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30. May 2006 @ 01:33 |
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2.65 from a 10x is promising, asi is the fact that you achieved it using Value Select RAM. How about changing your sig to say 2x512MB though, not 512GB, that'd be something!
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30. May 2006 @ 01:51 |
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@sammorris,
LOL ROFL!!!!
Don't think we will see 512GB ram sticks in our lifetime!
This value select ram will do for now.
Down the track I will sell it and upgrade to 2GB top of the line memory.
Want to get an aftermarket cooler first,although the stock cooler seems to be doing a fine job at the moment(though it is winter here)
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30. May 2006 @ 02:00 |
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Really? Ooh, where abouts are you based then?
Not sure on RAM, we won't see 512GB sticks in our lifetime if progress stays as it is at present, we've gone from 512 in about 2000 to 2GB in 2007, up to 4GB whenever that comes out. 4x in 7 years? to get to 512GB we need 256x what we currently have, actually that's only 28 years away from 2007, so 2035. I hope I'll be alive then, It'd be a tragedy to die at 47.
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30. May 2006 @ 02:12 |
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@sammorris,
based in the south west of western australia.
Minimum temps are usually between -2 degrees celsius up to around 18 degrees celsius during the day.Sometimes up to 23-25.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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30. May 2006 @ 02:14 |
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I think progress will slow down though but it will never stop.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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30. May 2006 @ 02:18 |
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No of course not, if anything I think progress will accelerate. -2 at night eh? Maybe a bit colder than here, but I prefer your daytime temperatures! Today it's only going to reach 11ºC, it's summer!!!!
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30. May 2006 @ 02:31 |
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Where abouts are you living?
Not sure about the progress thing though.But it will be interesting to see how far things progress over the next 20 years.That would make me 63!Sounds terrible.If this thread doesnt get closed down I wonder how many pages long it will be in 20 years LOL!!!
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30. May 2006 @ 02:34 |
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pff, it'll probably be closed down due to someone else getting banned.
The other thread made well over a hundred pages in 2 years. I'm in the UK, essex in fact.
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30. May 2006 @ 03:48 |
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Historicly, top of the line CPUs don't overclock well as they almost always have very little headroom.
This is correct in AMD's case with the FX-60 and FX-62. I believe they cap at the low 3 mark. So far from what has been written and benchmarked, (shown in the Conroe update link from THG,) this is not the case for the new Conroe cpu's.
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30. May 2006 @ 09:44 |
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ScubaBud,
I notice that you run an Asus P4P800 series MB. I have the P4P800-SE and it's a very good and competent MB. I have to be honest and say that I wound up with it pretty much by accident due to an impulse buy one day when I was at PC-Club. I just got lucky! It lets me run my 3.0/800/HT at 3.60GHz without a hiccup. It's quite fast for what it is. My benchmarks are right up there with the 3.6 - 3.8 so I'm pretty happy with it. When I get the D940 3.2 up and running, it will be interesting to see the difference. I'm shooting for 3.60 for it as well!
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theonejrs
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30. May 2006 @ 09:51 |
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So far so good with just a mild OC and on 24/7 for nearly 2 years. :)
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30. May 2006 @ 10:27 |
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sammorris,
I'm curious! Why a 4200+ Manchester? Why not the 4400+ Toledo? The Toledo CPU's have twice the cache 2x1MB vs 2x512KB for the Manchester. I know it's about $100 (USD) more expensive, but it's also a much better CPU, more akin to the 175 Denmark.
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30. May 2006 @ 11:45 |
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Sorry I couldnt reply in a timely manner, long weekend.
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I guess I do not understand the importance of how fast a game loads vs how well it plays. Could you give me some insight as to this?
Not to be a stickler for my grammar, but I don't think I used the word game anywhere. I agree if all a machine did was load programs and wouldnt run them, that would not be a benefit to anyone. In fact the only games I have loaded, Doom 3 and Painkiller black look and play better than anything I have personally gamed on.
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I think what Deadrum33 means is that he is overwhelmingly happy with his new Opteron!
Exactly!!! I wish I wouldve done this sooner, and wish I'd have spent more time outdoors on the 4 day weekend I just completed.
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30. May 2006 @ 12:07 |
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theonejrs: I really can't afford to make that small upgrade to the Toledo. As I see it, the extra 200mhz over the 3800 is more important than having more cache size as well, so I left it at that. I may have to scale back further, depends how much money I can get my hands on. 0% Finance is going to be used as it is. You forget I'm not as rich as some. I'd love a 170 instead, but not the place that's fitting it (or may be fitting it) doesnt sell em. Hmmm.
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30. May 2006 @ 12:31 |
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sammorris,
I forgot about this reply of yours.
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Baltekmi: That's the great thing with asus boards, you don't have to be familiar with it, they have options to do it automatically for you!
This statement is only true to a degree. You can still do a lot more with it if you use the manual settings in the set-up. The auto settings are usefull for getting a feel for how far you can go, but there are a great many settings that can be applied that aren't applied by using auto that make it run better. Mine would not run at the auto setting of 20%, yet that's what I run at now.
When I installed this MB I started with the auto setting of 5%, then 10%. The benchmarks were slower with the auto setting than the same 10% done manually. I also tried the AI program that came with the MB, but the same thing. It just wasn't able to run with it's 20% settings. I've had it up as high as 3.70 but encountered errors while burning DVDs. Everything else ran perfect. Strangely enough, it ran cooler at 3.70 than at 3.60. I know that I could go back and fiddle with the voltages and probably get it to run stable at 3.70, but the difference in performance between 3.60 and 3.70 just isn't worth it. At least this is what the benchmarks indicate.
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30. May 2006 @ 12:35 |
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Yeah of course, but it's better than nothing, for a lot of people I expect that's all that's needed. All those results are expected, but better than nothing eh?
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30. May 2006 @ 20:56 |
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theonejrs
well as far as oc'ing, I can't wait to see the results of the d805 build!
Deadrum33
I guess the proper term should be application, not just games.
I know a lot of computers the load fast, but using the application somtimes results in less than glorious results.
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Baltekmi: That's the great thing with asus boards, you don't have to be familiar with it, they have options to do it automatically for you!
I guess what i ment was that I was not familiar with the asus bios as I am a abit fanboy. The auto setting in any good mobo are usually fine.It's when you get to the oc'ing menus that a great boards will emerge(being asus/abit etc.). and the stablity of the board brings it to the forfront. Again I bought my first asus.. a very low end, but stable as hell. Si I will not hesitate to get another asus board in the future. I will just wave to tap in to you guy "expert opinion On what to set what at!" Les bon ton rule'
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30. May 2006 @ 22:21 |
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baltekmi,
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well as far as oc'ing, I can't wait to see the results of the d805 build!
As far as I know only one is up and running and it has fallen far short of expectations. The MB being used does not allow voltage change for the CPU so it's pretty well stuck at I believe 3.2 0r 3.3 which is not at all that bad for a native 2.66 but I'll stick with my choice, a D940 Pressler. According to what I have read, it sould OC very nicely to 3.6 and more if I want since heat shouldn't be an issue with the Zalman.
I would really like to have the Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe as it has some really nice features for overclocking, but I'm ready to go with a P5P800-SE If I don't sell the computer. I already have everything but the MB so I'm gonna wait till the end of the week and if I don't hear anything, that's what I'll buy!
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31. May 2006 @ 01:15 |
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See that's the problem, getting a good motherboard to obtain the last few hundred mhz negates the cost saving of the whole exercise. A top end board with top end RAM will cost you here in the regions of £400 with a Zalman cooler with the D805. You can use an X2 3800+ with value RAM and a normal scale mobo and overclock that to about 2.7Ghz on about £380, and it will beat the hell out of any D805 build. It's just those extra pounds saved by doing it. SO if you can't go further, I wouldn't complain.
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31. May 2006 @ 03:47 |
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sammorris.
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You can use an X2 3800+ with value RAM and a normal scale mobo and overclock that to about 2.7Ghz on about £380, and it will beat the hell out of any D805 build.
I'm not using the D805 2.66, I bought a D940 Pressler 3.2 that I plan to run at 3.6 or so in either an Asus P5P800-SE or if my computer sells, an Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe. Either way. it's "Bye Bye 805"! From what I've been hearing the best that anyone's reported so far is 3.3 which is limited by the budget MB not having voltage adjustments for CPU or memory. Someone over at the Hounds reported that encoding was about 30% slower too. Sometimes the Lab is not the real world. I've heard a few people talking about maybe buying the same board THG used in their tests but so far I don't know anyone who has. When Sophocles gets his done, we'll see what the 805 can do on a former high end MB. He's using a P5P800 as well. I think he will hit 3.6 or so and need liquid cooling or a vapochill from there on. Ambient temperature will play a huge part in how far you can go. In the THG tests the system consumes 360 watts at full load running at 3.60. At least 100 watts of that is the processor. I'll bet it's a lot higher than that. I mean it's a 130 watt chip, designed to pull a max of 130 watts at 2.66. My Pressler is a 130 watt chip as well, but it's designed to draw 130 watts Max at 3.2. That's a 500MHz head start over the D805 to begin with and the 4MB of cache compared to the 2MB on the 805 will make a difference too. Like I said in one of my previous posts, to me the 805 is a technical exercise, period! I don't want one for my main computer, which is exactly what I'm building.
All I want is a fast high quality computer that runs about on a par with the x2 4400+. I think I'll have that when I'm done!
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31. May 2006 @ 21:05 |
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SO if you can't go further, I wouldn't complain.
i am not building the d805 I was talking about someone else's build.
But what High end mb would you recomend for the conro?
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31. May 2006 @ 22:35 |
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baltekmi,
Check out my benches on DVDH. I did as they say, a little tweaking. The numbers are outstanding for a 3.0/800 Prescott. My bandwith is up about 20% and my memory is running at 468MHz. Check it out!!!
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Theonejrs: I was just using that as a reference point. It'll probably beat a D940 until it's overclocked to about 3.6. That's not too hard, but it shows how easily you can get a custom build X2 to bust the behind of any Dell/Gateway stock system. You'll be on par with the 4400+ stock by the time you've got a 940 overclocked. I wouldn't mind betting a fully tuned 4400 will still beat you OCed 940, but I could be wrong.
Heat isn't quite as bad as you think, the D805 is 95W at 2666, not 130, but that still means at 3.6Ghz, that's probably pushing somewhere around 130-140W. Anything beyond that and it's specialist cooler time.
Baltekmi, that was areally a general statement about the 805, not aimed at anyone, I'd better learn to start saying what I actually mean... It was basically, considering how it's possible to push an 805 on a budget board, you're getting better value than getting an X2 or a bigger intel. Once the expensive boards are considered, it's not really a budget build any more, you end up paying X2 money with a standard board.
Particularly for a Prescott, 20% is quite impressive, what do you cool it with?
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1. June 2006 @ 10:39 |
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You'll be on par with the 4400+ stock by the time you've got a 940 overclocked. I wouldn't mind betting a fully tuned 4400 will still beat you OCed 940, but I could be wrong.
You don't have to OC it, the D940 is on a par with the 4400+ to begin with. In most of the benchmarks listed in THG's review the D940 and the 4400+ are pretty much side by side. In some benchmarks one is better than the other but overall, they are fairly even. I do think that the 4400+ has more potential for overclocking than the 940. Had the 4400+ been available at the same price, I would have bought it instead. However, there isn't enough difference between the two to justify paying the $200 price difference. I would really liked to have gotten the D950 but at about $100 more I couldn't justify it.
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Particularly for a Prescott, 20% is quite impressive, what do you cool it with?
I assume you are asking me since I don't know anyone else that's gotten a 20% OC out of a Prescott. I use a Zalman 9500LED which was on sale last week at Newegg for under $50. Caution!!! Make sure it will fit the case before you buy one. On mine there is only about 3/8" between the cooler fins and the power supply. While it was recomended to remove the mB to install it, I pulled the PS instead but it was very very close putting it back in. Sophocles put me on to Zalman and it's turned out to be one of my better buys!
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Don't think we will see 512GB ram sticks in our lifetime!
I don't know! I remember a few years back when they were telling us that they had reached the practical limit for hard drive capacity in IDE drives. That was when drives were measured in Megabytes. Now you can buy Terabyte drives in the same form factor, so you never know what newer tech will bring. 10 years ago if you had 2x16MB simms, you were King of the hill. Today I have 2GB with a MB that supports 4GB, so you never know. By the way, those 16MB simms cost as much then as two 1GB sticks cost today so we do get more bang for the buck these days.
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1. June 2006 @ 10:50 |
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Hmm, dodn't realise the 940 was quite that good, I've not seen anyone else use one. Ah, it was the 840 that was rubbish wasn't it?
Just curious about the cooler, I intend to get a slightly more compact freezer 64, but it's always good to see what Zalmans are capable of.
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