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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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brobear
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22. March 2006 @ 01:02 |
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Mort
A lot depends on the individual system and the software loaded on it. Programs such as anti virus software and internet security require their share of the RAM as well as other Windows processes. There's nothing out of the ordinary, except for the number of DVD backup codecs, and my system only has a little over 1.5GB of my total 2GB of RAM to work with. Had I left it at 1GB of RAM like I had before, that would have left me with only a bit over 500MB of RAM to do the encoding. Taskmanager has the Physical Memory in KB and my Total now is 2096364KB and the Available is 1599750KB. So, as I mentioned, it depends on the system and the available RAM, not just the total amount of RAM. So, it's a possibility the extra RAM could give the CPU some additional room to work. Don't expect miracles, but it could help. It becomes more important if upgrading to a faster processor or OCing the one you have.
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22. March 2006 @ 12:42 |
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Yeah, I'm not really expecting much if any improvement in encode times but it's the first step to upgrading my system. As you know brobear I intend on upgrading my cpu as well down the road and the dual channel memory upgrade was a requirement to fully utilize the capability's of the cpu I intend to get. Like I said, it's just a start.
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22. March 2006 @ 13:02 |
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I've heard so many spins on how to speed encodes up and most of them give littl or no benefit. A lot of people have reported gains with two hard disks, I've tried it both ways with no real benefit. In fact all that I'm running now is just a single 150 gig Raptor and it has done well for me. I've never really liked really large disks to begin with. The one thing that really seems to render more speed from ones hard disk seems to be leave about a third of it unused and keep it defragged.
Memory will add to the speed of an encode but there doesn't seem to be any benefit between one and two gigs. With AMD chips a command rate of 1T seems to make a difference and I suspect that low latency settings with Intel chips will also give some small gains. With my current configuration my encodes all come in under 70 minutes with at least half of those coming in under 60 minutes (all 2 pass). The real deciding factor in encode speeds however is the processor.
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sytyguy
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22. March 2006 @ 13:31 |
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I'd be interested to know if anyone is running a Raid 0 configuration, I would imagine running that configuration along with a fast CPU and fast memory would result in extremely good encoding times?
Anyone?
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brobear
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22. March 2006 @ 13:35 |
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Good summation Sophocles. It goes along with what I've found and stated, though I prefer leaving my OS and programming isolated and using a second drive for work and storage.
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brobear
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22. March 2006 @ 13:39 |
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Naturally a fast CPU and a RAID 0 configuration are going to be a bit faster. That's what RAID is all about. Do you want to invest that much money just for encoding purposes or do you have another use for a RAID 0 setup? Sophocles has used RAID 0 in the past and now has the 150GB raptor. Maybe he'll comment.
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sytyguy
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22. March 2006 @ 15:07 |
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Well, yes, of course it is faster, I was just wondering if anyone was using Raid 0 for encoding, and what the speed factor was. My next computers will be with Raid 0, with 2 250Gb HDD, and 64 X2 4400+. And no, not just for encoding, but just general use (I'm no gamer). And I personally don't think they are that expensive, considering what I paid for a 600MHz computer in 1999.
But I would like here Sophocles comments on Raid 0.
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Rich
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dlc2000
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22. March 2006 @ 16:05 |
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i use raid0 on my main machine . i cant really say if it is that much faster as different movies vary in length . it may be a little faster but it really isnt drastic . the cost for the few minutes faster isnt really worth it in my opinion .
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22. March 2006 @ 19:19 |
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I found these cpu comparisons interesting http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-208-1.htm On page three you will see the difference in time to encode video with different cpu's. I don't know how accurate it is and I know AMD has come a long ways since this was published.
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brobear
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22. March 2006 @ 19:48 |
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That was a blast from the past, in days when Intel still reigned as king. I noticed the P4 Northwoods were the top of the heap ($418 at Newegg back in 04). For old tech they were among the best and still compare to the top end AMD single cores (though the newer top end AMDs do edge them out now, but the Northwoods were replaced with Prescotts). The great leap forward was with AMD's dual core which has shaken up the computer world and has had Intel scurrying to catch up.
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22. March 2006 @ 20:01 |
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I know that is old news but still found it interesting. I've got a prescott core now and want to move up (back really) to a northwood due to northwoods shorter pipes and cooler running. It was recommended that I get a northwood core when I was building my pc but I was ignorant and wouldn't listen. What heatsink/fan assy did you go with for your P4 3.4 northwood?
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brobear
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22. March 2006 @ 20:10 |
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For those wanting to discuss PC hardware, and things like CPUs, RAM, overclocking and the tech race between AMD and Intel, you're welcome to visit this hardware thread here at afterdawn. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/102/235934#1862760 You'll probably notice some of the participants. It's more appropriate for discussing hardware than here on a thread dedicated to encoding with RB/CCE. Mort81 can discuss his pending build and sytyguy can get all his performance questions answered.
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brobear
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22. March 2006 @ 20:32 |
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I got the Zalman CNPS7700 cu (they have a 9500). I posted that on the thread I referred to in my previous post. You need to drop in and visit. On the Zalman site, you can reference which units will work with which mobos and what clearance is needed. The one I have is one of the larger offered, but with the larger assembly, it cools better and runs quieter. In fact it runs cooler than some of the AMD processors that are known for their cool operation.
My build actually started when I went to upgrade a Dell 2.8GHz up to the P4 Northwood 3.4GHz CPU. On the model I have, only the Northwoods work. I ended up putting the 2.8 back in the Dell and building a system around the 3.4 Northwood. It's only for a while, the 3.4 will go back to the Dell (maybe) and I'll put a dual core system in with the equipment I now have collected for my "favorite" custom built PC. Now all I have to do is save up for the pricier mobo, CPU, graphics card, and possibly sound card to get the truly "high performance" model. I can start off with just the CPU and mobo and add on as money permits. That's the beauty of building one's own custom PC. Since I'm waiting on tech developments anyway, I'm hoping for PC parts for Christmas this year. Till then the 3.4GHz Northwood custom has me content.
I guess I need to follow my own advice. Let's move the PC custom discussion to the appropriate spot and let RB get back to encoding. ;) http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/102/235934#1862760
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23. March 2006 @ 04:13 |
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I have the Zalman CNPS7700 cu (they have a 9500)
They're great units I have them both. The CNPS7700 give more bang for the buck because it costs less than the 9500 does but the 7700 will interfere with high memory sticks such as Corsairs DDR 4300 PC 3500LLPro.
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24. March 2006 @ 16:35 |
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With 125 pages, I think it would be more efficient to just ask the question again (assuming its already been asked 50+ times) I followed some steps, and downloaded DVD Rebuilder, and now I dont know what to do with it. I have 50 Cent Bulletproof, but it wont burn because DVD Decrypter says its too big. How do I shrink/ rebuild it?
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24. March 2006 @ 17:58 |
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If you've downloaded the installer version then all that you have to do is create a folder anywhere on you hard drive and name it anything. Go to source path and navigate to your ripped DVD and click on VIDEO_TS. Then go to work path and locate the folder you just made and click on that.
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25. March 2006 @ 05:55 |
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BTW my 2 gb of dual channel memory should be here tomorrow or the next day. I'm curious to see if another gig of memory alone will make any improvement on encode times.
I've noticed minimal improvement w/ CCE,dual hc seemed to like the ram better but procoder2 just loves the stuff so it's all in your preffeneces
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brobear
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25. March 2006 @ 06:03 |
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I was just recently doing an encode with the Taskmanager on so I could watch the RAM usage. While encoding the CPU was running at an average of 80% and with the other RAM being used along with the encoder software, the RAM used came to about 1GB. Had I only one GB, I would have been running against the "wall". I remember when I had the 1GB of RAM. In those days, had I tried opening the Taskmanager, I would have had to wait a while. Now I can multi-task if I want to.
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25. March 2006 @ 06:10 |
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More RAM does make a difference because it allows the CPU to read ahead and there's less hard disk swapping/paging.
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brobear
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7. April 2006 @ 09:44 |
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2GB of performance C2 RAM and OC(ing) my system to 3.6GHz has improved my encoding time. :) Not as good as the newer dual cores, but respectable for a single core system.
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jdobbs
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7. April 2006 @ 11:15 |
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I doubled my RAM up from 512MB to 1GB... it didn't change the speed at all.
Oh well. I guess I'll have to buy a better processor when I grow up.
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7. April 2006 @ 11:29 |
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If it's any consolation when you do get a dual core with a decent amount of memory and a reasonably decent clock speed, your average encode times should be around an hour and the encode speeds will rise to about 5.6X to more than 6X. I suspect that larger amounts of memory is better served on dual core systems.
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brobear
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7. April 2006 @ 15:04 |
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A lot also depends on how much programming runs in the background with the OS. Just idling along, my system uses about 335MB. If I only had 512MB, that would only leave 177MB to use for encoding. It might work, but in that scenario, the lack of memory would probably slow the processor down. Before I upped the RAM on my system, the encoding took about all the system resources. If I tried to open another application, I'd have to wait till the system allocated the resources. It was a noticable lag. Now I can open programs and surf the web if I want to and no waiting like before. So, for a loaded XP system, I suggest 1GB or more of RAM in order to have a good reserve.
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7. April 2006 @ 15:11 |
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Oh well. I guess I'll have to buy a better processor when I grow up.
Like that's going to happen any time soon.LOL
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jdobbs if you are out there, have a happy birthday :)
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