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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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1. August 2008 @ 09:36 |
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Indeedy, I can't wait. Darn it HIS, hurry up with the ICEQ4s already!
For those of you considering a lower-end card, note the following results:
The 9600GSO is best avoided...
Another 'Last gen chart':
9600GSO: 366 (est)
HD2900XT: 416
9600GT: 449 (est)
HD3870: 452
8800GT: 525
8800GTS G92: 598
8800GT OC: 594
8800GTS G92 OC: 644
9800GTX: 644
8800GTX: 647
8800 Ultra: 710
9800GTX OC: 758
HD4850: 787
HD4850 OC: 839
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1. August 2008 @ 10:45 |
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Yeah, my dad has a Car Dealership.
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harvrdguy
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1. August 2008 @ 16:18 |
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Wow Sam another brilliant performance comparison! This also gets copied and pasted to my upgrade text file:
Originally posted by sam:
More results tables for those interested. This time comparing the best of the best single card, an overclocked GTX280, to the best value performance set, a pair of HD4850s.
Call of Duty 2560x1600-4xAA: GTX280 - 67fps, HD4850CF - 73fps
GRiD 2560x1600-4xAA: GTX280 - 50fps, HD4850CF - 31fps
World in Conflict 2560x1600-4xAA: GTX280 - 42fps, HD4850CF - 42fps
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 2560x1600-0xAA: GTX280 - 70fps, HD4850CF - 74fps
Half Life 2 Episode Two 2560x1600-8xAA: GTX280 - 67fps, HD4850CF - 83fps
Oblivion 2560x1600-4xAA: GTX280 - 79fps, HD4850CF - 94fps
Assassin's Creed 2560x1600-0xAA: GTX280 - 51fps, HD4850CF - 50fps
Assassin's Creed 2560x1600-4xAA: GTX280 - 39fps, HD4850CF - 51fps (different game section to above test)
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars 2560x1600-4xAA: GTX280 - 74fps, HD4850CF - 87fps
GRiD 1920x1200-4xAA: GTX280 - 72fps, HD4850CF - 105fps
Lost Planet Colonies 1920x1200-0xAA: GTX280 - 76fps, HD4850CF - 55fps
Crysis 1920x1200-0xAA Hi: GTX280 - 30fps, HD4850CF - 29fps
Crysis 1920x1200-0xAA VH: GTX280 - 20fps, HD4850CF - 22fps
Shaff agrees - cf 4850. What's your take on it abuzar, do you agree too?
You crack me up, sam - 8 simultaneous Simpson episodes!! Well why not since you're running a desktop as big as a movie theater!
Hey boozer, that is truly a beautiful screen you're running. I know that shaff knows what you've written on the screen but enlighten the rest of us, please. What is the language, Urdu?, and what do the characters mean?
Car dealership! Eagle-eyes sam doesn't miss anything - does everybody see why sam insists on the best graphics quality? Well, with a Toyota dealership, I bet your dad's going to try to entice you to drive some sporty model from the lot, instead of taking your life in your hands on that rocket-fast Yamaha, lol. Also what resolution are you running on your desktop?
More great info from Sam - "samandtech" as he's known :)
Originally posted by samandtech:
Another 'Last gen chart':
9600GSO: 366 (est)
HD2900XT: 416
9600GT: 449 (est)
HD3870: 452
8800GT: 525
8800GTS G92: 598
8800GT OC: 594
8800GTS G92 OC: 644
9800GTX: 644
8800GTX: 647
8800 Ultra: 710
9800GTX OC: 758
HD4850: 787
HD4850 OC: 839
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1. August 2008 @ 16:56 |
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4850cf is the way to go!
Oh and it's Arabic. It says Allah.
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harvrdguy
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1. August 2008 @ 18:16 |
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Allah! Allah Akhbar!! (Did I mess up the spelling on that, boozer? It's ok for me, a non-muslim - to say Allah Akhbar, right? Or not?)
Ok with abuzar weighing in, we're all agreed on CF4850 - Yeah!
Help! I want to go cheeeeepppppeeee but I don't want to get screwed :(
Sam does not want me to buy the 3850 agp sapphire with atrocious fan that doesn't work - but $139 - soooo cheap!! HIS is $229, minus rebate, $189 still $50 more plus I have to wait for rebate. And lots of reviews from other dudes who bought HIS ICEQ who couldn't get it working!! WHY???? I agree it doesn't make sense since HIS cpu cooler is THE BEST I think, recalling from last year, so ICE Q should be worth it - and I know Sam is waiting for 4850 ICE Q, but what about those newegg reviews from the guys who had to switch to sapphire???? One last thing, I'm keeping psu, and I DO have lots of case cooling right now I think. Is there any significant difference in power consumption between the two cards? My psu is marginal, Allied POS 500 watts but only 20 amps on 12 volt rail, but I'm thinking 3850agp shouldn't take much more juice than current x850xtpe. Another reason for sapphire?????
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1. August 2008 @ 18:28 |
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lol
Sure Muslims dont mind when EVEN OTHERS say Allah is great! lol
My 4850 cost me a cool 155.
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harvrdguy
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1. August 2008 @ 19:02 |
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All right, then. Allah Akhbar!!
Boozer $155 for 4850. Damn that even fries me more to shell out $229 for HIS 3850 agp and wait for rebate, and still invest $189. Sam are you absolutely sure I can't just scrape by with sapphire and shi**y cooler, with my excessive cooling that I already have: Originally posted by rich:
Kama bay scythe front inlet 120mm 1600 rpm, side exhaust scythe 120mm 800 rpm, beefed up both back exhausts 80mm, blitztorm with turbine exhaust and extra fan blowing up onto bottom of card, cpu isolated with intake from side case cover through tube of sunbeam kit.
You mentioned noisy on sapphire, but I'm already noisy as hell with the blitztorm turned up, and I use headphones, so noise - not an issue. $139 - oh so cheappeeee!! Say it's ok Sam!!!
Lol Rich
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1. August 2008 @ 19:57 |
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My Sapphire HD3870 made to that design was not only noisy and hot, but it also broke within a day...
The HIS version probably has negative comments solely on the basis that it's a high end card, which are never reliable, even when they're not the Gecube 1950.
I'm not going to change my tune that a 3850 AGP is a bad idea, especially given how cheap a decent 4850 is. Hell, if you haven't got the funds, get a new board and keep the CPU! RAM is cheap as chips for DDR2 now, if you expand on DDR1 you will pay far more. if your existing RAM is already DDR2, just transfer it across.
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harvrdguy
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1. August 2008 @ 21:19 |
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Yeah, Sam, but as I recall, your 3870 was bought on ebay and not newegg - so yeah it broke in one day, but I could always RMA mine back to newegg. When you say the guys had trouble because any high-end agp card is problematic - that's probably spot on my exact point. They couldn't get the drivers to work. Over and over that was the HIS complaint, and then when they put the sapphire in it fired up easily!!
So:
1. yours broke in one day but if that happened I could Rma
2. Any difference in power consumption?
3. I have boat loads of cooling already - I'm probably ok, right?
4. I don't care about noise - I already have a high-db rig LOL
5. performance is the same, right? Or at least close?
6. price/performance ratio - $139 cheap cheap cheap, and did I mention, cheap?
Whatcha Say Sam??
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1. August 2008 @ 21:31 |
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whats is the rest of your specs?
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|. |
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harvrdguy
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1. August 2008 @ 23:19 |
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Hey shaff, it's just a p4 at 3.2 gig, agp, 1 gig ram that I'll change to 2 gigs for $73, weak allied 500 watts psu with only 20amps on 12 volt rail, that I don't want to change, 2246 3dmarks with my x850xtpe that I want to change out for the 3850 - lots of cooling and ventilation - see back a few posts. I'm just looking to (cheaply) finalize the rig, get shader 3.0, play airborne, and double my 3dmarks to somewhere in the 4000s. Then I'll retire the rig next year and do a new build, new case, the works - keep this one for a friend or for a spare.
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1. August 2008 @ 23:57 |
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the 3850 wont work. trust me. 20A ont he 12V. your P4 at 3.2 is goign to eat ALOT of that. its a voltage muncher.
please ditch the entire thisn NOWWW!!!!
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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2. August 2008 @ 00:30 |
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2. August 2008 @ 00:54 |
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Well the Corsair is the only 1KW psu rated for TRI sli. Just saying...
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2. August 2008 @ 08:31 |
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Nope - that particular 3870 came from a shop - it was promptly RMA'ed for an Asus instead. The ebay one worked brilliantly until I broke it trying to install the crummy S1 cooler.
Ray: No, the 700W Kingwin won't cut it. However, two 4870X2s only draw about 650W with an overclocked quad core. You could potentially get away with an 850W Zalman. To be on the safe side though, get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817379009
Don't get the Antec, your ears will bleed.
Why not the Corsair, you ask? I like my quiet PSUs, and as it happens, I'm pretty certain the Zalman 1KW is as quiet as they come.
Corsair's mainstream PSUs (not sure about the 1KW but I see no reason why it would be different) reach 40dB around 500W for the modular ones, and 400W for the non-Modulars (with the exception of the VX which reaches this level at 300W). Since nobody usually uses that much power, nobody says Corsair PSUs are noisy.
The Zalman 1KW unit, on the other hand, doesn't reach 40dB until an astonishing 800W, and that's as loud as it ever gets. Other Corsair units go to at least 43dB, sometimes as much as 50dB.
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2. August 2008 @ 11:08 |
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MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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2. August 2008 @ 11:11 |
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To my knowledge, they aren't available in the US. Apart from the extra power connectors though, they're nothing special. Corsair and Enermax offer the same level of quality and performance, and quietness...
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2. August 2008 @ 11:27 |
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well im sure they will pop up in the US at some point.
with the rails within 1% of their rated voltages, underload and not, im very happy with this.
i cant even hear it when i put my ear next to it. and i love the fan connectors.
and it looks very nice :)
plus with only 1 hardwired cable, cablemangement hasnt been easier.
wait so they offer amazing quailty, and yet you post seems to put them down....why?
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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2. August 2008 @ 13:14 |
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I'm not putting them down, but all my rails are also 1% within spec, the PSU is dead silent by comparison to most units (I can't say I can't hear it because that's a lie, all PSUs make electrical buzz I can hear). The Bequiet units I'm sure are good, but they're not the only good units out there.
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2. August 2008 @ 13:43 |
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and i have never said there is not other brilliant PSUs. it always seems when i bring this one up, you seem not to like it....
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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2. August 2008 @ 14:12 |
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It doesn't matter, HE CANT BUY THEM IN THE US.
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2. August 2008 @ 16:24 |
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That's pretty much the sum of it. Creature of habit as I am I recommend Corsair to people in the UK, and of course there not being a BeQuiet in the US I can't recommend them there, but if someone outlined me a build with a BeQuiet PSU in I wouldn't tell them to change it - just because I don't advocate a brand doesn't mean I don't like it.
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2. August 2008 @ 17:12 |
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i understand you cannot get them, i wasnt arguing that at all.
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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2. August 2008 @ 17:43 |
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Well... I don't know what to say.
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2. August 2008 @ 17:44 |
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Nor me...
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