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5. October 2008 @ 10:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by creaky:
I don't remember exactly which sticks i bought in that instance, could've sworn it was 4MB, but what doesn't help is that i don't remember how much RAM was in there to start with. I probably had to remove whatever amount of RAM was in there and added the 4MB (maybe it was 16MB ie 4x 4MB, it was sooo long ago!!), needed it for the first Quake game if i remember correctly, my PC could only play Doom before that.
What i know for sure is that the amount was £120 and i'd already bought that system (with monitor) new for... £1800 at the time!!. Crazy.

The Quad Q6600 only cost me around £800 i think, throwaway money really compared to what i paid for the DX2

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I was dumbfounded that I still had it for my neighbor, and doubly dumbfounded that it still worked after all these years. I only put them in his machine a couple of months ago! LOL!! They were 80 pin 32MB double sided EDO 80ns Ram and they cost a whopping $600 each! 16MB double sided EDO was about $400 each! They were even higher than that after the big fire stopped almost all worldwide production of memory for several month. There was no 32MB, and the 16MB ones were a cool $1600! Imagine that if you will, $1 per MB! God we spent money! LOL!!

BTW, did you ever play a game called "Blake Stone, Aliens of Gold"? I always loved that one. I can play it on my computer, but the sound doesn't work properly. some of it just doesn't work, like one channel of a stereo maybe, so you don't hear all the sound! LOL!! Fun Game!

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
BTW, did you ever play a game called "Blake Stone, Aliens of Gold"? I always loved that one. I can play it on my computer, but the sound doesn't work properly. some of it just doesn't work, like one channel of a stereo maybe, so you don't hear all the sound! LOL!! Fun Game!
No can't say i'd heard of that one, but i do have fond memories of playing Wolfenstein 3D, i just read that Blake Stone used the Wolf 3D engine, dunno how i missed that one :P



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A few years? The P3 came out in 99. 92-93 is as long before the P3 as the P4 Willamettes are from what we have now...



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386's & 486's were in during the early 90's as the company i worked for in 90-92 used 386 & 486 on a card boards in their equipment for the pulp & paper industry. i was the 1 that found out that their systems for their customers were infected with a stoned virus. i still have 1 of those 386 on a card that i might use om my rc warships if i get them down.
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OH YEAH!!!!

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8195.html

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Many readers have been getting back to us regarding the unusually positive reports about AMD lately. I guess we became colored a bit by our love for the Radeon HD 2900 XT cards when no one really cared for them, but then again our favorite games are of the 3DMark series and not of the interactive type, and there the Radeon 2900 XT was a lot of fun. However, we always used Intel's processors together with the card(s), and even though we don't see a change in that anytime soon, the everyday overclockers may get a change of heart with the new AMD models based on the Deneb core.

A while back we reported on a recent interview with AMD General Manager of AMD's Server and Workstation chip business, Pat Patla, where he claimed that Shanghai is much more than a mere die-shrink and that it is 20% faster than Barcelona clock per clock. We've been told by a second source that 20% may be a bit much, but that there is an IPC boost to expect, but closer to 15% than 20. In either case it's just a nice boost. This is applies for Deneb as well we've been told.

The source even indicates that since Nehalem isn't that much of a desktop upgrade, but server mostly, Deneb will become the gaming processor to get. We have no secondary confirmation at this time, but we wanted to forward the information. In fact, source also says that Deneb was able to do 4.3GHz under a Scythe Mine cooler, stable of course. It's very important to use the right motherboard though, you will need the SB750 southbridge to begin with.

Most people should be able to hit 3.6GHz with a decent cooler, source says. The most amazing is that the processor should still run fairly cool and consume less power than Intel equivalents. Comparing Intel's new processors to AMD's new, Intel is gaining on the server market, while AMD will be trying to get back the retail market. We will not have to wait long for it to happen either, mass production is well under way and launch is approaching.

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now if they can clock like that on air AND clock for clock equal or greater than penryn, AMD have just won back a big piece of market share.

now just get the prices right, and i might have to find awater block for AMD :D
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AMD stuff is as cheap as it gets currently, and given the initial i7 prices, they're not going to have to work very hard to work out better value for money... However, for a Phenom to match a Q9550 C1 on 775, which isn't an overpriced combination, it will need to clock to at least 3.6Ghz and be 15% faster clock for clock than the old phenom, 20% or above to beat it. That's a tall order. Not saying it can't be done, but you know, while that article is promising, it doesn't make me want to ditch my stuff for an AMD rig just yet...



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Originally posted by sammorris:
AMD stuff is as cheap as it gets currently, and given the initial i7 prices, they're not going to have to work very hard to work out better value for money... However, for a Phenom to match a Q9550 C1 on 775, which isn't an overpriced combination, it will need to clock to at least 3.6Ghz and be 15% faster clock for clock than the old phenom, 20% or above to beat it. That's a tall order. Not saying it can't be done, but you know, while that article is promising, it doesn't make me want to ditch my stuff for an AMD rig just yet...
gawd I hate saying this... "what he said"!! lol

I've been sorta keeping up with the AMD stuff as I don't have a choice if I read this thread and the new stuff is looking promising and may actually catch Intel in the next year or so. BUT as we all know the disparity won't be that much as both companies have the R&D to prevent such a scenario. Well I hope so at least. Competition is healthy in all markets I say.

We just need some guinea pigs as stated before to test some of this NEW stuff out!! Shaaf and Russ I nominate you guys to take the plunge. :D hehehe.... How's that Sammy?? You ok with the choices for guinea pigdom?? :P

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neither me, ill wait for the results, but come january, i might be, for the first time, heading off to AMD :)

haha GM

id love to be the guinneepig, esp seeing as i have never owned AMD (ATI doesnt count) so id like to try it out, but price to performance, is intel is ontop, then sorry amd.

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Heh, for the time being I'm either staying put. If I've done well financially by christmas I'll have a look at what the new CPUs offer, but realistically, if they're still around, I may just stick a Q9650 in.



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Quick question!
Does anyone have a clue as to how to use Virtual PC 2007? I can't find any instructions other than installations instructions. I want to set up a virtual computer to run win 98, and I have no idea how to do this!

TYIA,
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Originally posted by krj15489:
@ russ

try this

http://www.petri.co.il/virtual_create_vi...007.htm

Thanks a lot. I'm not very good with learning new software, especially anything Micro$oft. Their instructions always leave a lot to be desired! LOL!!

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what is a VM?
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its a virtual machine. it is like an emulator that allows you to run another operating system inside your current os. so if you are running xp you could use a vm to install linux or windows 95 or anything else.

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Originally posted by creaky:
the first most expensive hard drive i ever bought was an 8GB (shock horror) for £220 !!, that purchase killed me for quite a while.

I had a Compaq "luggable" that came with 2 - 5 1/4" floppy drives. For Christmas that year, I asked for a got a 10MB Hard Card for $550 USD.

(i'm not drunk enough to mention the (removable) Winchester 128MB mainframe hard drives the size of washing machines)
When I was in sales for the CAD/CAM industry (mid-late 70's), I sold 80MB multi-head/multi-platter Disk drives (that needed 220V for power) for $56,000 USD. The 300MB version cost $80,000. . . . and we thought they were incredibly big! In the early 1990's, 500MB SCSI drives from SUN Microsystems cost $5,800 each.

Back to the future - thank you.


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Man, hard disks are such antiquated devices if you think about it...



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i have a gateway one it came with Intel® Core?2 Duo Processor1 T5250 (1.50GHz, 667MHz FSB, 2MB L2 Cache) and would like to know on newegg which is the best to get that is more powerful than this? also the motherboard is Systemboard w/ Intel® GM965 chipset
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spaul40,
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I had a Compaq "luggable" that came with 2 - 5 1/4" floppy drives. For Christmas that year, I asked for a got a 10MB Hard Card for $550 USD.

I had a Kaypro II someone gave me years ago. It was a Z80 (Zilog) based CPM machine with two horizontal 5 1/4 drives vs the Compaq's vertical ones, with a 9" screen. The keyboard (complete with a standard phone jack) was the cover, and the handle locked in place to angle the thing upwards so you could see the CRT at a better angle. The company's founder, Andrew Kay was also the inventor of the Digital voltmeter!



Anybody remember the Osborne? LOL!!

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Russ, i used to build the osborne executives back in 85 just north of toronto. i still have parts of 1 of them.
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
spaul40,
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I had a Compaq "luggable" that came with 2 - 5 1/4" floppy drives. For Christmas that year, I asked for a got a 10MB Hard Card for $550 USD.

I had a Kaypro II someone gave me years ago. <snip>

Anybody remember the Osborne? LOL!!

Best Regards,
Russ
How about the Altair with 2KB?

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I just installed Vista 64, when done I had 2 Program Files. 1 is Program Files (x86), the other is just Program Files. Do I need the 86 or can I just delete it
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You need the x86 folder. It will install most of your apps there. Only apps that are specially designed for 64bit will install in the normal program files.
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no you need to keep that. all the 32bit applications are installed there.

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It was installing all my programs their, but I moved them 2 the Program Files. They seem 2 work OK, all other installations I've been putting in Program Files also & they work. Will this create a conflict down the road. Should I put everything back in 86
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It's prbably best, I don't see why they need to be moved anyway, and I had hideous complications the last time I messed with program files.



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