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4. May 2009 @ 08:48 |
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Nope, it's random now. Sometimes it crashes to the desktop, sometimes it hard locks. I'm currently installing 32bit to see if that works. Evga seems to think its a PSU issue too, but they also said they'd replace my cards for me anyway, even if I don't think they are the issue. But I don't know. How would I be able to tell if the second PCIE slot is buggered? Or would the second card just not show in windows in the first place?
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4. May 2009 @ 09:15 |
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Graphics manufacturers ALWAYS say it's a PSU issue. ATI told me my 850W Zalman wasn't enough to run Quad CF when I had stability issues, and recommended I buy a 1KW PSU.
PCI express faults are hard to diagnose, both my Gigabyte boards refused to accept dual graphics without crashing, but there were no BSODS (well there were, but they were for a different reason), the bus just shut down which caused the cards to completely shut down too (Load power 700W, idle power 300W. Power usage when this happened - 220W).
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4. May 2009 @ 13:16 |
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Estuansis,
Your running the same Cpu clock, that im trying to stabilize. For the life of me, I cannot do it LOL! Other than your 206FSB, and 1.45Vcore, did you do anything else? NB, Ram settings, etc. Though, you do have a DFI with a different northbridge, and a different PSU...*grits his teeth*
Try turning on ACC in the BIOS. Phenom II chips are supposed to have it built in, but I found turning it on helped stabilize higher clocks. Also keep in mind that no chip is guaranteed to OC. I've seen E6600s that couldn't break 2.8GHz stable. But I got mine to 3.2GHz easily.
I forget what Southbridge does your board use? Mine is an SB750. There are a few 790 boards with the older SB700. 750 is supposed to OC better.
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4. May 2009 @ 13:32 |
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SB750. I wonder if yours being the 790FX and mine being the 790GX has anything to do with it.
I'll look for the ACC setting now
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4. May 2009 @ 13:39 |
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I would expect so. OBG has been known to cause overclocking problems in the past.
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4. May 2009 @ 13:48 |
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But...its disabled. How would that effect it?
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4. May 2009 @ 13:49 |
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It depends to what extent it gets disabled really.
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4. May 2009 @ 14:01 |
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Turning on acc, and an Auto setting...BSOD. And with that setting, I cannot see my individual core temperatures. Well...I gotta get busy with other things now. I'll look into it more later, thanks guys.
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4. May 2009 @ 19:17 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Graphics manufacturers ALWAYS say it's a PSU issue. ATI told me my 850W Zalman wasn't enough to run Quad CF when I had stability issues, and recommended I buy a 1KW PSU.
PCI express faults are hard to diagnose, both my Gigabyte boards refused to accept dual graphics without crashing, but there were no BSODS (well there were, but they were for a different reason), the bus just shut down which caused the cards to completely shut down too (Load power 700W, idle power 300W. Power usage when this happened - 220W).
Well, thats sort of what's happening to me, but the card's arent't completely shutting down otherwise I'd be more in the range of 300w instead of 360w. Everything loads up to around 600w... play crysis for about... 30 seconds and BAM. Immediately back down to 360w and either CTD or complete lockup.
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4. May 2009 @ 19:55 |
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If it's the same figure as you get when just in windows, the cards are going idle (no input) not being shut down, but who knows, nvidia cards may not act the same way as ATI ones do.
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5. May 2009 @ 00:50 |
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OK, I'm currently running the CPU and 1st position graphics card off of my extra PSU. With only the motherboard, other card, and HDDs plugged in, crysis is drawing 400w at load (Sli enabled) Not a SINGLE freeze as yet. If you take 400w+200w for the other card, plus extra for the cpu thats a lot more than the 600w my computer usually crashes at. Think its the coolermaster not dishing out enough power for everything?
Edit: Plugged the CPU back into the coolermaster, after about 5 mins of play - at 440w - frozen. Surely 40w can't make that much of a difference- maybe I just didn't test it out long enough before.
Double edit: I've narrowed it down to either the PSU itself, or the set of cables I'm using. I'll borrow some cables out of my old psu and see how I fair.
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5. May 2009 @ 01:47 |
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Test more thoroughly with the dual PSUs, like for days.
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5. May 2009 @ 02:55 |
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Well, cross fingers, but looks like it might just be a faulty cable. Tested with my mates corsair cables, managed to play for a lot longer, and no crashes at all. Does it make sense that all these symptoms could point to a single faulty cable? Like... one cable would feed the card for a little while, then when it needs more power, the psu just conks out because it can't deliver all that through just one cable?
And, to further support my theory, Fallout3 now works. And I figured out why it would have been crashing at that same exact spot if the cable was faulty - because after the screen fades back from white, there is a 70w power spike - which I don't think the graphics card would have liked too much if one of it's cables wasn't working before :)
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5. May 2009 @ 03:20 |
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I suppose if a cable were faulty enough. It is possible. My fingers are crossed for you buddy :) As demanding as GPU's are, and how close most PSU's are to putting out the Bare requirement, if a cable were faulty, its pretty possible. I would not doubt that. Depends on the imperfection.
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5. May 2009 @ 03:39 |
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Hehe. Well, I've been playing fallout for a while without a hitch. And it used to fail every single time. In exactly the same spot. But it's doing fine! lol
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5. May 2009 @ 11:59 |
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So it was definitely the cable then?
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5. May 2009 @ 12:12 |
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email/call CM and ask them for a set of replacement cables
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5. May 2009 @ 12:17 |
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And hope they respond. The only email I ever sent to CM support (also asking for replacement parts) was ignored.
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5. May 2009 @ 16:24 |
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LOL reminds me of when I thought one of my HDDs died. Faulty SATA cable XD
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5. May 2009 @ 23:05 |
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Yikes!! I go away for a couple days and you guys blaze ahead 3 pages!! I'll get caught up this weekend!
Originally posted by sam:
Hah, I knew you'd be interested in Company of Heroes, that perhaps is more up your street, it is also quite a pretty game, neat physics, HARD tactics and WW2 combat. It's got Rich written all over it!
Yeah, I think you're right Sam, sounds more like my style. Plus I made a big mistake buying the Expansion Pack of World in Conflict.
The original starts out with Americans defending Seattle - ok, so far so good - I don't know if I want to really be fighting Russians after COD 1, 2, and 4 being a Russian on the side of the good guys, fighting Nazis, but oh well.
However, the expansion pack, which includes the original, starts out with the expansion pack - I guess that makes sense. The expansion pack is the 6 new soviet campaigns beginning with the soviet push into west berlin (which starts out with a secret squad of soldiers moving into two american anti-aircraft batteries and planting detonation charges.) So first I went through the tutorial in an American boot camp. And then my first assignment was to sneak over the wall and kill Americans. LOL Didn't feel right - I think I'll put the game back for sale on ebay, hahaha.
Originally posted by Rich has a game for sale:
I know what you guys are thinking, don't I ever jump on the Terrorist side on CS, don't I ever jump on the Nazi side in Day of Defeat, don't I ever jump on the Opfor side in Cod4 multiplayer, what about the Merc side in Battlefield 2. Of course, yes I do! But I don't care about that - this is not multiplayer where you jump on the side getting trounced. This is fresh out of marine boot camp and sneaking in and assassinating marines. I'm gonna sell the goddamn game! LOL
The exciting news - and I'll fill in more this weekend - I have started playing Left 4 Dead!!! In fact that's where I've been - on another video game binge like when I first discovered Counter Strike, lol.
You've been holding out again - just like on the 30" LCD.
All you guys - holdouts - every last one of you! Hahaha
I don't remember anybody raving about the fact that this game is unbelievably FANTASTIC!!!!!
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6. May 2009 @ 00:14 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
The exciting news - and I'll fill in more this weekend - I have started playing Left 4 Dead!!! In fact that's where I've been - on another video game binge like when I first discovered Counter Strike, lol.
You've been holding out again - just like on the 30" LCD.
All you guys - holdouts - every last one of you! Hahaha
I don't remember anybody raving about the fact that this game is unbelievably FANTASTIC!!!!!
Rich
LOL, I just watched a youtube video of it. Looks like something I might enjoy! :D
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I don't remember anybody raving about the fact that this game is unbelievably FANTASTIC!!!!!
We don't rave because it is common knowledge that every game Valve releases KICKS ASS. This is really just more of the same amazing Source Engine we've been seeing since Half Life 2.
That's why we told you to play. The graphics are amazing, the performance is awesome, and it's absolute undiluted fun :D
Anybody who claims to be a PC gamer yet hasn't played any Valve games should be ashamed. They're the reason I got into PC gaming.
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6. May 2009 @ 02:36 |
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I second that motion! Hahaha!
I have my full game play day tomorrow - all day of Left 4 Dead - but I snuck back here for a second. I'll be back this weekend to catch up.
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LOL, I just watched a youtube video of it. Looks like something I might enjoy! :D
Yeah, Kevin - I don't know if the youtube videos really show the experience, but jump all over that game! I have to admit I was skeptical - being the hardened world war II geek that I am - even having done some of the early L4d play-testing - BUT THEY POLISHED IT UP SOOOO MUCH - these guys are geniuses!
Originally posted by estuansis:
We don't rave because it is common knowledge that every game Valve releases KICKS ASS. This is really just more of the same amazing Source Engine we've been seeing since Half Life 2.
That's why we told you to play. The graphics are amazing, the performance is awesome, and it's absolute undiluted fun :D
Haha! Very well put, Jeff. I know you told me to get over my bit about "I can't play any games until my new build, boo hoo." haha. Man were you right.
Valve is so good about scaling games for the hardware - at 1920x1200 (full screen) it's a gorgeous experience even though I'm not at native resolution. On the director's commentary they talk about the color correction - and my dell is probably oversaturated to begin with - but the whole way they added film grain and vignetting etc., like you say, amazing graphics!
It is just totally mind-blowing - even on my weak rig!! I didn't notice until I ran the director's commentary - where some of the circling speech boxes disappeared until I got closer - that to make the game work for me - (or maybe they do this for everybody to conserve texture memory) - they take out some of the detail until I get closer - like a fire extinguisher on a wall is not visible until I'm 10 feet away - tricks like that to work with my 512mb vram (but on an agp bus am I getting the full 512mb benefit, as sam has questioned?) and slow processor.
Well, anyway, you were right! I opened up Steam for some reason - oh, yeah - I dragged out the new Sin game looking for something to play after finishing Earned in Blood, played it for a while on Super hardest setting - painfully got past the part about battling the titan mutant in the construction yard - and then found myself facing dozens of those boring exploding sintek soldiers with their stupid gattling guns - ("outflank him" "changing attack vector" "you're mine, cop") it just turned BORING! So I looked for a way to change back to just plain hardest - without that advanced crap like "never help me", and unlike valve games you can't do that mid-game - I would have to start over. That ticked me off!
I almost tossed the DVD out, lol, so I went into Steam to delete the local sin content and There It Was - Left 4 Dead - staring me in the face, and loading. WTF!
Somebody had sent me a guest pass I guess, a long time ago, maybe Miles Estes, my relative - the guy who animated the game - and I must have responded to the link. So I thought, "Okay I'll try it." I played single player for a while and then gave multiplayer a shot for a couple hours. The next day it wouldn' let me play - but I found that all 4.9 gigs were still loaded, so I entered the key Miles had given me, and I was golden. I played the Director's Commentary - it starts out with Gabe Newell, the founder, giving out his email address, and talking about the 10,000 emails he gets everytime they do a new release - and he reads every one! Every commentary was interesting as hell! And then, suddenly, at the first machine gun post in the generator room, I hit the little revolving speech box, and there was Miles explaining the crescendo point! I laughed out loud - the bastard never told me about that! (I called him today to take him to lunch on Friday where I'm going to congratulate the hell out of him) I was so friggin surprised. Hahaha!
He's on the rollup credits at the beginning of Half Life 2, but for some reason I didn't expect him to be giving any commentaries. A while later he gave another one, in front of two zombies who appear, where he talks about all the motion capture that went into the zombie death animations. They had an actor, strapped with sensors up on a stage at the Mo Cap studio, going through about 100 ways of dying!!
He used to tell me about the Mo Cap - I knew they did stuff like that - but they used a lot of other stuff also that I never heard of before - like sharpening the colorful building images to subconsciously coincide with the adrenalin rush of heightened anticipation - the music director that is individually tailored to each player coinciding with that players' stress level (as gauged by the statistics they keep on how many zombies you have killed at that point - how much damage, etc.)
They play-tested the hell out it - refining it - interviewing the friends and family members they sprung it on - changing and enhancing it. Valve may not release a game on time - but to hell with that - they release it when it's ready - and like Jeff says, then it kicks ass!!
So, WORLD - and Kevin - if you have not invested a few pennies in Left 4 Dead - you just have no friggin idea of what you are missing!!! Hahaha!
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6. May 2009 @ 04:36 |
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Duke nukem 3d got me into pc gaming. Once red alert 2: Yuri's Revenge came out, that was the las game I played on the pc, till cod4. The only valve games I got into are l4d and portal. After cod4 I can't really get Into single players again. Portal being the exception.
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6. May 2009 @ 04:41 |
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Soo...Valve is like Rockstar right? Just another business producing video games? Heh heh. Remember, im new to the gaming scene LOL!
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