaning that I agree with what you said regarding SLI and that I only disagreed with how you said it!!! Now if you have a problem with that then it's yours and yours alone.
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23. February 2006 @ 13:28 |
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I think AMD is made for gaming, browsing the internet, and office and some other programs. Intel is better at 3D software, watching movies/playing music, and running almost all programs and converting. I now use and AMD since I mostly go on the internet, play games, and watch movies.
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23. February 2006 @ 13:35 |
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There is no difference in how AMD or Intel chips play movies or music, because neither are particularly demanding tasks. As far as 3D is concerned AMD is now and have been for a long time much better than Intel. That's why AMD is better at gaming because most games are 3D. It used to be that AMD chips were better for gaming and Intel chips were better for encoding but now AMD is winning at both.
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23. February 2006 @ 13:40 |
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Hi, I have checked benchmarks online and I found that Intel was better at converting media on about 8/10 programs. The reason I said that the Intel was better at playing videos is because with my old INtel pentium 4 2.8 GHz when i played a song or video it played perfectly from startup to end but with my new AMD 3200+ 2.0 GHz at the startup it plays the video or song for 2 seconds and the visualization foe the song or the video freezes for about 3 or 4 seconds and I think its because of the clock speed the 2.0 GHz versus the 2.8. Thats why I said this. Also with the AMD I remember somewhere I saw that it said that the AMD is better for gaming but the Intel is better at 3D game creation or somehting like that.
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23. February 2006 @ 14:01 |
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Then that's a problem with your system not your CPU. I have three systems. One is a P4 overclocked to 3.2 Ghz, another is a AMD 3500+ Venice core at 2.75 Ghz, and the last is a dual coare AMD Opteron 175 currently at 2.67 Ghz. My single core AMD 3500+ is about 40% faster thna my higer clocked P4 and it beats it at everything and my opteron beats them both. If you have an older AMD chip then your problem is one of time and poor system configuration but to be fair I will read any of those 8 of 10 reviews you were talking about. Just post the links but I don't think that you're going to find any recent reviews that supports your claims.
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23. February 2006 @ 14:21 |
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I can't find the otehr less benchmarks one but heres another of 36 pages: http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/01/06/revving_up_in_the_new_year/ . As you can see in the beginning is the video 3D tests which clearly AMD is much greater with greater fps. Then during the program tests the Intel performs better than the AMD which most of the tests. At first it shows the seconds where Intel's is lower and then it shows score which Intel has higher on.
Also you were saying there was something wrong with my system and not my CPU. I'll list my computer stats and you can tell me what is wrong. :D . Amd socket 939 3200+ at 2.0 GHz clock speed and 2.0 Front Side Bus, 1024 MB ram 400 MHz, 300 GB HD Pata-133, ATI Radeon x800gt, ASROCK Dual-Sata 2 Motherboard, and a 400 watt power supply. I would also like to mention that I just built my computer in late October of 2005 so the CPU is not that old. Thanks. :D .
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23. February 2006 @ 14:56 |
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23. February 2006 @ 15:14 |
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Well I checked the second link and well the Intel was better. Out of the 21 tests the Intel is better at 13 of them. AMD wins 5 and the other 3 are tied. AMD though wins all the gaming tests.
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23. February 2006 @ 16:45 |
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23. February 2006 @ 18:11 |
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I looked at the second link and AMD won 7 of 7 rounds.
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23. February 2006 @ 18:23 |
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And who's the one that's always typing out the lyrics to the song Rye Whiskey or talkng about shots ot tequila? LOL
I distinctly remember the last topic was vodka with a Bloody Caesar. LOL Appears you were wrong ; I spend my money for things other than a cycle. ;) The wife still limits the pets I can have though.
Now if Intel would get off their duff and build some competitive performance CPUs, we'd have something to disagree on. ;) I hate to keep agreeing AMD has the better performance. However, for the more mundane services rendered by PCs, both AMD and Intel give good service. I agree, for playing videos and music, if they don't play properly, the owner needs to see what's wrong with the system. The problem wouldn't be directly related to the CPU being an AMD or Intel.
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23. February 2006 @ 18:54 |
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Bro, I didn't read it incorrectly the Intel beats the AMD in encoding programs. I have writtewn out the clear winners and will post the pictures under this. These will show that INtel is better with encoding programs and some others. Also when i mentioned INtel was faster I didn't mean in the essence of HTML/Programming. Thanks.
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23. February 2006 @ 19:03 |
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Spider,
It sounds to me like you are using Windows Media Player. If you are get yourself a decent DVD player program. Power DVD 5 is my favorite although Win DVD is pretty good too. I first ran Power DVD 5 on my old Dell 420 Workstation, when it was a single P3 733 with 256 RIMM Memory. Worked flawlesly. Are you using your burner to watch the video? There are a lot of burners out there that are not very good players!
I'm a little baffeled by the link you visited and then came back and said:Quote:
Well I checked the second link and well the Intel was better.
. I went to the second link (CNet) and AMD won every round. Even the lowley (?????) 64x2 3800+ beat the Intels best in some tests!
By the way! Check my sig! You will see that I'm in the Intel camp for the moment. If it wasn't for this forum and Clan Afterdawn, I would still be using a Dell 3000 3.0/800 and hating it. Next move for me is an AMD 64x2 4400+ on an Asus SLI motherboard. I may be foolish at times, but I'm not stupid. I think Intel is going to push "Quad Core" and stay with higher clock speeds. I think that AMD will answer back with a "Quad Core" of it's own based on the "Toledo and Denmark" chips (that's what the rumours say). With a much better chip design, AMD will continue to run lower clock speeds on a much more efficient platform. April and May should be very interesting months. Especially for this forum.
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23. February 2006 @ 19:20 |
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Even thought I hate internet explorer I love Windows Media Player. Also the problem isn't really that big it's just that when i open a song like then i minimize WMP and go back to it the visualization will be frozen for like 2 seconds but the song will keep playing and the visualization will start again. I never experienced this with my Intel soo i just thought the Intel was better for it. As for me saying the second link showed the Intel as being better that wa smy mistake. I meant the first link.
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23. February 2006 @ 19:32 |
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Spider323
you may want to check that you have the latest drivers and your memory might be the problem.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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23. February 2006 @ 19:38 |
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Spider323
One other thought is
maybe the motherboard is suspect or the power supply.
on the thought of the drivers, it has been awhile since you built your system so could be lots of updates you need to do?
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
LG 20.1 FLATRON WIDESCREEN/BFG 6800 ultra@450 mgz/2 wd raptor 150 raid/Ultra 500 watt Direct connet ps
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23. February 2006 @ 19:43 |
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Nah, it's really not a problem. Two second of visualization stopping beginning of videos once in while isn't big problem. I think its just Windows Media Player starting and loading up.
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23. February 2006 @ 20:07 |
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Sophocles,
I turned off the Paging File and the difference is quite noticable. Everything executes much faster including the programs that load and show on the taskbar when XP starts.
I have a couple of questions for you about my BIOS. Under DRAM idle timer the options are:Infinite, 0T, 8T, 16T, 64T and Auto. What do these settings mean and do you have any suggestions for me as to setting them?
Under DRAM refresh mode the options are:Auto, 15.6 uSec, 7.8 uSec and 64 uSec. Same question?
Under Graphics Aperture size the options are:Auto, 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, 128MB and 256MB. Again, same question.
One more quick question. Should I have the Spread Spectrum enabled or disabled?
Thanking you in advance,
theonejrs
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24. February 2006 @ 00:46 |
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@theonejrs
My opinion?
Infinite
15.6 uSec
64MB,
Spread Spectrum, Disabled
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24. February 2006 @ 02:40 |
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Spider323
You are correct. There are some tests you can find where a 3.6 p4 will beat out a slower 2.4 Athlon on a Via chipset.
By the same token if you go 2.8 ghz Athlon to match with the 3.6 on a decent motherboard it will beat the p4 hands down even in your pet tests.
If you had read the thread this has been covered in detail with test results.
As for your software/hardware difficulties, they can be fixed but you have to start by eliminating what isn't the problem. The processor.
Diagnose the problem.
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