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29. June 2008 @ 23:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Rob, you have got it right. The fan should be around the memory area and blowing air towards the rear.

What are your room temps like?
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I have a problem with a computer I'm repairing and maybe someone might have a answer for me. It's a HP Pavillion 794n, P4 3.06GHz Socket 478. The chipset is an 845G-B/ICH4. The computer will post, and all the drives show in the setup, but it won't boot from anything but the floppy drive. Even if you use a boot disk and enable CD support, it lists all drives but the A and the C as invalid. If you enter a C prompt it shows drive C and drive A being the same when you type dir! My thoughts is that the ICH4 has bit the dust.

It won't boot from either optical drive or the hard drive. If you just turn it on it posts and runs right up to the time windows should start. The cursor appears in the top left corner of the screen and then the screen goes black and it just sits there doing nothing. There's no attempt to access anything but the floppy even if you use the boot menu. No error messages, no nothing. The SB chip is ice cold! For the life of me I can't remember or find out on the net what controls the floppy. I don't think it's the SB, I think it more basic than that, but I'm not sure! Any ideas would be appreciated!

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
icemen,
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thanks Russ, I'm a novice at this, first time i'm going to try & do it myself, Do you know a similar card I can buy for this pc? also will i have to remove the old card? & place the new one in it's place?
The other thing where will i find the drivers? & will the new card come with a disc with the drivers on it? or will i have to download this from somewhere else?

If you'll look at page 1-4 in the motherboard link I sent you and see if it's layout is the same as yours. If the slot nearest the CPU is slightly longer than the 3 PCI slots and has that little lock tab on it, like in the drawing then get a PCIe 16x card instead of the PCI. You'll have a much better card for about the same money as a decent PCI. For what you have here's a card that will an excellent job for you.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150265
It has 256MB of DDR3 with a 128 bit interface and is much better than your old card. It has better, faster memory and twice the memory interface of your old one. It also has DVI output, which means you can hook it up to a digital LCD monitor if you have one or plan to get one.

Your computer is an interesting one for sure. Medion was known for a lot of funny business and generally cheap crappy computers. Yours has a decent MSI motherboard, and lots of extra goodies like the sata ports, wireless lan and Firewire ports. One reviewer commented that it was a real jewel in a big pile of coal! LOL!!

The Driver disk is included so it's just a matter of removing the old drivers through the Add/Remove Programs in the control panel, which you access from the start menu. Just go there and look on the list that appears and see if the nVidia drivers are on it. If they are, just click on remove them and then install the new ones. Very simple and nVidia drivers are usually less problematic than the older Ati's were. Should be a simple job!

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good point russ, but i am sure ANY decent intel mobo can do 1:1, all the asus ones i haev had (3) can do 1:1, who knew the GBs couldnt LOL.

and that the one good thing about nvidia chpsets, they have unlinked FBS:CPU dividers.

Don't be starting any more motherboard wars, please! We can do very nicely without your smart-ass comment "any decent Intel can do 1:1", which is pure BS! First off, it's a ratio! You can't use the computer and tell what the ratio is by it's performance, as the difference is so very slight! Second, Intel chipsets don't offer that feature, yet 80.2% of all the motherboards sold for Intels have Intel chipsets, and have been the more successful chipsets by a wide margin. This includes an awful lot of very "Decent" motherboards! The nVidia chipsets account for only 11.5% of all the chipsets sold! Both methods have their pros and cons and some of the nVidia chipset's problems are directly related to the link/unlink feature of the memory, particularly the 650i with all it's "black holes"!

Best Regards,
Russ
thanks theonejrs


My PC is the same as the 1-4 motherboard link you sent me, so i'll be better off getting a pcie x16 card but the graphics card you have recommended is out of stock on the link you sent? i've tried to look for one flebay but with no joy. do you know where i can get one from or know of another replacement? I did notice on my old card it has a pin connector at the top of the card & this card has like a slip on clip?
Also i'm thinking of upgrading my memory as it only has 512mb at present, is it just a case of taking the old one out & installing the new memory?
all your help is apprieciated
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30. June 2008 @ 09:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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say i want to go with 4gigs of mem(yea i know xp will only see 3-3 1/2 gigs)
can i just buy 2 more sticks of the same mem i have now and get the 4 gigs that way or do i need to buy a 4 gig kit in order for it to be dual channel?
i can get 2 more gigs of the same stuff i have now for $19 after rebate. compared to $129 for a 4 gig kit.
any thoughts on this? sorry to ask twice.
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30. June 2008 @ 09:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yeah, Rob just order two more sticks of the same stuff and you'll be good.


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30. June 2008 @ 09:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by cincyrob:
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say i want to go with 4gigs of mem(yea i know xp will only see 3-3 1/2 gigs)
can i just buy 2 more sticks of the same mem i have now and get the 4 gigs that way or do i need to buy a 4 gig kit in order for it to be dual channel?
i can get 2 more gigs of the same stuff i have now for $19 after rebate. compared to $129 for a 4 gig kit.
any thoughts on this? sorry to ask twice.
RedRob personally I would just get the $19 pair and be done with it. ;) If you get a 2GBx2 set you might get a little better OC but I don't see that being a serious limiting factor. ;) I've thought about doing the same thing you're looking at but it seems futile really. I don't think we get enough of a memory bottle neck to warrant the purchase then again it sure is cheap, innit?? ;)

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30. June 2008 @ 09:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'd like another 2 gigs myself and I could use all 4 on the 64 bit side, but I really would rather have a new monitor. I keep saying that...prolly could've already bought one with buying HDD's and ODD's I don't need. :)

500 gig HDD = $50
NEC 7200 S = $30
Pioneer 215D = $30
Lite-On 20A1L = $30
Cables to hook it all up = $15
Total $165 for unneeded stuff

New monitor $200

Rebates starting to come back....equaling $80. I also got approved for a Wii for my birthday. I was going to get it for my boy, but my wife laughed at me so I told her if she got me the Wii I'd buy my son a new monitor for my PC. :)


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30. June 2008 @ 09:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
are the crucial tracer sticks the same as the non tracers? just the added led???
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theonejrs, can you boot from both the floppy drive & rom drive ok? have you replaced the data cable to the hd?
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icemen,
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My PC is the same as the 1-4 motherboard link you sent me, so i'll be better off getting a pcie x16 card but the graphics card you have recommended is out of stock on the link you sent? i've tried to look for one flebay but with no joy. do you know where i can get one from or know of another replacement? I did notice on my old card it has a pin connector at the top of the card & this card has like a slip on clip?
Also i'm thinking of upgrading my memory as it only has 512mb at present, is it just a case of taking the old one out & installing the new memory?
all your help is apprieciated

Just input the model video card in Google and see who's got one and at what price.

As far as the memory goes I would buy a matched pair. As I recall, the memory that comes with it is slow. Here's a link for some good OCZ, Cas 2, 2x1GB. $5399 after MIR! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227210 That would be your best bet. two sticks will also allow you to run in dual channel as well.

Best Regards,
Russ


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Russ you forgot the link. ;)

ddp I've had a similar problem that Russ is experiencing and I've replaced the cable and all except the HDD. It will boot into Safe Mode just fine... it'll drive you insane for sure. I'm betting my issue is a video driver issue but I haven't looked any further into it the last couple of weeks. A bit lazy and I'm just gonna add a small HDD and forget it. ;)

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Russ you forgot the link. ;)

Yeah well, you can blame the Idiots that designed AD's software as the Preview button is on the left and the Refresh Preview is on the right with the Post Reply button changing sides for each. Someone must have stayed up nights thinking up that one! LOL!!

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30. June 2008 @ 18:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Russ the OCZ you linked to is good stuff. :) I have some of that running in my AMD X2 3800 machine and it likes it. LOL. ;) NOT only performs well but also looks dang good too. :D

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30. June 2008 @ 18:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Eh? They've been set up that way for ages, I'm used to it, so should you be, we both post often enough!



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theonejrs, can you boot from both the floppy drive & rom drive ok? have you replaced the data cable to the hd?

No, It will only boot from the floppy. If you try to boot from the CD, the cursor blinks 3 or 4 times and the screen goes black! The bios sees the drives, but you can't access them even when enabling CD support with the boot disk. The fact that C: and A: read the same tells me that it only reads the floppy as the boot drive. It's not cables or power as it affects both IDE Channels, and the problem is not the video card as I've tried 3 different ones with the same result. Since the floppy is basic I/O and none of the IDEs work, and the SB chip is stone cold, I have to suspect it's bad, since it controls the IDEs and satas!

Thanks for your input,
Russ


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russ you have been here a great deal longer than i, yet even i know the odd layout of AD haha



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I can boot from a flash drive and CD on just about all of my systems. I prefer flash drive. I haven't had a floppy drive in any of my computers since about 2001-2002. A lot of the older boards won't allow you to boot into a flash drive although most will allow you to boot into a CD. I've been booting from a CD for close to a decade.


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I have a problem with a computer I'm repairing and maybe someone might have a answer for me. It's a HP Pavillion 794n, P4 3.06GHz Socket 478. The chipset is an 845G-B/ICH4. The computer will post, and all the drives show in the setup, but it won't boot from anything but the floppy drive. Even if you use a boot disk and enable CD support, it lists all drives but the A and the C as invalid
Some motherboard will search for standard boot up drives such as the floppy and if that doesn't happen then it continues to try and load windows. The fix is quite simple. Go into your bios and disable the floppy drive and the hard drive and then place your CD as first boot in boot order and I guarantee that it will boot into CD. Even though the Hard disk is disabled windows can still write to it.

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shaffaaf,
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russ you have been here a great deal longer than i, yet even i know the odd layout of AD haha

The fact that I've been here a lot longer than you is the reason I know that we've had several software changes, over the years. I also used to use preview a lot, but haven't for a long time, and it's changed!


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Some motherboard will search for standard boot up drives such as the floppy and if that doesn't happen then it continues to try and load windows. The fix is quite simple. Go into your bios and disable the floppy drive and the hard drive and then place your CD as first boot in boot order and I guarantee that it will boot into CD. Even though the Hard disk is disabled windows can still write to it.

It did boot! I'm going to try and install XP and see what happens!
Thanks Sophocles!

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I'm looking at Seagate HDD and they all have Cache: 32MB,
Average Latency 4.16ms,Perpendicular recording technology Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive:
or
Average Seek Time: 16ms,Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...TCH&srchInDesc=
so can you inform me as to which is the better, & more reliable Drive
The only difference that I can see is the Barracuda shows Proven second-generation perpendicular recording technology with a 5yr Warranty
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rick5446,
Between the two I would choose the ST3500320AS. Performance is slightly better and it doesn't have all the power saving junk or the added security features. Both have the Perpendicular recording technology and it works real well. I'll probably get the 500GB version next time around as I don't much fancy a single TB drive. Too much to lose in oen shot, and I can have 6 if I want.

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Originally posted by rick5446:
I'm looking at Seagate HDD and they all have Cache: 32MB,
Average Latency 4.16ms,Perpendicular recording technology Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive:
or
Average Seek Time: 16ms,Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...TCH&srchInDesc=
so can you inform me as to which is the better, & more reliable Drive
The only difference that I can see is the Barracuda shows Proven second-generation perpendicular recording technology with a 5yr Warranty
Me myself ..i would choose the Model# ST3500320AS ,500GB for$84.99 and plus the free shipping..I don't keep my operational system on big drives 160gb's or less..but so or later i gotta get a few 500gb's seagate sata's and toss out these pata dives..i got in there now.i only got one sata runnin and that my operational drive WD160gb 8mb i may toss it to and get a 32mb.lol

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i would choose the F1 samsungs. they are allt he rave at the moment.



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I can vouch for that.



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bigwill68, fix your sig ASAP as you are out of spec to forum rules.
4. If you want to use both text and image in your signature the image should not be more than 500 pixels wide and 100 pixels tall, and you can use up to three lines of text.
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