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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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26. September 2008 @ 08:07 |
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I know it's cheap, but for safety, I wouldn't go with anything less than an earthwatts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005
They're silent, seemingly pretty reliable and are free from the rather large pile of question marks over the Truepower series.
They're also more efficient than the truepower, which means even if the system is only used at idle load for 6 hours a day they will save you at least 5 dollars a year.
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26. September 2008 @ 08:32 |
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i thought about that to Sam. so i jus twent with the newer coolermaster extreme power plus 500w PSU not as loud as that extremem power 500w i got from a good buddy.that now another good buddy has..lol
ok here is the AMD build..pretty much the same as the intel other than mobo and CPU and added a keyboard and mouse.
COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$39.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$59.99
BIOSTAR TFORCE TA780G M2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$79.99
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-500-PCAR-A3 500W ATX12V V2.3 Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
$49.99
Logitech Cordless Desktop EX100 Black USB RF Wireless Standard Keyboard Mouse Included - OEM
$24.99
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400C4 $30.00 Mail-in Rebate $57.00
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Brisbane 2.7GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor Model ADO5200DOBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103210
$66.00
Subtotal: $377.95
GO Shipping: $34.65
Grand Total: $412.60
not bad at all.. i just sent her the link for this so i should know soon if she wants to go this route.
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26. September 2008 @ 08:39 |
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@cincyrob
remember to get a cpu cooler. the cpu you are getting is an oem and does not come with the stock cooler.
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26. September 2008 @ 08:40 |
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It says retail next to the item number...
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26. September 2008 @ 08:42 |
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oh, nevermind. the link that russ posted was to the oem version an i thought that was the one he listed. my bad.
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26. September 2008 @ 08:44 |
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Coolermaster extreme PSU? Meh, I'm just superstitious... :P
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26. September 2008 @ 08:53 |
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A few days back the 430W earthwatts was 30bucks at newegg! Free shippin too.
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26. September 2008 @ 08:55 |
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Now it's more than double, without the rebate... :S
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26. September 2008 @ 10:37 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Coolermaster extreme PSU? Meh, I'm just superstitious... :P
the one i had sam was a good PSU just the fan was so damn loud. bigwill has it now.. he took the fan off of it and replaced it with one of the blue led 120mm cant hear it run now.
the one i linked to (well no link) is the new extreme power PLUS.
they have these over at my microcenter in a CM590 case and you cant hear it run at all. im sure if it has enough juice to run bigwill's system it can handle the one im gonna be building for MOM in law.
plus i can get it $8 cheaper at microcenter and not pay shipping on it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...N82E16817171018
the $44 one is the one i had.and is loud....
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26. September 2008 @ 10:55 |
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Ah right ok, looks like they did sort those units out then...
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26. September 2008 @ 11:11 |
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yea thats what im hopeing for anyways..lol
yet to hear back from her. im kinda excited to do another build.let alone a AMD one...
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26. September 2008 @ 12:04 |
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26. September 2008 @ 13:15 |
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is the 450w enough power?
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26. September 2008 @ 13:37 |
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Quick Question :A 12v line is a 12v line, same with 5v. My question is aren't amps more important ? Higher is better! RIGHT!
I know if U hAVE a 100 extention cord a 12 or 10 gauge wire will run cooler then a 14 or 16 gauge. I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the AMPERS & the draw on the power. Another thing if U have a 20Amp breaker & run something that requires 30Amp, it will get hotter then Haddies and eventually kick off. Does not the same principle apply to Computers
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26. September 2008 @ 14:04 |
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Not exactly, rather than run 'hotter than Hades' it will simply shut down when you overload it, or if you have a cheap PSU, it will run hotter than Hades, and promptly melt, go bang, catch fire, or any combination of the three.
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26. September 2008 @ 14:37 |
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cincyrob,
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is the 450w enough power?
More than enough for a stock machine!
Russ
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26. September 2008 @ 14:45 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
is the 450w enough power?
plenty for no more than what you're doing with it. actually a 250 watt psu would suffice although I wouldn't recommend it. even a good 350 watt psu would work fine for what your doing.
edit: sorry russ, you posted while I was typing.
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26. September 2008 @ 14:47 |
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A 250W PSU could have run my gaming PC when it had the overclocked E4300 and HD3870, I wouldn't do it, but that shows, a stock machine will run on a basic PSU. AMD CPUs do seem to use a lot more power than the Intels though, so having an ample PSU is always wise.
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26. September 2008 @ 14:47 |
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275W PSU's. Very efficient, very fast indeed, and tiny cases. Just what the electricy bill needs :)
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They cost less than £200 each, at that price it was only right that i bought myself a couple too.
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26. September 2008 @ 14:48 |
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:O - nice work!
Is that an Optiarc drive I spy in the picture?
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26. September 2008 @ 14:54 |
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sammorris,
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A 250W PSU could have run my gaming PC when it had the overclocked E4300 and HD3870, I wouldn't do it, but that shows, a stock machine will run on a basic PSU. AMD CPUs do seem to use a lot more power than the Intels though, so having an ample PSU is always wise.
They are both 65w, so I don't see how it can use more power. AMD MBs don't manage power as well as the Intels, but the CPUs draw the same watts! At least anything comparable to a 64x2 5200+ does!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. September 2008 @ 15:45 |
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TDP is not how much a CPU actually uses it seems, far from it:
The TDP of the 6000+ is at worst 125W, and the TDP of the E5200 is 65W, so that puts the CPUs themselves 55W apart. Taking a worst case scenario let's say the AMD chipset uses 30W more (unlikely), and factor in poor efficiency of 75% for both the motherboard regulators and the PSU overall. That leaves us with a big gap, but not the 145W more that thetechreport experienced.
More to the point, the E8500 and E7200 are 19W apart and they have the same TDP...
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26. September 2008 @ 15:49 |
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I'm glad we're finally talking about AMD's. I've been thinking of going that route to replace the CPU & mobo I recently killed.
I'll be lurking with interest...
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26. September 2008 @ 15:52 |
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After that though, it's a bit worrying. The 6000+ isn't even that much faster than the E7200, it's what, 10% at best? Consider that if for example your PC is at full load for 30 hours a week, and idle for another 30, in the space of just a week you use an extra 5.4 units of electricity. Over the space of a year, 280 units, which is what, 50 dollars plus? Over here at least it'd be 40 pounds, and that's more than half the cost of the E7200 itself.
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26. September 2008 @ 16:11 |
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sammorris,
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The TDP of the 6000+ is at worst 125W, and the TDP of the E5200 is 65W, so that puts the CPUs themselves 55W apart. Taking a worst case scenario let's say the AMD chipset uses 30W more (unlikely), and factor in poor efficiency of 75% for both the motherboard regulators and the PSU overall. That leaves us with a big gap, but not the 145W more that thetechreport experienced.
He's not going to use a 6000+ unless he changed his mind, he listed the 64x2 5200+, which is 65 watts not 125! CineBench shows the total watts used by the computer, not just the CPU. The are implying that the Intel chips are more efficient, when they are not! The chipsets may be more efficient on the Intels, but that has nothing to do with the CPU! It's total nonsense! The total energy used depends a lot more on the power saving abilities of the MB, than it does on what CPU you use! 65w CPU power consumption is 65w of power the CPU consumes! Unless you overclock either CPU, it will only draw 65w! The AMD motherboards just aren't as power efficient as the Intels, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the CPU if the wattages are the same! The 6000+ at 125w, would draw more power and make more heat! The 5200+ is the better chip for the use intended!
Best Regards,
Russ
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