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ddp
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22. June 2006 @ 18:03 |
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i know that, just making a point about Estuansis's statement.
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crowy
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22. June 2006 @ 18:14 |
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@ddp,
I hope you didn't misunderstand me,
I was referring to his statement as well!!
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22. June 2006 @ 18:19 |
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understood & agreed with your statement
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22. June 2006 @ 19:19 |
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crowy,
Christ Man, you kinda went overboard on the benchmarks. My eyes are still giggling. If you were talking about a major CPU that would be one thing, but Celerons!!! Jesus!!!
BTW You forgot the the biggest reasons the Celerons are Dogs. Them and the regular 2.8 are 533MHz. The 2.8E is an 800MHz. The Celerons are somewhat limited by their instruction set and they suck at overclocking!
JUst funnin with ya Bro!
Happy "Puterforumimg",
theonejrs
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crowy
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22. June 2006 @ 19:35 |
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@ theonejrs,
rofl!!!
Just wanted to show Estuansis he was not quite correct!!
The celerons are only dogs if they can't do what you expect of them.
If your heavily into gaming/multi tasking then of course they would be disappointing.If you only send emails and do less cpu intensive tasks then the celerons are fine!
P.S. Hope your eyes recover!!!
Stare intently at this for 30 mins.
This should help your eyes relax(LOL)!!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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crowy
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22. June 2006 @ 20:30 |
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theonejrs,
Can you do a little experiment for me.
As you know I am interested in a tuniq 120 cpu cooler and want to know roughly how much extra cooling I can expect given the environment of my computer.
Open up sisandra and go to hardware/processors.
Hit processors and scroll down to your cpu wattage here:
Then multiply it by your cpu cooler thermal rating (yours is .12degrees c/w I believe in low noise mode) then add your ambient room temp.Now see if the result equals the temp of your cpu(or thereabouts).
IE:cpu wattage x thermal rating(.12)+ ambient room temp =cpu temp.
Thanks in advance.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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22. June 2006 @ 21:08 |
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crowy,
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Hit processors and scroll down to your cpu wattage here:
My version, which I prefer doesn't list the wattage. Besides it's only an estimate based on temps and frequency. The tuniq 120 cpu cooler should be as good if not better than the Zalman judging by the information I was able to find on it. It is huge and it does weigh a ton so care needs to be taken when moving the computer.
I seem to remember in some benches you posted that your CPU voltage is quite high. All the coolers in the world won't help that as the chip will still oxidize away inside from the excessive voltage and just burn out.
Sorry I can't help you with the math info.
Happy "Puterforuming"
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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crowy
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22. June 2006 @ 21:18 |
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theonejrs,
Thats ok.
Btw,My cpu voltage is now only at 1.4 volts still at2.8ghz so only .5 volts over stock.Hopefully I wont oxidize too quickly!!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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22. June 2006 @ 22:24 |
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crowy,
Well Hell, let's see some Sandra math amd memory bandwidth benches. Let's see how it looks now!!!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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22. June 2006 @ 22:29 |
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boxwrench,
I know it can be lonely at the top.LOL!
He! He! and a Giggle!!!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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22. June 2006 @ 22:48 |
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theonejrs,
I just checked the tracking numbers sent by Newegg and it appears Monday should be the arrival day for the board and case.
I hope your expecting company,I should be there soon!
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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22. June 2006 @ 23:49 |
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Estuansis..Thanks for the insight..You mentioned 80bucks for Processor,I had to get a new board too[GIGABYTE K8 Triton]..Both were 180bucks instaled..Don't know anything about this Brd,can I overclock it?.But the whole thing seem a little slower then what I had before AMD ATHLON 2600+,which showed 2.16GHZ This 3100+ says 1.81GHz
I do a lot of conversions from AVI to DVD with programs like DivXtoDVD.while this program is running it takes a good 20sec just to rename a file
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23. June 2006 @ 00:32 |
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rick5446.
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This 3100+ says 1.81GHz
Do some Sandra benchmarks for math. You should be seeing around 8300 or so MIPS. Which is P4 3.0 speeds stock!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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23. June 2006 @ 01:52 |
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theonejrs..Don't understand ? What do U mean ?
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crowy
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23. June 2006 @ 01:53 |
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@theonejrs,
Heres the benches @ 2.8GHZ.
The memory is on a divider of 9/10 =180MHZ = 360DDR
I find its 100% stable and the temps are good.
The memory voltage is @ 2.8v by the way.Maybe just in the safe zone I think!!
This memory has exceeded my expectations to get where I am now.
Down the track I will retire it(when the price of some OCZ platinum or the like comes down.I'm sure 3GHZ with that kind of memory and a Tuniq 120 would be totally feasible.I really love this board by the way!!!
"Happy Forumutering to you too!!"
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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crowy
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23. June 2006 @ 02:01 |
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theonejrs,
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Christ Man, you kinda went overboard on the benchmarks. My eyes are still giggling. If you were talking about a major CPU that would be one thing, but Celerons!!! Jesus!!!
Just looking back at the benches post.Your right maybe I did go overboard!!! But gee I made a point!!!!
ROFL!!!!!!!!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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23. June 2006 @ 11:38 |
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crowy,
Nice numbers man! Extremely good for a x2 3800+ What I don't understand is SiSoft's performance ratings. Your MIPS and mine are about the same, but your Multi-Media and Memory Bandwidth are much higher. My preformance rating is 8450 while yours is 8404. I'm not sure I understand that at all. I know your Sandra is a newer version than mine but there can't be any real difference in the numbers as all the variables are fixed. MIPS is MIPS! MB/s is still MB/s! And it/s is still it/s. Since your MB/s and it/s are higher and the MIPS are the same, why is your PR lower! Doesn't make any sense to me!
Happy Computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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23. June 2006 @ 12:12 |
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Estuansis: LOL, good call, Semprons will pwn any Celeron! LOL
Theonejrs: Actually it's 28%, which is incredible.
Crowy: LOL! The profound statement is true though, you only need what you need. I rather suspected I only needed a 3800+ but I got a 4200 for futureproofing, ish.
Rick: Your new 1.8Ghz system is actually about 15% faster than your old 2.16Ghz, so that puts it into perspective for you.
Theonejrs: No matter what I change my PR is always fixed at one value and has never altered, not even by one, so it may not be as simple as it/s and MIPS.
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23. June 2006 @ 15:24 |
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i got a question. is it good to have 2 burners in your system and rip and burn with both burners? is it good on the burner to do ripping and burning?or should you just use a dvdrom drive to rip with then burn? im getting ready to do my first build and wanting to know if i should put 2 burners in it or just one burner and a dvdrom drive?
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crowy
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23. June 2006 @ 15:38 |
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@theonejrs,
Lets remember that we are talking 2 different systems here.
Sisandra in all reality is a synthetic benchmark only.
We have two systems operating with different architechture and sandra has too work with both so there will always be a variation one way or the other.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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23. June 2006 @ 15:47 |
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I see no point burning two discs at once unless I'm really short on time. DVD-ROM and DVD burner is how it's usually done and how I'm doing it.
Besides ROMs are often faster than burners.
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23. June 2006 @ 15:51 |
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@cincyrob,
If your going to have 2 dvd drives you may as well have 2 burners as opposed to 1 burner/1 reader.That way you can share the work load between the 2.IE:If you only have one of each(reader/writer)then your writer will always have to do all the writing(obviously!).If you have 2 writers then you can share that task between the 2 as well as share the reading.Also if one of them goes west then you still have the other one to perform both tasks.Not sure what your build will be but I can't stress enough the importance of a good power supply.Try to get a case and power supply seperately.Make sure the psu is atx2 and get one with a 12cm fan mounted underneath.These suck the air from underneath and exhaust it out the back of your case.Plus they are virtually silent!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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23. June 2006 @ 15:55 |
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Fair enough, I don't tend to find DVD burners break on me though, only my old shoddy benq ones that couldn't manage a dozen coasters before failing!
Good PSUs to that spec are important,
Such as this one that I chose.
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/98562
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23. June 2006 @ 16:18 |
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this is the board im getting, Asus P5LD2 Deluxe Intel Socket 775 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / Gigabit LAN / USB 2.0 & Firewire / Serial ATA / RAID and prob the intel d920 cpu,Intel Pentium D 920 2.80GHz / 4MB Cache / 800MHz FSB / Dual-Core / Presler / OEM / Socket 775 / Processor. was just curious about the dvd drives to stick in it. i am more or less just curious if its good onn the burners to do bith like that. they re cheap enough now to get 2 burners for the price of a reg dvd-rom
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23. June 2006 @ 16:31 |
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@sammorris,I know what you mean about the Benq drives!!
Thats a nice power supply you have.
@cincyrob,Thats what there designed for!!!
If they were'nt, you would have to buy a reader/writer seperately.
I can personally recommend the LG GSA-H10A.
Does everything including DVD-RAM discs.
Have had mine for around 3 months and no coasters thus far.
And if you use dvd decrypter you can change the booktype to DVD-ROM for DVD+R discs,so better compatibility for standalone DVD players.
P.S. Are you upgrading your memory or using what you have in the old system?
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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