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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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sytyguy
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9. March 2006 @ 14:26 |
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That sounds a bit too long. It was taking me about 200-220 minutes per movie, and I finally got it down to about 120 minutes(The Lord of the Rings, the Fellowship), but I placed the output on another HDD. However, I don't remember how big the movie and extras were. Also, nothing else was running at the same time.
Good luck,
Rich
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9. March 2006 @ 14:36 |
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I've become spoiled, the idea that I can now do up to five movies while I sleep has spoiled me. LOL
If I hit even 75 minutes I would...................
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jdobbs
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10. March 2006 @ 01:25 |
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I redid my little Project using HC (Best quality), and it took over six hours to encode!!! I guess that is what was meant by, and I quote, it takes longer....
Is it normal to take that long?
It depends on the disc... but that's definitely long. Normally on my system HC takes about 50% to 75% longer than CCE. So a normal 2 hour encode might take 3 - 3.5. I'm using an Athlon XP 3200+. The most influential single factor in determining time is the total framecount associated with the disc being processed.
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brobear
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10. March 2006 @ 02:21 |
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A 2.6GHz processor will do the job, but it is far from being considered fast. 1GB of RAM is usually an ample amount, unless you have programs drawing on it. Look to the available RAM for realistic figures. Several of us are using faster systems and more RAM to attain better speeds. You are dealing with a large file and have a slower CPU. There are some other system factors that come into play as well. 6 hours may be the best your system will do for that project with that encoder. Try doing a factory DVD and see how that turns out. Use the CCE SP trial set to 2 passes. Let us know how that turns out.
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10. March 2006 @ 07:59 |
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Heres an update...
I have done the Project 3 times.
I used CCE SP Trial, set for 2 passes, and it took 334 minutes from start to finish.... thats 5 and a half hours...
I used HCEnc, set to (Best/Slowest) and it actually was more like 7 hours...
I used QUEnc, set to the Recommended High quality, 2 pass mode, and I don't remember how long that one took. I did that one while I went to bed....
I don't know which I like best....
CCE looks good, HCEnc looks good, and QUEnc looks good....
Since I can't tell the difference with this project, Maybe I should stick with CCE... for the faster encoding time.
I will also try this again with a commerical DVD, as suggested by BroBear. Maybe I can see a difference then.
Next encode, I will also Stop all non essential services before begining.
jdobbs, maybe I need a faster computer? LOL. I have had this one for 4 years, and I got it for free from my brother! Time to upgrade? HeHe. Its done me well, and I like free.
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brobear
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10. March 2006 @ 09:11 |
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If upgradeable, you could put in a faster CPU and another GB of RAM. That would be cheaper than a new PC. Look at the rest of the system though to see if it's worth the upgrade.
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jdobbs
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10. March 2006 @ 11:47 |
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Other things you can do:
Defragment your hard drive -- this make a huge difference.
If you have two drives -- set one for the source and the other for work/output.
Make sure you aren't getting close to full on your drive. A drive that gets into the last quarter of the space will slow down dramatically as a result of allocation inefficiencies.
The single most important factor is processor speed. Memory is important -- but anything at or above 512MB is plenty. I'm running with 512MB on my video computer.
Also --- remember that the speed of the processor is NOT 100% determined by clock speed. For example, an Athlon running at 2Ghz will do video as fast as a Pentium IV running at 3Ghz.
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10. March 2006 @ 12:26 |
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If you have two drives -- set one for the source and the other for work/output.
Make sure you aren't getting close to full on your drive. A drive that gets into the last quarter of the space will slow down dramatically as a result of allocation inefficiencies.
Guilty as charged, on both counts. I will fix both of these things ASAP and see if it helps with encoding time.
Thanks guys!
I will keep you updated.
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11. March 2006 @ 18:23 |
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Update...
I changed the source drive, and stopped all services.
I have DRD-RB w/ CCE SP Trial, as the encoder down to 224 minutes!! (3.73 hrs)
Thats a 110 minute improvement!
I know, still damn slow for you guys, but that is the fastest I have encoded yet!
Thanks!
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12. March 2006 @ 03:31 |
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224 minutes is about right for the speed of your rig. My 2.8ghz P4 over clocked to 3.192 Ghz encodes in about 120 to 160 minutes using CCE depending of course on the movie.
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mark9977
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12. March 2006 @ 19:30 |
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Hi,
I posted this question to the general thread but will add it here as it seems appropriate to do so.
I am using DVDrebuilder Pro and CCE Sp 2.66 with ECLCCE 1.08.
I have been using this setup as happy as can be for quite a while now. probably done about 100 DVD's with excellent results. While it may take up to 20 hours to encode a DVD it is well worth it for the quality. I had previously just been using Roxio Easy Media Creator, but the compression gave the crappiest DVDs to watch.
However, today I have hit some problems. The first of which is after going through the normal process the resulting DVD is 32MB too large for a single layer DVD. Any ideas?
I will post the other issue I have run into once this one is addressed.
Do you need to know the actual DVD?
Thanks, Mark
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brobear
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12. March 2006 @ 20:05 |
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Without trying a lot of troubleshooting, the first thing I do when I start to get sizing errors is to delete and reinstall Rebuilder after doing a system cleanup, some even suggest doing a defrag along with the cleanup. When I say cleanup, that's the things that should normally be done as routine maintenance; like Disk Cleanup, and AV and reg cleaning. With all the updating I've gotten the system corrupted before. I took the easy way out. Then if that doesn't work, try the troubleshooting route. When the sizing problems happened to me, inserting targetsector figures (which some are fond of suggesting) didn't help at all. When working properly, RB should size the output well with just the default settings. It always has for me.
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mark9977
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12. March 2006 @ 20:21 |
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Sorry, don't quite know what some of your shorthand was. AV and reg cleaning? If AV is anti-virus then that is not an issue, honestly. If reg cleaning is Registry Cleaning, I have been warned tht this in fact can make things worse, so I don't do that, besides how could a junked up registry affect this program adding 32MB over the limit for a DVD. (not trying to be arguementative).
I defrag on a regular basis, weekly, never being more than about 8% fragmented.
I have my system running clean and lean, no virii, trojans, spyware, adware etc. I run Symantec, two spyware programs, defrag etc weekly. Also of course use a firewall. I keep on top of this on a regular basis. In this regard I am not a noob, and have only had 2 virii in 5 years from websites, that were quarrantined before they ever got to launch and were subsequently removed.
This has only happened on this one DVD set, nothing else has done this before.
The output size has always been correct before, so it is very strange that this happened. Is it possible that newer DVD's have a way of playing with these sorts of programs? (noob question)
Mark
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brobear
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12. March 2006 @ 20:42 |
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You seemed to grasp the shorthand. I'm not suggesting that you manually clean up the registry. That can get a person into trouble. Simple registry tools can do a cleanup without damage. I use Registry Mechanic fairly often without ill effects and I have WinDoctor in my Norton suite that I run on occasion. It's just cleanup and a messed up or overly cluttered registry can affect the way programs run. But mainly it is for maintenance and reinstalling to a more stable environment. I just love it when people question the suggestions so intensely. The main point was to reinstall Rebuilder. Since you doubt my word, feel free to disregard everything I said and wait for the next set of suggestions. Hope you get your problem solved.
BTW (by the way), a friendly word of advice before the mods have words with you, you need to review the forum rules. They discuss double posting among other things.
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mark9977
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12. March 2006 @ 20:47 |
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Hi,
Sorry, I honestly didn't mean to offend you. Part of resolving a technical problem FOR ME, is understanding what is going wrong, and what the suggested solution is fixing.
I will try a re-install, just trying to run a different DVD through the program first that I know should work as I have done it before.
Cheers, Mark
Again, did NOT mean to offend you.
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brobear
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12. March 2006 @ 20:53 |
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I don't get offended so easily. I just don't waste my time when people question something as simple as doing some maintenance before doing a reinstallation of an app.
As I said, the main point was to reinstall RB as it often saves a lot of time and often it boils down to something being corrupted anyway. If not it would be working, wouldn't it? It only takes a few minutes for the reinstallation and if the problem persists, then you've eliminated at least one possibility already.
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mark9977
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12. March 2006 @ 21:09 |
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Hi,
I will try the re-install when I have done this DVD that worked before. If it works again, that can give some info. Will do a little tidy up at the same time.
Cheers :-)
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brobear
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12. March 2006 @ 22:01 |
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Retry the one that didn't work, that gives you more insight into whether the problem still exists. If it works on a movie you did before, that just tells you the software is still working with some DVDs. Unless something is totally out of the ordinary, sizing varies little from one DVD to the next and should fit the target media. On occasion I've had output come out a bit small, but that was due to the movie not having a high bitrate requirement. The variation was negligible btw.
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mark9977
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12. March 2006 @ 23:09 |
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Hi BroBear,
I did try the problem DVD and used a different number of passes, 2 instead of 10, but it came out 32MB over again. That was why I was trying another I had done, just to see if it even worked - about 75% done now.
Funny enough, the other DVD in the set threw an error too, this one an encoding error so it didn't even finish. The error was: CCE Encoding Failed: CBR VBV Overflow Frame 165 (00:00:06:19) B 4408(1-6) etc etc.
Strange how both in the same set are problematic.
Cheers.
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13. March 2006 @ 00:34 |
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224 minutes is about right for the speed of your rig. My 2.8ghz P4 over clocked to 3.192 Ghz encodes in about 120 to 160 minutes using CCE depending of course on the movie.
I agree. My system (P4, 2.67GHz, 1GB RAM) usually encodes somewhere between 150 - 170 minutes using DVD-RB + CCE SP (depends on how big is the movie).
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jdobbs
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13. March 2006 @ 01:59 |
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@mark9977
Have you set any of the "TargetSectors" values? I've never known rebuilder to oversize with the defaults. The only other cause I've seen has been related to an incorrect CCE version selection.
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13. March 2006 @ 02:07 |
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Mark9977
At the very least we need system specs and DVD name and software versions. The .ini file and log would also be nice.
I agree with Brobear. Uninstall all components. Use the installer package to reinstall the latest version. Do a normal 2 pass with CCE. If there is still a problem try HC encoder to check if the encoder the the problem.
Get back to us.
Donald
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13. March 2006 @ 07:21 |
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Thanks Alkohol. Would you recomend overclocking a 2.6 ghz machine to produce faster results?
If so, how would I safely go about doing it.
Also, Could you take a look at this prob too?
As I said, I had been using Nero Vision 4 to put my project to hard disc, then DVD-RB/ CCE to get it to DVD-R size.... Any way, I posted my problem here....
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/313143/1830564-256856
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brobear
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13. March 2006 @ 10:47 |
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OC(ing) requires a board with the capability to do so. Most OEM boards won't. A lot depends on your system and its components. If you have to put much money into updating to be able to OC, you're probably better off building a custom with a higher capacity CPU (which can be OC(ed) even higher).
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mark9977
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13. March 2006 @ 11:02 |
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Hi,
Ok I will do a uninstall/reinstall and cleanup, then try again. I will get back to you all in a day or so.
Cheers, Mark
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