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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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vaj3000
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1. October 2008 @ 12:35 |
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Hello ppl
Ive to several guys here who have so generously helped me with my computer specs etc. However there are just a few things thant bother me.I was looking to buy a mid range card like a xfx9600gt xxx alpha dog ed. However the thing thats thrown a spanner in the works is this whole SLI thing sammorris kindly recomended several components to me one of which is the EP35-DS3L mobo which im not sure is SLI compatible. Now as im a casual gamer who'd probably never (if im brutally honest) play a pc game would it be worth me paying extra for the sli mobo and would it be worth buying the above mentioned GFX card. I am however someone who spends a helluva lot of time ripping videos converting etc and i do eventually want to add a blueray drive. I do want crystal clear video quality.
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1. October 2008 @ 12:37 |
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SLI requires an SLI motherboard, which are universally bad, and is not only slower than using one more powerful card like a GTX260 (or a radeon HD4870 for example), it's also more expensive. It can also only boost games performance, not video rendering etc. A single card is a much better bet.
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vaj3000
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1. October 2008 @ 12:49 |
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1. October 2008 @ 13:04 |
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You don't need a complex card for HD at all, an HD3450 for 25 quid would suffice, you only need the powerful GPU for gaming. I'd stay away from the XFX motherboard, as it's a 680i chipset board, which are painfully problematic. You can use an nvidia card with an Intel chipset board like the EP35-DS3L no trouble at all. Likewise, you could even use an ATI card with an nvidia motherboard if you really wanted, I've done it in the past.
Rather than get that 9600GT, here's a better card that costs very little more:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135024
Or alternatively, if you're not going to be gaming much, you could go with something more basic and cheaper like this:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140617
That can still play games to a reasonable extent, though I wouldn't recommend it for playing Crysis it can do pretty much anything else.
If you want something powerful for games and HD, then it doesn't get much better than this:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148468
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vaj3000
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1. October 2008 @ 13:20 |
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gaming isn't a biggie for me...ideally im willing to dump the graphics for the multimedia aspect ie crystal clear picture and sound and a fast machine that can convert videos pronto. The HD aspect is important for me hence why i initially wanted to go midrange on the gfx card.
would a cheaper gfx card effect the quality of a video/ blueray dvd etc?
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1. October 2008 @ 13:22 |
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http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149184
recomend this for lightgaming, much better than the 3650 and not much less than the 9600GSO
also i wouldnt call the GTX280 a little better than the 4870, that liek when u said the 8800GT was a little better then the 3870. btu this time the gap is wider.
this gfx cad has 8 chanel sound out of the HDMI aswell.
oh and choose nvidia for photoshopping, as CS4 utilises nvidia cards through CUDA to speed it up
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1. October 2008 @ 13:24 |
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It was 15-20% then, it's 15-20% now. back then it was a case of £120 for one, £140 for the other. Now it's a case of £170 for one, £300 for the other, the GTX280 started to look viable before the price increase, now it's a complete waste of time.
Agreed on the HD4670 card, it's a very good balance of games performance and crystal clear image quality for both games and HD video.
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vaj3000
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1. October 2008 @ 13:25 |
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basically ppl im willing to dump the gfx aslong as i can go all out on the hdtv aspect i want a card that has absolutely no issues playing a hddvd or blueray on maximum quality. Oh and is the gfx card responsible for video editing or is it the ram cpu etc?
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1. October 2008 @ 13:27 |
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HD4670 then.
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1. October 2008 @ 13:30 |
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id agree completely sam, the pricing is WAY to far off.
if it was £250, it would be worth the extra price over the 4870, at £300 its a complete joke. and anyone who buys one, with a decent budget just lost £120 to spend on a better mobo, or sound, or a case or PSU, or to more future proof it etc.
for the price 4870 anyday.
tbh the 4870 isnt worth the £60 on top of the 4850 either, but, its as good as if not better then the GTX260, and the 260 is prices about £170, so alls good :D
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1. October 2008 @ 13:36 |
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Indeed, but it's more bearable, and you're partly paying extra for a better cooler as well... :P
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1. October 2008 @ 13:41 |
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Originally posted by vaj3000:
basically ppl im willing to dump the gfx aslong as i can go all out on the hdtv aspect i want a card that has absolutely no issues playing a hddvd or blueray on maximum quality. Oh and is the gfx card responsible for video editing or is it the ram cpu etc?
let me chime in on this one...lol move over GPU guys...he's talking encodeing/ripping burning the real reason t obuild a PC...lmao
the GPU wil let you play the HD/blueray at a good quality, but you will need a blueray drive to rip them. and those are kinda costly STILL.
as far as the editing/encodeing goes. the gpu dont have anything to do with that. its the drives you have and the programs you use that allows for HD/Blueray..once again they are coslty.
are you doing more HD or blueray?
Soph here he is into encodeing the larger hd/blueray stuff. he would be a great help to you with what he knows about that...
what CPU are you going with to do the hd/blueray..???
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you guys are really gonna make me break down and get a better GPU...but once again if i need a bigger CPU to play the game a bigger GPU isnt gonna matter will it?
time for some COD4
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vaj3000
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1. October 2008 @ 13:48 |
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nah mate i'll just be encoding bog standard dvd's not blueray or anything like that. I just want to make sure that i can view blueray disks on maximum resolution without the pc breaking a sweat or anything. The games aspect i'll be honest if im that intrested in playing a game i'd just grab it for the 360. I will be using the pc on a hdtv which i'll be using as a monitor
my question is pretty basic:
Would the cheaper cards affect the pc's ability to play blueray disks to maximum resolution. This was one of the main reasons i wanted to go for a mid range gfx card
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1. October 2008 @ 14:00 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
you make a notepad file
and then name it bootspeed.vbs
me with cold boot, got 77, and with a restart 84, from button press till xfire logs on (which is when i can start using my vista, and HDD activity stops)
Best I've done is 93 seconds (down and up) that is using 4 cores at boot and changing registry to kill process in 2 seconds on shutdown.
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1. October 2008 @ 14:20 |
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lol.
my hand countinng (using a stopwatch) i get 86s.
vista is very quick for me, :)
and i havent had problems. so maybe thats why i find it so weird every one is dissing it, when i have had no problems at all.
btw this seems like my type of board:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option...d=9682&Itemid=1
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Finnish website Muropaketti has scored some exclusive pictures of Asus' upcoming Rampage II Extreme X58 motherboard and for some, the bad news is that this board doesn't feature the Nvidia NF200 chip, but it has a few other tricks up its sleeve.
It doesn't look like the pictures are of a final board, as for one the cooling is far from what we'd expect to see on a high-end Asus motherboard. Asus has gone for its 16-phase power regulation, but this board has a very odd riser board which is labelled VTT CPU Power Card and we're not quite sure why Asus has done this kind of a design. We can only guess that it has something to do with a work around for overclocking the Core i7 CPUs beyond the current limitations.
There's also a range of eight little connectors at the front of the board which appears to be Voltage readout connectors and there's a mention of a new accessory called ProbeIT which is suggesting something like a 5.25in Voltage read-out module. The board also features Asus' TweakIT which allows for manual tweaking of the Voltages and bus speed with the help of a few buttons on the motherboard. This also suggests that we'll see a return of Asus' external LCD Poster.
The board has three x16 PCIe slots, two x1 PCIe slots and a single PCI slot and Asus has gone for six DDR3 memory slots. Around the back is a single PS/2 port, six USB 2.0 ports, a pair of Gigabit Ethernet ports, an eSATA connector, a FireWire port and a CMOS reset button. We'd expect to see a SupremeFX audio riser of some kind as well with this board which will take up the top PCIe x1 slot. Finally there are six SATA connectors, a single IDE connector and headers for four additional USB 2.0 ports and an additional FireWire port.
However, there's one major flaw with this board, it's bigger than the standard ATX form factor and you'd need a case that accepts EATX motherboards due to the increased width of the board by about 1-2cm. This is going to cause some major headaches for people that aren't aware of this and buys this ?400 motherboard in good faith, so let's hope that Asus are smart enough to put a sticker on the box that warns about the fact that this isn't a standard ATX motherboard.
loving the display for the voltages, that is the sweet spot right there.
OCer dream, but the sace needs to be bigger, but my lianli PC-A70B will have 0 problems.
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1. October 2008 @ 15:35 |
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abuzar1 I had the 64 bit Vista and not starting anything, just wasn't my cup of tea for the problems. I'm not a gamer mainly encoding etc. My comparisons between the 2 computers between 64 and 32bit XP Pro on identical set ups mobos hardware software drives put me at a waste for the 64 bit.The memory exchange between 2gig and 4gig wasn't worth the price difference. Just my opinion from comparison.
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1. October 2008 @ 16:28 |
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spamual,
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loving the display for the voltages, that is the sweet spot right there.
OCer dream, but the sace needs to be bigger, but my lianli PC-A70B will have 0 problems.
Seems a bit short in the cooling department! Cheap-ass heatsink, and no cooling for the VRMs and mosfets. What's up with that? The biggest thing is that it has all those nice controls, but they wind up being in a very poor location and very hard to get at when installed in a case.
$712 USD! You've got to be kidding! No motherboard is worth that kind of money! I won't be looking for an X58 MB for at least 6 months. With all the delays with chipset problems (Intel's fault), MB development is going to be behind when Core i7 comes out anyway, even worse than usual!
I do have a question about something you said above. Why do you call this an OCer dream! At this point no one has any real idea of how good this MB will be. It could also turn out to be a colossal flop! LOL!! It wouldn't be the first time.
I have another question! With all the bells and whistles of the higher priced Asus motherboards, how come all the record overclocks seem to be on MSI, Abit, DFI and Biostar motherboards for the most part. That's why I questioned you calling this X58 an OCer dream, as lesser motherboards seem to dominate most of the overclocking records! Just curious???
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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spamual
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1. October 2008 @ 16:42 |
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ahh... hehe
it was just a thought tbh, i mean from its features, it does seem to be :D
and asus have had world record, infact most of the 3d markers use asus in the top 5.
3/5 in vantage are asus, while the top 2 are EVGA, and in 06 4/5 use an ASUS mobo, with the top one being asus.
not breaking records.....
but let me state liek boozer i will use any manufacturer, i am not a fanboy, sam can atest to that in the GPU department, just i make most of my recomendations with things i have used/using/ people i know using/ are similar to my product.
so i do recomend more asus boards than GB, but if you take a look in the other forums i use, where i do my weekly recomendations for a range of set budgets, and different types of users, i recommend ALOT of GBs, and in my customer builds i use GBs.
never once have i put down GB. i said their bios wasnt for me, but that was it.
no wiat, ok i lie, i did make fun of their fisher price like colouring LOL!
as for that board, im sure you can tell its not a finished article?
also the OCing can be done on an LCD screen provided, through USB, so you would not need to physically touch those jumpers, but benchers, might use them on the fly in their bench set ups, where they wont be obscured.
also i didnt know the price, nor did i say i wanted to buy it, if you assumed so. i wont be buying i7 till october next year anywho, so hopefully it will be X48 by then.
i know it hasnt been benched, and ideally i shouldy have written hopefully, but it was written in a jokey manner, i wasnt being serious about it.
do you have asus that much that any post about it turns defennsive?
oh btw, http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7963.html
[/img]http://www.nordichardware.com/image3.php?id=5444[/img]
yes biostar have now beaten it, but back when they did this, it broke a world record...
should i just completely stop posting anything about asus?
the fasted 3dmark vantage intel chipset is an asus mobo, and the fastest nvidia in 3dmark06 is asus....
just saying!
(notice how i am backing up my statements)
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1. October 2008 @ 17:21 |
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Hi guys , i just bulit a new pc and the case i have put mobo ect is an antec 300. my power supply lead for the 4 pin connector is to short is there any thing on the market that will extend the cable if there is please can you give me a link because all as i can find on google is the molex to 4 pin.
thanks for any help you can give me.
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1. October 2008 @ 17:41 |
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what is your build. if you cannot get the 4 pin over the board then you PSU doesnt seem to be good at all.
also are you us, or uk?
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1. October 2008 @ 17:49 |
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my bulid is
Antec 300 Case
ASUS M2N SLI Deluxe (nforce 570)
AMD Athalon Dual Core 5000+ @ 2.60ghz (stock)
XFX 8600GTS @ 675mhz
2 gigs ddr2 1066
2 x seagate baracuda 80gb and 160gb storage IDE
sun E vision psu 650watt (was not the best thing i bought will be changing it a chrismas)
4 x 120mm thermaltake case fans
1 x 140mm antec fan
EDIT: pic here
[img]http://my.afterdawn.com/navskin/show_image.cfm/20527[img]
now can see the problem!!!!!!!! its blocking all the other pci ports.
AND I AM IN UK
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1. October 2008 @ 18:06 |
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navskin:Bad PSU = death. Change it NOW.
Spam: Not quite 0 problems, it has no 3.5" bay.. :P
Theone: Indeed, those will be a right pain to access when the system's installed. They want to be at the bottom, not the side.
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1. October 2008 @ 18:09 |
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um the CPU 4 pin seems connected to me..
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1. October 2008 @ 18:10 |
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what has no 3.5" bay?
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1. October 2008 @ 18:11 |
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Your case..
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