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The Official OC (OverClocking) Thread!
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23. July 2007 @ 00:42 |
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That's insane, you can get smoke out of components when they break, but fire?
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23. July 2007 @ 00:45 |
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yeh thats what i thought, im currently waiting for a new drive from segate, theyre sending me back a segate drive instead of a maxtor, as I dont want the risk again.
I looked around on the net and found its happened to a few people,
http://www.dragonsteelmods.com/index.php...id=351&Itemid=1
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23. July 2007 @ 00:50 |
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That's obscene, I guess there was a severe unexpected manufacturing issue with that chip! They're sending back a Seagate because as you may or may not know, Seagate own Maxtor now.
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23. July 2007 @ 00:55 |
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yeh I know, but i requested the seagate as I didnt want a diamond max 10 again, they were used in apple macs for a while and they had a lot of these little chip explosions / fires.
wierd realy it blew out the exact same pins on the chip on mine and every other case i have looked at, im suprised they hadnt done a recall on these drives and save people a lot of data loss, oh well that life i guess, but it makes me wonder what would have happened if i had left the pc downloading over night.
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23. July 2007 @ 00:56 |
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sammorris,
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It's interesting that a Power supply can corrupt files, but you're right, if the voltage isn't there to keep the hard disk working properly, there are going to be issues. Of course Power supplies can also destroy hard drives, as I've found out of my cost on a couple of occasions.
The power supply in question is a 450 watt unit that came with his case. If it only had 60% efficiency then only 270 watts would be available for use. 50% would mean only 250 watts.
I don't know how much wattage the old socket 754s draw but I'm willing to bet at least 90 watts. They were notorious for getting very warm stock. Add the overclock without enough watts available to support the increase in performance and Poof! Throw in the factor of an older tech MB and it's not a very good combination. Just the capacitor breakdown, which would be stressed by the OC and it's got premature failure written all over it. I'm betting on the PS being the cause, just like mine. Look at what it hurt in mine! Whether it hurt the MB or other components permanently is a good question. If it did then the PS won't really help without a new MB. A lot depends on how old the board is. Not when it was bought, but when it was made. Sitting on a dealers shelf for a year or more won't increase it's lifespan! In a sense, it's no longer brand new as it won't last as long as a fresh recently manufactured one, even if the design was the same.
Clock On,
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23. July 2007 @ 01:01 |
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Russ, I was under the impression that the rated wattage was DC, so a 450W 60% unit should give 450W DC, but draw 750W at the mains. Perhaps I was wrong?
ck5134: The same pins have blown because it's probably the same fault. If it was just the same chip that caught fire, it's likely the same part of the circuit was the cause, and hence the same pins were blown off. A few people I've spoken to reckon that Maxtor drives are no worse than any other. Perhaps they're right, but I just seem to hear too many scare stories, and that was before I read this. Perhaps it's just because they're cheaper than other drives, everybody buys a lot of them. I wonder if there's a reason why they're cheap?
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23. July 2007 @ 01:15 |
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Yeh cheap n nasty, mind you i think i had a warning of this fault a few weeks before as it lost all the file tables and none of the data could be retrieved.
saying that the diamond max 8 in my daughters pc has lasted well, very quite ect , but only 40 gig, that ones been going for a good few years in a few pc's never an issue.
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23. July 2007 @ 01:16 |
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sammorris,
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Russ, I was under the impression that the rated wattage was DC, so a 450W 60% unit should give 450W DC, but draw 750W at the mains. Perhaps I was wrong?
It's always been my understanding that it's the output efficiency. It wouldn't make any difference what it drew from the mains. Most 500 watt power supplies draw 10 amps on a 120v main, or 1200 watts. The wattage is the same for 230v as well because the amps would be right at half or 5 amps. I'm pretty sure that it's the ability of the PS to deliver the goods!
BTW, this is what I will be sending you, minus the pot and knob!
I got the particulars on the post and it should only be a small amount and can go in a padded mailer!
Best Regards,
Russ :>}
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23. July 2007 @ 01:31 |
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ck5134,
I've used Diamond Max 8s and 9s for years without one single failure. I wouldn't buy a Maxtor sata on a bet though. Seagate will straighten them out as they own Maxtor now! I think stories you hear about this drive and that are mostly rubbish anyway. It all seems to boil down to whether you did the job right to begin with. All I heard about the Seagate sata 160s is how noisy they were. I've got 2 of them in two different computers and you can't hear either of them. If you pull the side cover you can barely hear anything no whine or nothing. You can only hear the drive un-park the heads and that's it. You have to listen real hard to hear that and that's on a very quiet computer! I don't make a habit of running my computer with the side cover off! LOL!!
Clock ON,
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23. July 2007 @ 01:32 |
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Ok first off I get the missing .dll file as well!!! Which is good and bad. But after I hard reset my PC about 2 times the .dll message goes away and everything load as normal. I'll show my Everest results along side with what ASUS PC Probe is reporting.
First I have 2 HDD's I use all the time.
1. Western Digital Caviar WD2000B 7200RPM 200GB
2. Western Digital Caviar WD800? 7200RPM 80GB
Number one works flawlessy. But ever since I added number 2, it shuts down randomly no matter what. Funny thing, my firefox addons configuration files got corrupted and are now lost. I used CHKDSK yet it found nothing wrong which surprised me.
Now for voltages:
ASUS PC Probe:
12V = 11.968~12.032V
5V = 5.026V
3.3V = 3.216~3.232V
VCore = 1.47V
Everest Home (let's hope it installs before my PC gets restarts):
12V =
5V =
3.3V =
VCore = 1.550V
Can't find the rest.
It's all stock speed and default values in the BIOS. Keep in mind that this started coming up after I OC'ed; I'd never gotten this error in any PC.
Also my board is a K8V-X obviously from ASUS. The 3.3V looks suspicious against the rest. Then again I have no idea what it powers.
And a yearning question that I've wanted answered for so long. When I got my CD/DVD-+RAM Drive, cd's and dvd's loaded at an expected speed when I loaded a Windows setup from CD or something other. After I kept adding more parts the CD reading got slow. Do you think it isn't getting enough voltage? Or could it not be a voltage problem.
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23. July 2007 @ 01:39 |
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ck5134: The only Maxtor drive I've had is the same 40GB DM+8 and it's also been quite good. They make a rather distinctive noise for some reason!
Theone: My browser at work doesn't load forum embedded images so I'll have to wait until I get back home to see it! I think I know what it is you're sending me, and thanks very much for doing so. With regard to the hard disks, the Barracuda I have is very quiet in it's silent enclosure, certainly quieter than the Raptor, there's almost no noticeable 120Hz hum, but the seek noise! :O It sounds like treading on bubble warp, it's a very scratchy noise and very loud too.
The voltages look alright, including the 3.3V from PC Probe, but the earlier figure was a bit worrying. Usually if programs mess up they give obviously wrong voltages like -11V for 3.3, but that's worryingly close to the truth.
Does it still shut down if you remove the 80GB drive?
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23. July 2007 @ 01:48 |
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rvinkebob,
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And a yearning question that I've wanted answered for so long. When I got my CD/DVD-+RAM Drive, cd's and dvd's loaded at an expected speed when I loaded a Windows setup from CD or something other. After I kept adding more parts the CD reading got slow. Do you think it isn't getting enough voltage? Or could it not be a voltage problem.
It sounds suspiciously like the PS runs out of watts, which would cause some things like hard drives and memory to cause errors. It's like putting a 20 ft boat in a 20 ft pool. It will float, but it ain't goin to pull that water skier! LOL!! I think a better PS is in the cards for you! Just keep that 70% or higher in mind when you look for one!
Clock On,
theone :>}
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23. July 2007 @ 01:51 |
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IN the cards now? lol
Yeah, if you're after a good unit, there's now an 80Plus sticker affixed to the ones that are very efficient.
Oh and by the way, a PC with an X1900XT Graphics card, an X2 4200+, water cooling and no less than 10 hard drives was measured at the mains to draw 1.8A during gaming.
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23. July 2007 @ 02:04 |
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sammorris,
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Oh and by the way, a PC with an X1900XT Graphics card, an X2 4200+, water cooling and no less than 10 hard drives was measured at the mains to draw 1.8A during gaming.
I'm willing to bet the farm that they didn't do it right! It should have been at least twice that amperage. Bet you any amount of money that if you put an amp clamp on the hot wire it would read at least 3.6A. If this is in the US, then I absolutely know it was done wrong! If they did use an Amp Clamp to read it then they either got the wrong wire or the Amp Clamp is not working properly.
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23. July 2007 @ 02:07 |
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It was done using a Kill-A-Watt style system, and I was there when they did the test. If a PC draws 5A, how come I'm able to have two of them, plus a powerful set of speakers and a monitor on one extension without blowing a 13A fuse?
If a, in this case 520W power supply drew 3.6A at the mains, that's 828W, and the PSU wasn't being maxed out, so that would make it less than 63% efficient. I doubt it somehow. Modern electronics are better than that.
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23. July 2007 @ 02:27 |
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Originally posted by rvinkebob:
I looked into buying a whole new set a while back and found it was cheaper than my whole current PC cost all together. But I'm satisfied with what I have, unless the whole thing is going to die soon. This PC was meant to be a custom bargain.
Anyway I have a new issue and a new thought on the reason for the error. About 3 hours ago, after it restarted... again, I couldn't boot into Windows at all. The error came at the boot screen and the whole PC just froze after that point. So, as I would when ever there's a boot problem, I ran XP in safemode and it ran with half of a surprisement.
I'm starting to think that maybe a driver interference is causing it but I have no clue on how to diagnose the problem. For some reason the error never came up when I was playing a game. It ran for as long as I played. DirectX issue? Such as, when it isn't running there seems to be a conflict yet when it is everything is as smooth as silk.
Also after clearing CMOS a second time Ubuntu never gave me one error and ran as usual. This raises the driver interference thought even more.
You can use Windbg to find out which application or driver is the culprit. Download it here, http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/debugging/installx86.mspx
Simply set the debugger symbol path as follows, substituting your downstream store path for DownstreamStore.
SRV*DownstreamStore*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download
/symbols
For example, to download symbols to c:\websymbols, you would add the following to your symbol path: SRV*c:\websymbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/
download/symbols and then click Files | Save Workspace..
HTH
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23. July 2007 @ 05:16 |
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That sounds a bit complicated, is there not an easier way to check for conflicts?
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23. July 2007 @ 13:14 |
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sammorris,
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If a, in this case 520W power supply drew 3.6A at the mains, that's 828W, and the PSU wasn't being maxed out, so that would make it less than 63% efficient. I doubt it somehow. Modern electronics are better than that.
Not really because it would only draw those amps with a maximum load on the output. If this is in Europe, it would only be the stated 1.8 amps on a 230v line. Like I said the efficiency rating is based on the power supplies ability to supply it's rated output wattage and at what point that wattage starts to drop. You would be very surprised with how some manufacturers manipulate the numbers to make it appear that a piece of junk is equal to a quality product, but when you add up the numbers it just doesn't come out right. less than 50% efficiency is common among many brands of cheap power supplies, modern electronics or not. It's just a matter of what load point is reached before those numbers go down sharply. The better the quality and design, the higher the load point before the PS loses the ability to make the wattage needed. Even then good ones have a much broader load range
The Cool Max I just repaired to use as a temp. could have never reached it's maximum 10A@115v draw on the mains, because it would have burned out long before that point was reached. Judging by the components inside of it and the poor design, my best guess would have been about 225 to 250w would have been the max in actual use as the VRMs I replaced were so light duty that more wattage than that would have been impossible.
Someone on this Forum has a list of "Not Recommended" Power supplies that was posted a while back. maybe they could post it again to refresh all our memories of what to avoid. You and I both know the perils of buying any of those. We've learned the hard way!
Clock On,
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23. July 2007 @ 13:20 |
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And seeing as it powered your PC using those watts for a while, your PC can't draw much more than that. If your PC can run on under 300W, then why couldn't the other run on the 450 I quoted?
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23. July 2007 @ 13:42 |
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Thanks Neverhap. I'll try that out soon. Oh and do I have to take the PSU out to read the % efficieny? Or should there be a little sticker on it?
Also here's one to scratch your heads. It has nothing to with my problem... nothing to do with PC OC'ing in fact. OC a PS2.
http://nfggames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2220
Read it and see if there's any way to fix the video card problem. I'm no one to research so that's why I asked.
Also it's as if DX is all over the place. First, after system restore, I ran Windows with no problem but a little addon for Firefox, Tab Effect which makes a cube turning effect when switching tabs, wouldn't work. Now I turn on my PC and hey, it works! I re-installed DX9c June 2007 and still it's all over the place. Do you think maybe there's a bug in this version?
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23. July 2007 @ 16:07 |
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Hey Sam,
A little help here! I accidentally got something in my eye and unsubscribed from this thread. How do I subscribe again?
Russ
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23. July 2007 @ 16:08 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Hey Sam,
A little help here! I accidentally got something in my eye and unsubscribed from this thread. How do I subscribe again?
Russ
i think you just did by posting, ther is a little check box at the end of the box you enter the text in.
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23. July 2007 @ 16:27 |
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mikeh0303,
Thanks, I just saw it when i clicked the button!
BTW, I just discovered that by clicking the stop button in Mozilla, before you open the url, it makes AD load better. I only started having problems opening forums when Mozilla did one of their updates. Clicking the stop button cuts off the advertising and lets AD load much quicker.
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23. July 2007 @ 22:02 |
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HEY!
If i get the E4300 and overclock it too 3.0ghz
Will its lifespan shorten? if so, by how much?
Cuz i dont want to have to be replacing my cpu every 3 months you know.
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23. July 2007 @ 22:06 |
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I think I found the problem(s). I used the debugger and found to files unable to be verified upon running firefox.exe. No amazement but the tab effect plugin was one which makes perfect sense why when ff was initializing tab effect plugin files, I got the MCE error. So it wasn't directx after all but a struggle to initialize a plugin that used DX.
The other was for DAP (Download Accelerator Plus). The DAP plugin for firefox couldn't be verified either. I uninstalled the TE since I don't really need it and removed the DAPFireFox.dll plugin and so far not one error.
Though it's all great news, I have a remaining problem that hasn't happened yet but might. It doesn't explain why it gives me MCE when my computer is idle at the desktop. Other than that, thanks Neverhap for showing me this great tool. Not as complicated as it sounded. That is when I just copy and pasted the Symbol Path (obviously removing the other stuff written after it). I'll keep waiting until it happens again, and I know it should.
Thanks for all the help up to this point!
EDIT: I didn't read the whole log and found that symbols couldn't be loaded for the file xpsp2res.dll. It has SP2 in it so I'm assuming this is the cause for the desktop issue. Anyone know what it does just to confirm?
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