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27. September 2008 @ 13:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
wow, thats great. why would they make them the same price? Anyways, in SA the cheapest i could find for Q9450 is around R3200 and Q9550 is R3500, but this site doesn't include delivery fee, if included it should be at least R3600 in total for Q9550. But unfortunately C1 stepping.

and what does "VID Voltage Range: 0.85V ? 1.3625V" mean?

Sometimes i rather buy AMD Phenom than Intel Penryn, because it's also quad core and it's cheaper...the performance is not great but hey it's a quad core!

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Weren't you part of the TDP discussion? The Phenoms are more expensive in the long run...



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yeah but that sometimes was before the conversation

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krj15489 ! Which ver os Server R U using 32 or 64
im using the 64 bit version

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oh crap i only realize now that my current mobo doesnt support FSB1333+ man, that mean i must get a mobo first.

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mine doesnt support fsb 1600+ but im running 1692...lol



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your motherboard does support FSB1600
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Moth...?ProductID=2842

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sammorris,
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The 6000+ is a recent AMD CPU, I don't see what's wrong with comparing it to an equivalent performing Intel CPU.

I understand that, but the CPU that was chosen was the 64x2 5200+ compared to the E5200, and they are both 65 watts! Given that you are comparing the 6000+ and the E7200, the overall price rises compared to the 64x2 5200+ by at least $50. If no overclocking is required, as is the case here, the AMDs the better deal for a general use home/office computer! Besides, I can make more money building AMDs!ROFL!!

BTW, AMD has just recently brought out the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.1GHz Socket AM2 89W Dual-Core Processor Model ADV60000DOBOX. Newegg has them for $92. All I've been building of late is AMDs. The popular choice for customers is the 64x2 5200+ followed by the 64x2 5600+. Most of the stuff I replace is old and slow to begin with, mostly single cores, so they are always dazzled by the difference in performance! LOL!! The BioStar MB I've been using is a high quality bullet proof design that's like a Timex! They just keep on ticking! I've had one failure in the last 2.5 years, and that was my own when BioStar accidentally got the TForce and GForce bios's mixed up! I had a new MB within 12 hours, and they paid both ways! Most of the stuff I build runs 24/7, so they seem to hold up pretty well!

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Does anybody know what is causing this problem? And or how to fix it
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The application failed to initialize properly(0xc000007b).Click on OK to terminate the application
This isn't the only application that this happens
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well it sure does.. i was thinking of my other board ga-p35-ds3r.. i didnt even realise the board now goes that high...hmmmm
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@rick5446 sorry i couldn't help you, i don't know what that software is about

@cincyrob of course, that is a great mobo after all...

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GTR35: its to create a bootable Win disc
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For the average PC builder, nobody considers the power usage of the CPUs at all, so it's hardly an issue for them, and since the CPUs themselves are dirt cheap, as I say, they make sense for budget builds or upgrades. As far as the genuine cost of the systems go though, whether you see it or not, the AMDs seem to lose out.
The 5600+ you use is, as far as I can see 85W TDP, and it's idle load is 36W above the E7200, and working load 87W higher.
AMD's BE chips when paired with the 690G fare well, a BE-2350 normnally runs 2W above an E4300 at idle, and 9W above one at load. Use the 690G however, and those figures change to 9W below at idle and 17W below at load. Using integrated graphics pays dividends too, as by using the 690G's integrated graphics rather than a discrete card, the figures drop by 40W.
The lowest-consuming CPU is the X2 3800+ SFF, which runs 7W below the BE-2350, but with appropriately mediocre performance.

Run the G965's integrated graphics with the E4300, however, and the results are barely any higher. 59W idle for the BE-2350, 64W for the E4300, and 87 AMD, 91 Intel, for full load.
A win for AMD in this test, as not only does the Intel CPU use a few more watts, but it also takes longer to render the scene, 42 seconds versus the AMD's 38. However, doing some reading, the rocketship E8500 45nm chip uses much less power than older 65nm chips such as the E6750, which ultimately means, an E8500 would use less power than a BE-2350. Make of that what you will...



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Originally posted by sammorris:
For the average PC builder, nobody considers the power usage of the CPUs at all, so it's hardly an issue for them, and since the CPUs themselves are dirt cheap, as I say, they make sense for budget builds or upgrades. As far as the genuine cost of the systems go though, whether you see it or not, the AMDs seem to lose out.
The 5600+ you use is, as far as I can see 85W TDP, and it's idle load is 36W above the E7200, and working load 87W higher.
AMD's BE chips when paired with the 690G fare well, a BE-2350 normnally runs 2W above an E4300 at idle, and 9W above one at load. Use the 690G however, and those figures change to 9W below at idle and 17W below at load. Using integrated graphics pays dividends too, as by using the 690G's integrated graphics rather than a discrete card, the figures drop by 40W.
The lowest-consuming CPU is the X2 3800+ SFF, which runs 7W below the BE-2350, but with appropriately mediocre performance.

Run the G965's integrated graphics with the E4300, however, and the results are barely any higher. 59W idle for the BE-2350, 64W for the E4300, and 87 AMD, 91 Intel, for full load.
A win for AMD in this test, as not only does the Intel CPU use a few more watts, but it also takes longer to render the scene, 42 seconds versus the AMD's 38. However, doing some reading, the rocketship E8500 45nm chip uses much less power than older 65nm chips such as the E6750, which ultimately means, an E8500 would use less power than a BE-2350. Make of that what you will...

You hit the nail right on the head! Nobody considers power usage, or cares about it! They just look at what they get for how little it costs them! It's usually many times faster than what they had before, so they're always happy!

Russ


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Russ,

I cannot believe you actually used the "quotes", instead of 'cut n paste".....hey, good for you and congrads.
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The average user doesn't think about it. When they realise that over the course of a few years, if they use their PC a lot, the AMD stands them an extra hundred dollars or more, maybe they'd reconsider... :P



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Originally posted by sammorris:
The average user doesn't think about it. When they realise that over the course of a few years, if they use their PC a lot, the AMD stands them an extra hundred dollars or more, maybe they'd reconsider... :P
Sam,
They don't look at it that way! If they saw a $20 a month increase in their electric bill, perhaps they would. People wouldn't notice 3 or 4 dollars a month more. I can see it being more of a concern for you, as you are a "gamer", you've overclocked and still there's the power draw of a higher end video card to consider into the total cost of running your computer! The Energy Saving Features of most motherboards only work at the default settings, so for us overclockers, they are pointless and useless!

Energy costs for this house are about $100 a month. In the winter, the electric goes down but the gas goes up, so it always stays right around $100 a month. Funny how that works! LOL!! We also pay on an Energy plan where we pay a flat $96 fee every month because we use less electricity and Gas than a lot of our neighbors. They adjust it every December! So far in the last 3 years we always wound up with a credit on December's bills. Our last December's bill we only owed $16.67 out of the monthly $96 the bill runs as we had a credit of $79.33, so we earned back almost $80 for the entire year by using less than the power company's energy usage projections for this house! You know all the different computers I've had over the last 3-4 years. We've always had at least two computers here from The Dual 1.0GHz P-III Dell 420, to the Current AMD of Russells, and a P4 Prescot through my present E6750, and the power usage hasn't gone up at all. The difference for the last 3 years could be covered with less than $5! Of course I do turn off lights when they are not needed. I used to wake up in the middle of the night and every damn light in the house would be on. That's changed so now we are both more careful! Back then the bills used to run $125-$130 a month, mostly because of waste! We've also switched to more energy efficient, energy saving light bulbs, and replaced a few appliances with more energy efficient ones. It all helps!

Best Regards,
Russ


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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Russ,

I cannot believe you actually used the "quotes", instead of 'cut n paste".....hey, good for you and congrads.
I know that has NOTHING to do with PC building but it's FUNNY!! hehehee. ;O

I'm sorry Russ, don't mean to use you for a joke but hey it was funny and I needed the LOL after the week I've had. :D

Interesting talk on power consumption the last few pages. ;) Russ you're right a few more bucks haven't been noticed in my household.. BUT when there's 4 computers running sometime soon I'll see what the wifey says. ROFL. :P

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Interesting talk on power consumption the last few pages. ;) Russ you're right a few more bucks haven't been noticed in my household.. BUT when there's 4 computers running sometime soon I'll see what the wifey says. ROFL. :P

The most you would likely see would be an $8 to $12 increase, and frankly from what I've seen with our bills, I don't even think it will be noticeable. If you overclock the Power Saving stuff doesn't work anyway! It turns off! Witness how fast the Asus EPU chip all but disappeared from the face of the earth! Fact is, the people who buy those high dollar motherboards don't want "Power Savings", they want "Power"! Opps, I guess I just involved about 80% of the members of AD! ROFLMAO!

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wow, i don't know who must i concur with. What sam said is wrong ad so is russ. Sometimes my computer runs 24/7 for 2 months, and the elec bill DID increase quite A LOT! and i'm using Intel cpu. But hey, it did use less elec than AMD ones

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Originally posted by GTR35:
wow, i don't know who must i concur with. What sam said is wrong ad so is russ. Sometimes my computer runs 24/7 for 2 months, and the elec bill DID increase quite A LOT! and i'm using Intel cpu. But hey, it did use less elec than AMD ones

A lot depends on what you do with the computer, in the first place. Take Sam! He's a gamer, so he would use a lot more energy than I do, regardless of what platform he used. Folks like Rob or GM do a lot of burning, so they would use even more energy than Sam or I use.

When I first moved here, I had a P4 Prescot, 3.0/800 and my roomie had the Dell Dual P-III 1.0GHz workstation. He got the P4 when I built the Dual Core 3.2GHz Presler. When I built my first E4300 C2D, I built him an Athlon 64 4000+. Now I have the E6750 and he has an AMD AM2 64x2 4800+ and the electric bills have varied less than $4 a month over the last 3 years. I have a total of 6 fans running, compared to his three. 3 case fans, a Freezer 7, chipset fan and the video card. He has a 92mm exhaust fan, a 50mm for the chipset, a Freezer 64 and on-board 6150 graphics. We use about $30-$35 a month less electricity today than when I first moved here. All I'm saying is we haven't see much of an increase in power consumption over the last three years, regardless of what combination of computers we've had running on several different platforms, it doesn't reflect $50 a year. Maybe $20 a year at the most, or about $1.66 a month. I'm just not fussed about that at all!

Best Regards,
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sorry russ, the sentence that you quoted, really, after reading it again, i can't remember when i siad that. I think i was suppose to say you two are right and not wrong. Anyways, you got the point right. It all depends on what you're doing.

I game quite a lot, but not as lot as you guys. What i use my computer for is to download anime, movies etc and i seldom game, unless i have a new game such as Warhead. Otherwise i only use it for multi-media and it's running 24/7, maybe thats the reason the bill increased.

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Ah, but that two dollars over the course of an year is 24 dollars! aha!
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how the heck can anybody know exactly how much power their pc is consuming unless they put it on it's own dedicated electric meter. there are too many other variables. the amount the a/c runs and how much you use your oven or stove top, and dryer (if electric) and even your toaster, will dramatically change your power consumption much more than how much you use your pc, what processor it has or how often it is on.

the power consumption of my pc is probably the last thing I consider when I look at each monthly electric bill. there are just too many variables and other appliances that make a much larger difference.

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I've got a 650 watt PSU, If U get a an average of what a kilowatt hr is and figure a 100 watt light bulb x 6.50. Mine Comp averages 20 bucks a month its mostly on 24/7
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