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@theonejrs,
No offence taken.But do you think intel would be stupid enough to try something underhanded to give themselves an unfair advantage with the pre-release tests of their new cpu?Knowing this cpu when released will have the pants tested off it,the independent results will have to compare with what we have already seen otherwise it could turn into a total marketing failure for them.And thats not really what they need right now.
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Just came across this for anyone thats interested:
Abit Computer plans to migrate half of its motherboard capacity, mostly entry-level production, to Elitegroup Computer Systems (ECS) by the end of October, according to the company. Production of Abit?s high-end segment will continue to be manufactured at its Suzhou plant in China before agreements with new contract makers are reached, said the company.
Abit is in talks with several companies for a property transfer of its Suzhou plant. If transfer agreements are settled, the new owners of the plant will help Abit manufacture its high-end product line, the company noted.
Abit is looking to clear total loans of NT$4.2 billion (US$128.7 million) by the end of this year, before a new board of directors takes over the company.
Full story here:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050922A7040.html
In the old thread someone,(cant remember who it was) said ECS boards are lucky to last the warranty period.
Does this mean the new entry level ABIT boards should be avoided?
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this discussion will go on forever
but facts are amd is better
it has much higher front side bus speeds
all of there processors have switched over to 64-bit
the only real bad thing i can see with amd is no support for ddr2,.. which they already taken care of with the AM2 processors check them out
AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 processor:
check out tigerdirect.com
this is from tigerdirect:
The First AM2 Dual-Core FX processor.
Ultimate PC Processor For 3D Games& More!
Providing unparalleled PC performance on 3D games and intense applications, the new AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 processor allows power-hungry users to experience the next generation of Dual-Core threaded games with intense and realistic graphic resolutions. The AMD Athlon 64 FX processor runs on AMD64, a revolutionary technology that 1) allows the processor to run 32-bit applications at full speed while enabling the coming wave of powerful, 64-bit software applications, and 2) provides Enhanced Virus Protection when used with the upcoming Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2). AMD64 technology shatters barriers to new and advanced software that require 64-bit technology and blazing processor performance. Power-hungry enthusiasts, gamers, and prosumers can explore dual-core technology designed to get the most out of today?s highest end dual GPU solutions.
Next Generation Platform is Here
Socket AM2 from AMD is designed to enable next-generation platform innovations such as AMD Virtualization and high-performance, unbuffered DDR2 memory to the award-winning AMD64 architecture. This new technology is for prosumers and digital enthusiasts who are looking to run sophisticated, multiple processor-intense applications simultaneously. With socket AM2, AMD brings new capabilities like AMD Virtualization to both commercial and consumer users. Virtualization on desktop computers allows a single PC to act like multiple virtual machines. AMD Virtualization can enable client computers to seamlessly support multiple operating environments. Therefore, IT managers can now gain the ability to develop and test software across multiple operating systems on a single computer to facilitate software migrations, isolate business and personal operating environments to increase security and reliability, and to initialize and manage client computers with less interruption to end users. AMD Virtualization helps make it easier for PC enthusiasts to upgrade and maintain their PCs through emulation.
New DDR2 Support Jump Starts Transfer Rates
DDR2 memory is the next generation of DDR memory that supports the open standards efforts of the Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council (JEDEC), the governing body for integrated circuit specifications. It uses an advanced signaling scheme that can offer higher data transfer rates than DDR1 memory. The advanced signaling scheme mentioned above allows high transfer rates using traditional PC motherboard manufacturing techniques. DDR2 benefits to customers include lower voltage and higher frequency headroom than DDR1 memory. Socket AM2 processors from AMD will support DDR2 speeds of 400MHz, 533MHz, 667MHz and, for AMD Athlon? 64 X2 dual-core and AMD Athlon? 64 FX dual-core processors, 800MHz.
It?s YOUR processor!. Serve. Create. Play. Extreme multi-tasking opens up worlds of possibility. Because of today?s growing availablity of multi-threaded software games, 3D gamers who seek to break the limits on application performance, may now take advantage of its benefits through the incredible performance of the new dual-core AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 processor
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crowy,
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But do you think intel would be stupid enough to try something underhanded to give themselves an unfair advantage with the pre-release tests of their new cpu?
They have done it before, and more than once so nothing would surprise me. This was back in the 386 era when their chips ran at 33MHz. When AMD came out with a 40MHz chip, Intel tried to convince MB manufacturers not to support the higher clock speed that the AMDs ran. I think the only ones they maybe convinced was I.B.M. Their 386 boards never went higer than 33MHz in spite of AMDs 40MHz chip being available. I'm not sure about their 486 boards but I remember that Intel had a 486DX-2 that ran on a quad pumped buss of 25MHz. AMDs offering would run double speed at an unheard of 50MHz bus. Intel quickly made their CPUs work the same way. Very fast for it's time. That's what started the whole motherboard revolution. Back in those days there were very few MB manufacturers. Asus was one of the first to cater to the "Enthusiast" and quickly saw a market no one else saw at the time. Geeks mostly! Linux users. Hackers! Guys like you and me came later and Asus expanded their market They've been catering to us guys ever since. Intel had more rumurs and vaporware than anybody. If I remember rightly the phrase "Vaporware" was first coined because of Intel promising but not delivering too many times!
I guess that means I believe Intel would do it again!
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got the 512 memory for the amdk6, slaped it in and bang... 500mgz chiprunning like a bat out of hell. you got to give the old girl time to catch up on the dsl. It would be fun to see the sis benchmarks though!
Thanks again
Oh question running the d805 against my p-4 3.2... winner?
tell me what you think of thismobo from abit
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@theonejrs,
Thats fair enough I will take your word for it.
But I think today with the internet being so mainstream,
all the test/review sites around that cant wait to prove or disprove what Intel has shown so far and the amount of software(and hardware) available today to test what the manufacturers claim, I dont think they could afford to make false claims as there are to many computer savvy people that will be the majority of buyers for these high end CPUs.
P.S.Don't mention spelling!-)
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Sorry for the triple post!!!
Not sure what happened,posted a reply and it showed up 3 times??
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crowy,
I don't get the spelling??? I know my spelling isn't great but I'm not a professional web page designer.
Today it's even easier to fool people because every Tom, Dick and Harry that wants to put something on the Internet can. whether it's right or wrong, the truth or a lie. It doesn't matter, most people only need to read it or hear it to believe it. If it's on the TV, in a newspaper or on the internet, they'll believe it. people besides enthusiasts like ourselves just don't know any better and they take full advantage of it to sell crummy stuff to the general public for more money than something really good would have cost. We all know that. That's why we build our own, because we know better!
Having seen the things that went on at the begining of the PC era, nothing surprises me anymore. Tell you a funny. When the 386/16MHz first came out most people believed that I.B.M. would be the first to market them. Compaq in completely secret manuvering, won that war by several months. Talk about raining on I.B.M.'s parade! They were all set to astound the world with this new super computer and Compaq walks in and drops theirs on the table. It was one of the best kept secrets in computer history! $3400 for a 486/16MHz with a full height 40MB IDE drive, 4 megs of static ram and a 12" Green monochrome monitor. In non-Turbo mode it ran at 8MHz. That was like 20 something years ago.
You never know what is going to happen until it happens. If I had a list of all the vaporware, software included, that has been pronised over the years but never delivered, I could lay it out and walk from here to England. I don't mean by fly by night outfits either. Lotus 123 was so long in coming that the first release was not complete and it wouldn't do everything promised. Microsoft was no better either. When Windows 95 was released, Beta versions had been around for quite q while. I bought windows 95 because I liked the beta version. 95 wound up being completely different and not near as good. Even after M$ said that it would be the same only more refined. It wasn't! The point is pre-production stuff, made for shows and things like that but somehow never released to the public abounded in those days. I remember going to the CES the first time and seeing the sales tactics of Intel. A customer would ask about a certain AMD processor and the Intel guys would tell them they were junk and that they wouldn't last even though they knew they were lying as the AMDs were just as good if not better! Nobody sued anybody for slander, it was just the way business was done in those days. Today it's all Silver tongued devils trying to convince you that their product is better even though it often isn't. Today they can lie about their own products and even bad mouth the competition to a degree but don't get caught lying about your competitor's products or you'll wind up in Court for slander! Thank God htose days are over for good!!!
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Theonejrs: Glad things worked out! Lol I'm amazed Intel even spoke about overclocking!
Crowy: Quote:
But do you think intel would be stupid enough to try something underhanded to give themselves an unfair advantage with the pre-release tests of their new cpu?
Yes, yes I do.
Oh dear. Oh dear indeed, no buying Abit boards any more then!
Yes indeed they should.
Vegeta66: Lol, nice try, but even though I'm an AMD supporter that doesn't enthrall me. You could do the same for the lowest of the low graphics card and have just as much good to say about how revolutionary it is. Shops just put maximum amount of shine onto anything to get it shifted.
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Oh question running the d805 against my p-4 3.2... winner?
tell me what you think of this mobo from abit
The D805, even at 2.66! There are some things that the single core can do better, even as far as benchmarks go but overall the slowest??? dual-core is still way faster. It's all about thruput. With 2 cores, even slow ones like the D805 at 2.66 you can move more data than a single core, so even if it's clock is slower, it's still faster because you are moving about twice as much data. It's like a 2 lane road vs 1 lane. 2 lanes can move twice as many cars at the same speed than a 1 lane. To speed up the one lane to move as many cars as the 2 lane you would have to double their speed!
Nice MB. Should perform very well. Don't know much about crossfire though and can't find it anywhere for sale yet. Wouldn't do very much for me as I need a parallel port for my old scanner.
Here's one from
Asus that's under $90. Looks pretty interesting!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131578
It has the Nfource 4 chipset. ask Sophocles about this chipset as I believe his SLI has it!
This one should be the best of the best if you are willing to pay the $229 for it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131589
It has the 975 chipset so it should be compatable with the future Conroe! Intel says it will but I'll wait and see
Both handle up to 8GB of memory and I already checked compatability and they are both on Asus's list for the Pentium D and G.
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theonejrs
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Put it this way, eventually when dual core enabled apps are about, you're looking at a 5.33Ghz core, albeit a slow one. That's serious competition for a 3.2!
How do you go about comparing a 939 nForce 4 SLi to a 775 one though?
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How do you go about comparing a 939 nForce 4 SLi to a 775 one though?
For a minute there I thought I had pulled a rock so I looked again. Both MBs are socket 775. The Nfource 4 is the Intel Edition!
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Now at 2650mhz
CPU temp 24degrees!!(both cores)reading from bios cpu sensor.
Stock voltage.
Outside at the moment is about 3 degrees celsius.
This room is about 4 degrees!!
The rest of the house is warm but purposely keep this room as cold as possible for the benefit of the computer.
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Well, the noble work experiment died this morning. I found out real quick that I no longer have the health to do this 40 hours a week. I guess I'll collect some unemployment and when that runs out, retire! As much as I liked the money, it's no good to me if I croak. I also have the place I used to work wanting me for a couple of 3 days a week, so I won't starve, not to mention I've been pretty busy repairing computers so I'm not lying around doing nothing. Oh well, part of life's balancing act. Less money but more time to spend it!
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AMDzone has tested the Athlon FX62 and the X2 5000+ and the article is here. The AMD X2 5000+ faced the D950, the FX62 and the FX60.
AMDZone has a lot of benchmarks on their website - If you are slightly overwhelmed and confused by the results then you are not alone - and they also managed to overclock both CPU by quite a bit. The FX62 and the 5000+ went all the way to 3.2GHz with stock cooling. AMDZone's concluding phrase however, shows that performance crown lies elsewhere in Intel land.
Hexus also has a review of the AM2 up there. Unlike AMDzone though, they have a full set of NDAed benchmarks from Core 2 Duo and these figures they say, will make AMD's latest attempt to go to the top slot seems positively useless.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31913
doesn't seen intel isdoing to bad
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maybe you could become a mod and make the big bucks...I hear they only get a tee shirt though.
But unemployment+ 3 days work(cash)=$$$
thats the only time of year i can make some$$$ unemployment and snowplowing(cash).
I like the abit board, but can't find it for sale...and customer service..no help. THe asus board looks good too. I've alway used Abit. But i have cofidence in abit now. A friend of mine gave me his old compaq. I looked at it and found it had a bad power supply. To make a long story short, I got him a new ps and that one fried. Closer inspection revealed a crack in the mobo right by the power caps! Now this is a 2.4 p-4( Non ht) 80 gig hd dvd burner cd rom and 512 ram. I tell him lets just get a new mobo. he says just keep it for my expence on the ps. So I ordered a new case with ps in it and picked up a asus p4v8x-mx. Slaped it together installed a fresh copy of windows(used his Coa) and this bird flies. Now i am wondering if it can be over clocked?! it runs 10 times better then the original compaq mobo. Well tell me if you think this chip can be oc'd.
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baltekmi,
There's folks in this forum who could OC a gas stove (Pizza in half the time!), so I'm sure you will get some replies to that one. Seriously, if the MB lets you OC then give it a whirl. Just be gentle and kick it up 5% and see how it runs. If that's all good then raise it another 5% and so on. Have fun and enjoy.
By the way did you ever find any info on that Gateway MB? Does the CPU still show 400? I liked the K6-2. It was an excellent chip, especially in laptops. Older Compaq laptops with the K6-2s make a pretty good large screen DVD player and They are pretty easy to work on as well! Cheap used too!!!
Maybe you have see this one but I was in shock. Dell selling AMD 64x2 CPUs! Here's the link but you may have to copy and paste to the address bar. why, I don't know. Dell wouldn't let you copy it from the address bar but you could bookmark it. I typed it manually!
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A055833...
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I have not found any info on bios update for the mobo. I looked at it witha fine tooth comb and there seems no way to oc, orup the fsb to 500. But like i said it is running faster and with the 512 in place it is doing a lot better
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baltekmi,
The FSB is fixed at 100 or 133. what you are looking for is a multiplier. See if you find any jumpers marked x4.0, x4.5 or x5.0. Those would be the 100 bus settings for the 400, 450 or 500MHz cpu. Maybe a x3.0, x3.4 and a x3.75 for the 133 bus which would be the 400, 450 and the 500MHz CPU. Usually these are fairly near the CPU socket, but not always. Sometimes they are located near the case connectors for the power switch, Etc.
By the way, I mentioned overclocking a stove before. I knew a guy once who combined a washing machine and a stove to make it self cleaning. It didn't sell well because it was such a b**ch to get in and out of the dryer!! He He!!!
Hey, it never hurts to look!
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theonejrs , i dont see a price in that dell add ,Intel may really be in trouble is dell dumps Intel for AMDs
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cpuz says that the mobo is a allidin5. not much more than that. it post that it it is running at 400 mgz. But with the 512 stick it hums right along.. as much as it can you know.
yea i saw that about amd chip being sold by dell! crazy
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