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boxwrench
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12. May 2006 @ 21:43 |
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Thanks for the link Neph,I was just reading the specs. on the Zalman 9500,I wonder how the two would compare.hmmm... and about $30.00 cheaper too.
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brobear
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12. May 2006 @ 22:10 |
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I know lately the main focus has been on Intels ...
New toy, the D805 has emerged as the new OC(er) delight. The other hundred and some pages has mostly been AMD. ;) Intel fans finally have something to talk about and tinker with. That's a nice looking cooler you pointed out. It looks similar to the Zalman 9500. The same Zalman works for a variety of mobo applications, both AMD and Intel boards. The Zalman off my socket 478 Intel will also mount to the socket 939 AMD boards (just change some mounting hardware).
Theonejrs
As I mentioned earlier, due to weight one needs to be careful with the systems with the Zalman coolers, but as I said, some common sense precautions, such as the one you mentioned of transporting the PC on it's side covers most issues. I think it would take a good bump to knock a properly mounted cooler loose. I'm not going to throw mine to the floor to see just how much though. ;) Glad you reinforced what I said about the fit and visiting the Zalman site for measuring specs and listings.
As for me, I like the design of the Zalman "coolers"; especially the way the big fan is set up to move air through the system as well as passing it across the heatsink or heat tubes. I'm sold until someone shows me better. I suspect if they were breaking a lot of boards, we would have heard about it by now.
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13. May 2006 @ 03:50 |
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I know lately the main focus has been on Intels
We have to toss the Intel users a bone every now and then just to keep the thread moving.:)
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13. May 2006 @ 05:13 |
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The main thing is the Intel $130 dual core. It is like the Yugo automobile. A lot of people purchased it just because of the price.
It is still a 200+ watt double prescott. Intel has a really hot product:)
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13. May 2006 @ 06:16 |
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I'm not going to throw mine to the floor to see just how much though. ;)
Aw! Now someone else is going to have to do it. Hmm! Perhaps theonejrs could be convinced?
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13. May 2006 @ 06:26 |
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It is like the Yugo automobile. A lot of people purchased it just because of the price.
The only reason people purchased a Yugo was because of the price! <G>
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13. May 2006 @ 09:41 |
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Sophocles,
I'll pass! Let someone else do the testing!
brobear,
Actually, there were 3 reviews that mentioned the CPU being pulled out of the socket and one where the socket broke off the MB!
ScubaBud,
Hey, no fair picking on the Yugo! It's a wonderfull exercise in how to build a car out of re-enforced Kleenex. Only car I ever saw that you could dent the fender by just rapping on it with your knuckles!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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aabbccdd
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13. May 2006 @ 10:09 |
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come on guys we need a ginny pig to test that Intel Dual-Core ,whos it gonna be my vote goes to brobear LMAO !! or we can all chip in 20 dollars and pick someone to test it.
iam still sticking with the AMD Opterom 175 Demark even though its about 500 bucks maybe in June it will be 400.00 we can hope anyway right theonejrs.
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13. May 2006 @ 10:23 |
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aabbccdd,
I'm hoping for the prices to drop even more.
By the way, I found the perfect cooler for the D-805!
http://www.air-n-water.com/product/DA-7F67.html
Just install it in place of the left side cover. Should keep it cool! He He!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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aabbccdd
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13. May 2006 @ 11:59 |
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LMAO!!! yes that should work fine hehe .Junes not to far away i cant wait
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brobear
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13. May 2006 @ 14:42 |
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Those prices are going to have to drop fast, as noted, June is right around the corner.
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It's a wonderfull exercise in how to build a car out of re-enforced Kleenex. Only car I ever saw that you could dent the fender by just rapping on it with your knuckles!
I thought they'd dent if you blew your nose. LOL In comparison to the D805 though, that would be like getting a Yugo home and finding someone had stuck a racing engine under the hood. Almost too "hot" for the box to carry. ;)
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13. May 2006 @ 14:54 |
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If enough people send me $20, I'll gladly be the guinea pig for the build. Might even have enough money for a few brews if everyone isn't being tight fisted. LOL Enough donations and I might just take a short vacation and do the build on the beach. ;) I'll remember to clean out the sand before starting the tests. LOL
Theonejrs
Don't forget the matching exhuast fan for the other side of the case, you need that for good cross flow.
If I ever get mad and throw my PC around and break the Zalman off, I'll have to write an article on it. Give me some links, I'd like to see what happened to break those boards. I haven't seen any cracks or sags on my mobo and I've got the heaviest Zalman made with no board reinforcement.
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13. May 2006 @ 16:07 |
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So you guys seem kinda skeptical that the D805 is as good as advertised? Why, cuz of the price?
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13. May 2006 @ 16:46 |
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I don't mean to interrupt the current slant of this thread but had to report a convert. Being a newly married man with child gave me an extra break on yearly taxes and found myself with a little play money and the wife says I can buy 1 toy. Do 3 components count or is it 1 computer??? Details , details. Switching from Intel to AMD
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103546
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131540
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130284
The only item I am borderline uncertain about is the 7600GT video card, but I am certain I want Nvidia due to the Nforce4 chipset of the mobo. I had bad experiences before mixing ATI and Nvidia and that headache is best left for a more advanced user than I. I saved this in my wish list and will sleep (and drink) on it until morning (its 9PM where I'm at) so I hope one of the faithful here either encourages me or points me in a better direction for about the same price outlay.
After stalking this thread forever, finally something postworthy.
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sytyguy
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13. May 2006 @ 17:07 |
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13. May 2006 @ 17:17 |
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brobear
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13. May 2006 @ 17:19 |
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One or the other of us is getting the wrong take on the humor here. So far as the D805 is concerned the BO stepping has turned out to be an OC(er) delight. It's still not the best CPU as far as performance goes, but it's the "best bang for the buck". It doesn't have all the bells and whistles accompanying the higher end processors, but at that price one doesn't expect them. No HT, but then it's dual core and that's better than a single core with HT. It costs about $800 to move up to a dual core Smithfield with HT and it isn't as OC friendly. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116214 So the D805 is a steal for what one pays.
We all know, or should, that the Smithfields are hot, literally. LOL But it's something that can be overlooked if a good "cooler" can handle it; which the Zalman 9500 is apparently doing. The final push to the limits over 4.0GHz with water is pretty much bragging rights and an exercise in "how far can it go". The specs under 4 will make most users happy. We just can't help those "heater" jokes. AMD made some of their own along the way. Most of us like poking a little fun to indicate that even though things look good, there's usually a down side somewhere. Just wanting people to be down to earth in their thinking. I'd buy a D805 in a heartbeat if I didn't have a houseboat in drydock siphoning away all my spare money. Still it wouldn't be my main choice for a performance system. For the high end at a decent price, the Opterons (170-175) still have it in my book, at least for now.
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13. May 2006 @ 17:47 |
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Good choices, only I'd go for the 175 Opteron over the 4400, better binning and not that much difference in price. nVidia is okay, but I don't see ATI as being that trouble prone. Sophocles is using an ATI based card and I've heard nothing but rave reviews with it on the Asus board (same as the one you're looking at). He's used both and has a little bit of experience building PCs. I trust his knowledge on selecting compatible components. As I said though, if nVidia is your desire, they do the job.
To sum it up, my feelings are get an Opteron 175. Then, if you can't squeeze it in now, get a big WD Raptor later on. That'll help keep the HDD from bottlenecking the CPU when you OC it. You are going to tweak it, aren't you?
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brobear
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13. May 2006 @ 17:50 |
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A 4200 at 4.4GHz? Where'd they hide the liquid nitrogen tanks? Someone needs to tell them that you don't multiply the frequency by the number of cores. It that was the case, then the D805 can run nearly 8GHZ and even faster with water cooling. Nah...
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bobsatguy
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13. May 2006 @ 17:50 |
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I repair comp's,, 9 of 10 that need hardware repair have an AMD in them, they run very HOT.. With enough fans and exhaust holes drilled they can last for many years, however all electronics that run HOT are damaged far sooner than electronics cooler. Fans tend to draw in dust piles that clog up, unless cleaned regularly. Not just a CPU change out on those AMD's, but Ram, powersupplies, & motherboards as well, so unless gaming speed is a must stay away from Amd, I have yet to replace an intel chipset yet.
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13. May 2006 @ 17:57 |
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I can't wait for the replies on that last post! <G>
Hot?!?!? Does the word Prescott mean anything?
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13. May 2006 @ 18:01 |
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Usually, most people claim the opposite, Intels running hotter than AMDs. As I mentioned earlier though, not all AMDs were cool and not all Intels hot. Strangely enough, I've seen more PCs succumb to cigarette smoke than from more natural causes. I can look in a PC and tell if it's been in a smoking environment.
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brobear
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13. May 2006 @ 18:02 |
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LOL Think Smithfield along with those Prescotts. Most of the 90 nm Intels are warm.
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sytyguy
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13. May 2006 @ 18:31 |
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brobear,
Yeah, I noticed that, so what, the price is pretty darn good. However, one could question his knowledge.
Rich
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boxwrench
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13. May 2006 @ 18:52 |
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bobsatguy
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I repair comp's,, 9 of 10 that need hardware repair have an AMD in them, they run very HOT..
I have had four different Amd systems.
Athlon 3000+ Barton
Sempron 3100+
Athlon 64 3400+
and my present system using the dual core 3800 x 2. I have never under any circumstances seen a temperature over 45c...Oh,forgot to mention I also have a Intel p-4 Prescott that idles near that temp.
Please don't take this personally but I think your customers must be putting they're computers in they're ovens!
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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