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8. February 2008 @ 18:39 |
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My bad, the 8400, sorry.
It's not in the UK yet, but supposedly £130 when it will be... if ever.
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8. February 2008 @ 18:47 |
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Scan have the 8400 listed at a few pennies under £130 - and they have it as due in on the 12th of this month. Cant really stretch the budget to that though, have already increased from 4400 to 6550 to 6750 and now will probably get the 8200 lol, purely because it uses less KWs than the 6750 and as this build is going to be on pretty much all the time, that could make a difference in the long run.
@gms - some of your acronyms get me confused, good thing google understands you lol
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8. February 2008 @ 19:05 |
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Pepp77,
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Since posting previously have been reading on x-bit labs about the new processors - the 8200 outscored the 6750 in all tests even outdid the 6850 in one test.
Looks like its not worth getting as an upgrade from a 6xxx series chip to the 8xxx chips but they would be the better choice if not upgrading.
The E8400 will eat them all alive! I'll have a better Idea how well the E6750 does after I upgrade the Ram to 1066 and get it to 3.8GHz. I know someone on another forum who has an E8400 on an older P5W DH Asus MB and he gotten to 3.807GHz with Corsair XMS DDR2 Cas4 800MHz (DDR26400) memory. 35,000+ MIPS and a healthy memory bandwidth of around 8200+!
Best Regards,
Russ
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8. February 2008 @ 19:07 |
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Originally posted by Pepp77:
@gms - some of your acronyms get me confused, good thing google understands you lol
Sorry don't mean to be cryptic. lol. You should have seen me when I first started posting here. Dec 2004. I had GOOGLE open in it's own window and I was looking up stuff more than I was reading. hehehe. ;P
I think upgrading to the E8200 is a good move, you will not be disappointed.
good luck to you......
....gm
ROB,
you got that psu installed yet?? lol.
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8. February 2008 @ 19:13 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
I think upgrading to the E8200 is a good move, you will not be disappointed.
good luck to you......
....gm
Anything would be an upgrade from a Pentium D925 that randomly crashes and a 4 year old AMD Athlon 64 3400+ at 2.19Ghz laptop - that takes over a minute to unrar a 350 meg file (at least the 925 when its working does it in under 10 secs lol).
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8. February 2008 @ 19:17 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Pepp77,
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Since posting previously have been reading on x-bit labs about the new processors - the 8200 outscored the 6750 in all tests even outdid the 6850 in one test.
Looks like its not worth getting as an upgrade from a 6xxx series chip to the 8xxx chips but they would be the better choice if not upgrading.
The E8400 will eat them all alive! I'll have a better Idea how well the E6750 does after I upgrade the Ram to 1066 and get it to 3.8GHz. I know someone on another forum who has an E8400 on an older P5W DH Asus MB and he gotten to 3.807GHz with Corsair XMS DDR2 Cas4 800MHz (DDR26400) memory. 35,000+ MIPS and a healthy memory bandwidth of around 8200+!
Best Regards,
Russ
wow that is impressive. I might have to use my old and proven P5W DH in my new build with a new 45nm cpu. I would of course have to update the bios. BTW, that somebody wouldn't be Soph would it?
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8. February 2008 @ 19:20 |
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Pepp, you are right. When building a new PC the E8200 is an excellent choice, but if I decided to ditch my E6750 for the E8200 it would be a stupid decision, at least economically.
So yes, good for new builds, not exactly good for upgrading. If you have deep pockets like that you would get the E8400 or an Intel Quad core anyway.
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8. February 2008 @ 19:21 |
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SOPH???? that sly dog....lol
GM no not yet still at work i cant go dast enough to get home..lol
im getting the GA-P35-DS3R v2.1 how will iknow if i need the bios update? or does it come with the newest one?
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8. February 2008 @ 19:26 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
SOPH???? that sly dog....lol
GM no not yet still at work i cant go dast enough to get home..lol
im getting the GA-P35-DS3R v2.1 how will iknow if i need the bios update? or does it come with the newest one?
I doubt it will have the latest bios. the bios flash screen will tell you the bios vs or cpu-z will too. go to the gigabyte website and look for the latest official bios.
you may not need to update the bios unless it is not compatable with your cpu. I would play with whatever bios it has a while before updating.
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8. February 2008 @ 19:49 |
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I have a question that might interest cincyrob, the new 8200 needs the f10 version of the bios on the GA-P35C-DS3R that im getting and the 8400 needs the f11 version of bios for the GA-P35-DS3R that cincyrob is getting.
My question is this if the MOBO comes with an earlier version (which is likely as the versions were only released a month ago) and is therefore incompatible with the CPU how do we upgrade the BIOS to the correct version?
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8. February 2008 @ 19:57 |
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As far as I can recall it has to be done using a different CPU compatible with the same socket - i.e. using an old P4.
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8. February 2008 @ 20:01 |
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if thats the case. then the E8400 i got isnt gonna do me anygood until i upgrade the bios? how in the hell am i gonna do that not haveing another CPU???
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8. February 2008 @ 20:05 |
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You'll have to get either a natively supported board revision or get one pre-flashed.
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8. February 2008 @ 20:05 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
if thats the case. then the E8400 i got isnt gonna do me anygood until i upgrade the bios? how in the hell am i gonna do that not haveing another CPU???
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - you never know though you might get a motherboard made last week lol.
Looks like I may just get the 6750 after all as Im not in a position to put another CPU in to upgrade the bios (my current CPU being dodgy and all im not wanting to risk it in the new motherboard).
Edit - Also just noticed revision 2.1 of both boards was released at the end of december - but neither newegg nor ebuyer state the version they have.
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8. February 2008 @ 20:13 |
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well im hopeing that the mobo i get is the v2.1 and has the correct bios. if not back it goes, then im done with it.
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8. February 2008 @ 20:18 |
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Rob don't panic!! I'll do some more research but I'm pretty sure the mobo will post with the E8400 out of the box. I'm also pretty sure you will have to update the BIOS to get the full use of the E8400. I say don't worry until the time comes to make it POST. lol. Sorry but I'm giggling here.
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8. February 2008 @ 20:23 |
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ok i went to gigabyte and found the info on the MOBO the F11 version was released on 1-4-08 and the 2.1v of the mobo was released 1-11-08
so im hopeing i got what i need,
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Support/Moth...?ProductID=2634
if im reading this right the 2.1v will have the F11 bios. and it states that if it works properly to not flash to another bios???? yes im panicing cause i dont have clue as to what im doing
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8. February 2008 @ 20:27 |
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cincyrob - Good news I have just found (taken from another forum):-
Good news - I got my board - actually I ended up getting two. The first board I was sent was the wrong one (GA-P35-DS3R rev2.1) but I plugged my E8400 into it anyway and no bios upgrade needed! - it recognized it perfectly!!
My replacement GA-P35C-DS3R rev2.0 came last night - not sure what firmware was on it, but I plugged my E8400 into that - once again, no problems recognizing the CPU at all without a bios upgrade! The only thing is that I noticed that the CPU multiplier was set to only 8 (x266) auto-detected on default settings, so my CPU was only coming up as 2.66GHz! Perhaps this is something that a bios upgrade would have corrected? In any case, I just bumped up the multiplier to 9 and it's running smoothly at the default 3GHz rate.
I'm wondering if I should still go ahead with a bios update? - everything seems to be running smoothly and I know the general mantra is not to touch things if things ain't broke, but I'm a little worried that it didn't detect my CPU at 3GHz right off the bat - who knows what other settings are 'off'... I WAS successful at doing the Cntrl-F1 function to manually set the SPD settings to my 4-4-4-12 Geil 2.1v DDR2 ram... so far so good!
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8. February 2008 @ 20:52 |
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@pepp
thats good to hear...:)
reading the bios from gigabyte they say that if it is preforming well you shouldnt flash it... im not any kinda expert at this and dont really know but if they say not to than im not...lol
if its seeing it as the 3.0ghz now id say your ok.
ill just worry about it tuesday/wednsday when i get my stuff...im takeing off wednsday so i got all day to play with it...lol
i should have it up and running at 3.4ghz when all said and done.
rotfpimp after i RTFM.
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8. February 2008 @ 21:45 |
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well im on my way home to play with my new toys..lol gonna put the PSU in it maybe set the burners in ther for looks..lol.. i'll take a pic or two and post..lol
like i told ya greensman im glad i got this case. it is sweet'
gonna look real good with the RED led fans in it
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8. February 2008 @ 23:00 |
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hey fellows just stopped in to post a link on some cool looking led fans heat sinks. you may or may not know about the link but it caught my eyes..on a search..
http://www.xpcgear.com/vf700culed.html
Done out of Here!
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9. February 2008 @ 01:41 |
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cincyrob,
With getting the Rev 2.1, there's only two total! F-10 and F-11! Tip: Go to Newegg and pick your MB, then go down to the product page and open it. Check to see that your version is showing and then click on bios. You can download them right there! Saves wasted time doing it the hard way by looking for it on GigaByte's site!
Best Regards,
Russ
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9. February 2008 @ 02:39 |
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@all
I came across this Site see what it's about and found it very interesting.I wanted a little input on what ya'll thiink aboout it?
http://www.techpowerup.com/systool/
I ran a stress test the cpu multiplier stayed at 6.0x I dont know y?
And the cpu-z jumped up to 8.0x but at idle it go's back down to 6.0x
is there a reason this is happen? I just Oc'd it a little not to much..if I push it to far the system shut down and reboots to default setting..I guess there's a fail safe somewhere..lol
Done out of Here!
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9. February 2008 @ 03:12 |
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Will,
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I came across this Site see what it's about and found it very interesting.I wanted a little input on what ya'll thiink aboout it?
I'm not a big fan of software control of your overclocking. It's so easy to do today, the brain dead (Too much "Gangsta Rap"), kid next door could do it! I prefer the more hands on approach! I don't usually even fool with the Hardware overclocking in the setup! It figures though, I did it with my E4300 on a 965P-DS3. I got this bright idea to set it at a decent overclock and try the OC settings in the bios along with it. The results for an E4300 at 3.2GHz, 32,000+ MIPS. Worst part is I could never come close to duplicating that again, at that speed and I stupidly didn't write down the settings because I was just fooling around. Usually when I make changes I write everything down. All I can say is it will work, it's just a matter of finding the right combination again! LOL!!
I still prefer setting everything myself, then I'm not dependent on some software to make everything run right!
Best Regards,
Russ
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9. February 2008 @ 05:10 |
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I never liked software overclocking after Asus AI booster with my X2 4200+, it didn't drop the HTT multiplier, so even a tiny overclock would render the system unstable. Good job geniuses! :S
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