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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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30. September 2008 @ 18:25 |
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Umm, well in that case windows vista 64 bit wouldn't give you much of an advantage unless you have 64bit programs which would benefit because you have 64bit CPUs. I honestly think 2GB of RAM is enough for Vista but I would get more and use superfetch which is a really cool feature.
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30. September 2008 @ 18:29 |
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Vista 64-bit uses more than 2GB just sitting at the desktop, so I would ALWAYS recommend getting at least 4GB for it.
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30. September 2008 @ 18:33 |
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rick, get some more.
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30. September 2008 @ 18:58 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
As you can see, the conversation involved 4 regular members, discussing GigaByte motherboards. Had there been a newbie in the conversation, I wouldn't have said a word! You would only need to read about 93-96 pages if all the references to the adjustability and how much better the bios is, were removed!
Russ
Newbie or not, he was replying to a question by GTR35, and gave HIS opinion, something everyone does around here, and I see no problem in that at all, you do it frequently. So I guess only you can give opinions?
No, the difference is I've learned to say my piece and move on to something else. I don't go there again unless I'm asked! I have no problem with the opinions, I do have a problem with repetitiveness of those opinions where they aren't welcome or needed!
Respectfully,
Russ
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30. September 2008 @ 19:16 |
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sytyguy, watch it!!
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30. September 2008 @ 19:25 |
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you know what ppl, I am so sick of the gigabyte fanboyism here at AD (or is it anti-asusism), that I think I'll just take it upon myself to stay the hell off this forum. nobody here will ever experience an asus or any other mobo for that matter with all the gigabyte preaching here. what a shame. there are other mobo manufacturers besides gigabyte (and yes there are some that are even better) but you wouldn't know it if you came here looking for advice. all that the ppl here would do is suggest or recommend different model GB mobos. DON'T DARE TO RECOMMEND AN ASUS MOBO.
GTR was considering a new mobo and I through out my opinion. it wasn't a precious GB, so guess who got flamed. I'm sick and tired of it. see ya.
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sytyguy
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30. September 2008 @ 19:42 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
sytyguy, watch it!!
I was done with it already. I was hoping theonejrs would come to his senses (I guess he thinks he owns this thread), and take back his comments about Mort, but no, and now we lose one of the best people on aD from this thread, hopefully not the entire forum.
I thought there was some rule about Addicts flaming other Addicts, I guess not.
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30. September 2008 @ 19:46 |
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Here we go again... I will happily recommend Asus or Gigabyte products, but my first instance is Gigabyte, it just seems pointless to randomly pick and choose between. What I will not do is steer someone away from a perfectly decent Asus board, such as a P5Q. If it's a Striker, then I will for obvious reasons.
Anyone who gets seriously upset when any brand is criticised, whether it's Asus or Gigabyte, needs to have a little rethink, to put it politely.
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30. September 2008 @ 19:47 |
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ok what consist of a 64bit program? is it like a quad core only certain programs work with it?
so xp pro 64bit isnt designed for intel? mostly amd? i have xp pro 64bit but have never installed it would it be worth it for me? maybe see more memorey if i had it?
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30. September 2008 @ 19:51 |
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I generally tell people to veer away from 64-bit OSes. programs designed to take advantage of 64-bit processing will work faster in much the same way as a dual-threaded app, but drivers can be a pain, and are VERY tricky to find with XP X64. I recommend Vista 64 over XP x64.
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30. September 2008 @ 19:58 |
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I'm an AMD boy with XP64 Pro, on one computer for about 6 or 8 months. The trials and tribulations are far outweighed by the negative in my opinion.This weekend it's coming off and XP pro 32 is going back on.[ and this cluster xx is getting sent away].It's on identical motherboard processor ram Vid card both AMD 939 4200 and is no match to the 32 XP pro IMO.Was typing when Sam posted and yes drivers are a definite pain along with the other glitches. I do believe MS dropped the ball in mid stream on this system and never went back.And I did have Vista for a really short period which to me was worst than the 64 pro IMO.I'll wait and see with their new OP when it comes out and let others report before I'll switch from XP 32 again.To me as bad as IE8.
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30. September 2008 @ 19:59 |
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My friend has had nothing but pain and suffering with an XP X64 system with a 3700+ for its three year life.
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30. September 2008 @ 20:09 |
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My experience in 64-bit OSes (excluding Solaris!, even though that is completely, totally and utterly bulletproof, oh and pays the bills, nicely) has been a few flavours of Linux. The one (Mandriva 2006.0) was used heavily and often (and totally stable), a few programs didn't have 64-bit packages available, luckily for those programs i was able to install 32-bit versions. I haven't had much luck/stability with other flavours of Mandriva, or other flavours of Linux when it comes to 64-bit. Which is quite annoying, considering i have 1 laptop, 2 Dual Cores and the sexy Quad Core that are all 64-bit capable. I just run 32-bit Windows and Linux OSes now, it's just not worth the pain and complete waste of time for me (after all, i can't get that time back LOL).
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30. September 2008 @ 20:11 |
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Agreed, I'm on my third 64-bit processor, and other than my infrequent forays into vista, never use that capability.
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30. September 2008 @ 20:14 |
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Cincy the difference between 4 sticks of 1 gig ram and 4 sticks of 512 was barely noticeable on a 939 Asus board w64 bit.Load up time for me has always been slower with the 64 bit compared to 32 bit same mobo etc.And running rebuilder difference was minor.
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30. September 2008 @ 20:22 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
ok what consist of a 64bit program? is it like a quad core only certain programs work with it?
so xp pro 64bit isnt designed for intel? mostly amd? i have xp pro 64bit but have never installed it would it be worth it for me? maybe see more memorey if i had it?
Rob,
The problem is there was no 64 bit Intel CPUs at the time, so it was designed for the AMD architecture. In order to run it on present Intels, it needs to go through an emulator in order to communicate between the CPU and the chipset, which slows it down about 30%. I'll have a much better idea when I locate XP-Pro 64! It's the same program and all, but because of no need for emulation on the AMD 64s, it should run things much faster!
Russ
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30. September 2008 @ 20:23 |
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ok cool ill stick with xp 32bit.. but i do want more mem so when i get it xp 32bit will only see about 3.5gb of the 4gb total mem..maybe a little more cause my gpu only has 256mb of ram on it.
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30. September 2008 @ 20:29 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
ok cool ill stick with xp 32bit.. but i do want more mem so when i get it xp 32bit will only see about 3.5gb of the 4gb total mem..maybe a little more cause my gpu only has 256mb of ram on it.
Ah, but will you ever use 3.5GB and up ?, i know i don't/won't :)
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30. September 2008 @ 20:40 |
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Russ sent you email. Creaky how true that was my main objective for the 64 torun 4 gig or higher and it sadly back fired.
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30. September 2008 @ 20:48 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
ok cool ill stick with xp 32bit.. but i do want more mem so when i get it xp 32bit will only see about 3.5gb of the 4gb total mem..maybe a little more cause my gpu only has 256mb of ram on it.
Ah, but will you ever use 3.5GB and up ?, i know i don't/won't :)
good point. im not sure if i would or not... not sure how much i use now when i burn and such... im sure if i start gameing a little more or even get a better GPU i might need more ram for the games???
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30. September 2008 @ 22:13 |
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Guys, let's not bash 64bit because you had problems with 64bit XP. Vista 64bit it MILES better when it comes to drivers. You probably wont have ANY driver problems at all. Just check before you upgrade. And even if you dont have 64bit programs 32bit programs run the same in Vista 64bit. And if you DO manage to get 64bit programs(maybe something all you video encoders out there can find 64bit version of your programs?) you will probably see something like a 40% increase in performance over the 32bit version, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.
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30. September 2008 @ 22:33 |
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so I 've got an intel quad. I'm assuming that any 64bit sys won't work as good as a 32bit on intel, is this correct
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30. September 2008 @ 22:39 |
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64bit Vista will work just as well as 32bit Vista on Intel CPU if you use 32bit programs and WILL BE FASTER WITH 64BIT PROGRAMS.
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30. September 2008 @ 23:06 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by ddp:
sytyguy, watch it!!
I was done with it already. I was hoping theonejrs would come to his senses (I guess he thinks he owns this thread), and take back his comments about Mort, but no, and now we lose one of the best people on aD from this thread, hopefully not the entire forum.
I thought there was some rule about Addicts flaming other Addicts, I guess not.
I'm sorry, but you have me completely lost. What senses do I need to come to? I didn't say anything about Mort! I mentioned his post about the bios, and I mentioned that he and Spamual were Asus fans. Now I see he's leaving! Why?? More than two months ago I asked Morty to please drop all the stuff about the bios in fact I've asked him twice. I've likewise done the same thing about my attitude with GigaByte. I've barely mentioned them until a couple of days ago, since! Even my opinions for builds have been politically correct! Once I realized that I was just as wrong, I apologized to Morty. That's not the case here. I don't object to him throwing out an Asus with the bios being the better one for more extreme overclocking and leave it at that! I would agree with that 100% Or if someone came back and asked you why, I wouldn't have a problem with a brief explanation of the differences. It's just not necessary to go over the whole bios every time someone recommends a different MB!
I don't know where the GigaByte Fanboyism Mort's talking about is, but we seem to have people here who own both Asus and Gigabyte MBs, and they like them both. Or like Abuzar said, he's bought mostly GB MBs, and the Asus he had was no good. He's still open to the best bang for the buck that comes along, from any decent manufacturer.
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Here we go again... I will happily recommend Asus or Gigabyte products, but my first instance is Gigabyte, it just seems pointless to randomly pick and choose between. What I will not do is steer someone away from a perfectly decent Asus board, such as a P5Q. If it's a Striker, then I will for obvious reasons.
Anyone who gets seriously upset when any brand is criticised, whether it's Asus or Gigabyte, needs to have a little rethink, to put it politely.
I agree with every word Sam said! That's exactly the way I look at it too! About 3 weeks ago someone blew through here looking for a MB. I recommended the P5Q Deluxe. It was simply the best MB for the job he wanted it to do. He needed more Sata ports, and the P5Q Deluxe filled the bill perfectly. He's already purchased it, installed it and PM'd me a thank you.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see any GigaByte fanboyism here any more, and I was 90% of it before! I mean look at Rick when he was having problems with an Asus MB. We were there to help him resolve the problem of getting through to Asus Customer Service, not pick on his choice of MB! Did I think about it? I laughed thinking about it because of the irony of it all, but it would have been the wrong thing to do, so I sent him a phone number I had for Asus, that he didn't have and went on to other things! I don't think I could be any nicer about it, so I see no reason for Morty leaving!
Respectfully,
Russ
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30. September 2008 @ 23:24 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Guys, let's not bash 64bit because you had problems with 64bit XP. Vista 64bit it MILES better when it comes to drivers. You probably wont have ANY driver problems at all. Just check before you upgrade. And even if you dont have 64bit programs 32bit programs run the same in Vista 64bit. And if you DO manage to get 64bit programs(maybe something all you video encoders out there can find 64bit version of your programs?) you will probably see something like a 40% increase in performance over the 32bit version, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.
abuzar1,
You should see the same 30% that you lose with the Intel, on an AMD when running 64 bit programs!
Russ
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