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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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23. July 2007 @ 13:09 |
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As far as I know, AGP aperture can only go as high as 256MB, which is why the X1950XT is 256MB.
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23. July 2007 @ 13:15 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
As far as I know, AGP aperture can only go as high as 256MB, which is why the X1950XT is 256MB.
Ah, finally I see the reason why it didn't come in 512mb!
On the other side I thought about almost the same thing, but I guess it's clear.
Yeah, I also just found a page from 2002 explaining how to change an aperture for an older system from around the same time I guess.
It also says it will change the size when you update the BIOS by seeing what size your card is.
So that would immediately be taken care of if other BIOSes react the same.
Then I guess I should be taking notes of my BIOS' settings.
Since I wouldn't know how to set everything like someone experienced.
I've looked around the BIOS a bunch of times and maybe tried different settings for drives and stuff in the beginning.
But I wouldn't know what is right when and all that stuff :P .
Will they really not stay put with an update or can't be saved?
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23. July 2007 @ 13:18 |
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They will go back to default, you had best make note of what you changed. Unless you're an overclocker, you won't have changed much. Boot order is probably all you should need to change.
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23. July 2007 @ 13:55 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
They will go back to default, you had best make note of what you changed. Unless you're an overclocker, you won't have changed much. Boot order is probably all you should need to change.
All I'm actually worried about is if the computer will still start and things will still work.
I know I haven't messed with Voltages and things like that.
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23. July 2007 @ 14:01 |
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In that case you should be fine.
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23. July 2007 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
In that case you should be fine.
Kool, alright I'll fist see if perhaps the larger aperture-setting isn't already available.
Maybe if I can change it that it might actually help, or else I will try a BIOS-update.
I guess it should be updated anyways?
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23. July 2007 @ 14:06 |
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Not necessarily Some people go for every BIOS update that comes out, but I stick with stock and usually do alright, I'd say only change if you have to. There have been too many dodgy BIOSes for it to be worth doing on a regular basis.
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23. July 2007 @ 14:10 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not necessarily Some people go for every BIOS update that comes out, but I stick with stock and usually do alright, I'd say only change if you have to. There have been too many dodgy BIOSes for it to be worth doing on a regular basis.
Okay, yeah I'm not sure which one this is, might be just stock, small chance it's not.
Since this computer came from a colleague of my dad and it was simply formatted (fresh Windows install etc.) and sold to us as it was.
Also didn't get any manual or CD, just some burned ones with I think Windows and other applications.
I got a valid Windows-key from someone else though lol!
So I'll check the BIOS right now...
Edit:
I can't find a thing AGP-related in the BIOS.
I did however find the BIOS-version which is just the first one (F1).
On the official website it says first release, but then I don't know if they mean the first update or just the very first version.
The latest version is only from August 22nd 2005...
http://www.gigabyte.eu/Support/Motherboa...IPE1000%20Pro-G
Update:
I searched for how to set the aperture-size and I had to press CTRL+F1 in the main BIOS menu to show the hidden menu or features rather.
So I set it to 256, but unfortunately I don't notice much difference :( .
Maybe some smoother performance, but no higher performance as in high framerates and such.
It could also have been because I put the textures in BF2142 on Medium this time making it a bit smoother, I'm not sure.
Or did I have to put the aperture on 0? Which I doubt...
But would it help to reinstall the drivers again with these aperture-settings?
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23. July 2007 @ 20:06 |
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So now I want to see what happens when I've updated the BIOS.
I think I found a guide in the motherboard's PDF-manual and it claims to be easier than usual using something called Q-Flash.
But, I was like "crap", because it says I need to put the BIOS-file(s) on a floppy, but I might have some floppies, only not the god forgiven floppy-drive.
However, I do have a card-reader, so could I use an SD-card to flash the BIOS?
I'll have to do this the modern way somehow, or else pull the floppy-drive out of an older Compaq Pentium 3 and see to connect it to this one...
Which would obviously be a lot more of a hassle.
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24. July 2007 @ 00:03 |
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You may be able to do it off a bootable CD-ROM, but that's not guaranteed. You won't be able to use a memory card I'm afraid.
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24. July 2007 @ 00:30 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
You may be able to do it off a bootable CD-ROM, but that's not guaranteed. You won't be able to use a memory card I'm afraid.
Yeah, they told me I could do it with a CD-ROM when I asked it somewhere else like months ago.
But ahm, man, they should really replace FDDs with those card-readers or something, or flash-drives, anything non-floppy.
If they haven't already, this motherboard is from around 2004 so I don't know about newer ones.
And this one asks specifically for floppies I think.
I believe I also read somewhere you could use a flash/memory-stick, which I have.
But I thought then you'd have to use @BIOS or something, which was not recommended because people had problems with it.
Well, I'll be looking for an FDD in the attic, I believe I have a nice cable for it somewhere.
With bright green sleeving around it XD .
Btw, would I have to put some specific settings for the FDD?
I guess I could add a FDD in the BIOS, but I mean that would be enough to flash?
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24. July 2007 @ 00:39 |
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There's a floppy drive in my PC, and it also has a nioce red braided cable, but is it attached? nope!
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24. July 2007 @ 01:26 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
There's a floppy drive in my PC, and it also has a nioce red braided cable, but is it attached? nope!
Lol yeah, there wasn't one in ours when we bought it used, and we didn't even bother to get another one.
You know... I don't quite understand that you can't just install BIOS' in Windows or else type in a directory in the BIOS instead of choosing to call it from a floppy.
Might be a DOS or safety thing, but it sooner or later has to go.
I understood that DOS will be gone when "Vienna" is out?
Because of a 64bit processor thing I believe.
Well, all I know is that then there will only be 64bit processors supported, and people with C2D will be kinda stuck with it.
That will be the next system for me, 64bit Intel CPU with "Vienna" and hopefully flash-drives and an OLED-screen.
What else was new... oh yeah, HD-DVD and... hmm, a GeForce 9800GTX with DirectX10 of course.
Maybe 11 by then (2009/2010)?
*dream*drool* :P
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24. July 2007 @ 02:43 |
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I guess limiting the arpature size is kinda like bottlenecking the memory. I had a 6800GS 512mb csrd before this card, and the arpature will only go up to 256mb in my BIOS (that's where you change it)
Since I have a ASUS mobo, I just went to their site and searched for the name of my mobo, and the site automatically searches for the newest drivers, so I found a beta driver for my BIOS, downloaded it and then installed it using a program called ASUS update.
So basically updating the BIOS is really simple.
One other thing is that once you update the bios, you have to redo all of you settings, like set the default boot device priority etc.
I'm running drivers from the web site, not the cd.
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24. July 2007 @ 02:53 |
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Btw dinc, that geforce 9 series card will probably have dx10.5 or dx11. I don't think nvidia will be coming out with a new series of cards for a while since they just released the 8 series cards.
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24. July 2007 @ 04:36 |
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Originally posted by Waymon3X6:
Btw dinc, that geforce 9 series card will probably have dx10.5 or dx11. I don't think nvidia will be coming out with a new series of cards for a while since they just released the 8 series cards.
I'm sure it's time for new cards in 1 or 2 years.
Even though the best ones at the moment are so much better than most that they will last for quite a while, just like the best of the 7 Series.
I updated the BIOS, no improvement, reinstalled drivers, no improvement.
I don't know what this card's problem is, guess the only options are either trying Zalman-cooling or else another card.
Even though the card doesn't get too hot, while it still crashes the computer.
I should see if it still does that now... be right back...
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24. July 2007 @ 05:11 |
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Yeap, still crashes during the 3DMark06 Demo, even earlier.
But I found some things in the BIOS of which I don't know exactly what they are and do.
Maybe you guys can inform me better:
HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability, is Disabled.
I've read about it before, it's for something like information right?
Would it help my HDDs to Enable the feature or would I need to find out if they support it?
C.I.A. Function, Disabled.
I think it's some feature by Gigabyte, do you know what it is and could I also use that?
It's one of the hidden features I could call up, sooo maybe I'll contact the CIA or something.
CPU Host Clock Control.
What is this, should I change the value or leave it alone?
Init Display First, PCI or AGP.
Those are the settings for it and it's currently on PCI, didn't change it or anything else of these features for that matter.
Maybe it could help the GPU?
But it only seems for displaying something according to the name.
And lastly, there's another hidden feature called 'Top Performance'.
Which is Disabled, could I get better performance by Enabling it or will it go heavy on my system?
When I enter that menu to choose 'Enabled' or 'Disabled' it first literally displays:
'Top Performance Setting is Highly Related to System Configuration.
Please Check Devices before Setting.'
Then press a key to continue and choose between on or off.
Anything helpful here?
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24. July 2007 @ 06:55 |
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I doubt it, Motherboards can only do so much within the BIOS by themselves. That option sounds a bit wooly.
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24. July 2007 @ 06:59 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I doubt it, Motherboards can only do so much within the BIOS by themselves. That option sounds a bit wooly.
All of them?...
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24. July 2007 @ 07:27 |
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There's no magic option to make your PC go twice as fast, all that will do is optimise some settings, or perform an automatic overclock. Those aren't usually that great anyway because they give no consideration for heat or voltage control.
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24. July 2007 @ 07:45 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
There's no magic option to make your PC go twice as fast, all that will do is optimise some settings, or perform an automatic overclock. Those aren't usually that great anyway because they give no consideration for heat or voltage control.
Alright.
So I'm sending the card and a noisy fan back this week for the exact same ones but then new(er).
If I can't get much out of that card as-is, I'll try with a set of Zalman-cooling (even though it's pretty cool) and if then still not...
Well, then the card is just messed up for some reason or maybe only some work right, I don't know.
And if the fan is still noisy, then that's messed up and it's NOT under 24db as claimed (even by reviewers) lol.
Let's see what happens.
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24. July 2007 @ 08:25 |
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The fan's probably right. 24dB should be barely audible with no other components in your case running, I doubt it. What's the size and speed of the fan? I can probably give you how loud it actually is, based on those figures, fans don't actually differ that much!
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24. July 2007 @ 10:14 |
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Btw dinc, that geforce 9 series card will probably have dx10.5 or dx11. I don't think nvidia will be coming out with a new series of cards for a while since they just released the 8 series cards.
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24. July 2007 @ 10:34 |
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Oh yea, dinc. The option in your BIOS that says PCI selected and then agp, in my Bios I've got agp and the pci. So it looks like this:
Agp/pci
Maybe that's the problem? I don't really see how an agp mobo could be compatable with a pci-e card, so I'm not really sure what that option is for... But I would change it to agp/pci instead of what you have.
At what temps does your card get to when running 3dmark06? I've had my computer crash once when running withour my extra big fan running on it. I've even had something that resembled the bsod when it crashed.
My card is usually at 39c-41c idle and can get to 58c when playing bf2.
However, when I run the "show 3d view option" in ati tool, the temp has gotten to as high as 69c (that's when I just click the abort butten.)
Do you know why this is? Why does ati tool stress the card more than bf2?
@dinc, when you run the "show 3d view" thing, what is your fps average? Mine is around 560-570 and the highest (not average) it has gotten it to 620.
I also hear that other people get to as high as 80c when their system shuts off, so why does mine shut off at around 72? How do these people have that extra "headroom"
Dinc, I would monitor the temps while running the "show 3d view" option in ati tool and post back and tell us what it says. The temps shouldn't get over 69c.
Also tell me the fps average you get, because if you are getting low frames than me (560-570) then their is something wrong with the card, for sure.
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24. July 2007 @ 10:38 |
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Note that PCI is not equal to PCI express.
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