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19. July 2007 @ 03:44 |
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Hello Everyone. I am a newbie to OC. I just bought my first decent computer nad I am looking to OC the CPU.
I am looking for a CPU cooler that would handle my AMD 64 x2 3800+ on a m2n32 sli deluxe (asus mobo). Most of what I have seen are verry large.
My case is a RaidMax Smilodon and has a clear side. I would like to find a cooler that would not take up the entire viewing panel.
I have not yet tried to OC my CPU. I have been told it is best to upgrade your cooler first. I am currently using the cooler supplied in the OEM retail box for the AMD 64 x2 3800+.
According to ASUS AI Booster I am currently running at 34c, 2010mhz,1.3v,with a fan speed of 2k (+/- 5).
Please help. Thank You.
PS- Not interested in Water cooling.
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19. July 2007 @ 03:50 |
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hi rayals
I would say the atric freezer 64 pro, its not too big and quiet
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19. July 2007 @ 03:59 |
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sammorris,
Quote: Nonetheless, the heatsink taking more heat away from the chipset is going to make all that moving air warmer, which is going to make the CPU warmer, even if it's only by 0.2ºC.
As for the case fans, At 1600rpm, one of those silverstones wil be making something in the region of 70, so what else is exhausting in your case?
Yes, but it's so diluted with fresh cool air coming in that the effect is minimal. As you know just how low my temps are I won't bore you by posting them. It's not the air so much as the MB warming up and making the CPU hotter. Motherboards have several layers to them and all that metal from the circuit traces does a good job of transfering that heat from the MB to the CPU. The D-940 CPU temp dropped 6-8C, just by modding the heatsink with AS5! The NB is 10-13C cooler as well! It will be even cooler once I add the 80mm Silverstone in place of the 80mm 21 CFM that's on the window cover now!
Quote: 95CFM? Do you have two exhaust fans?
I have the 120mm that's right at 70 cfm at 1400 rpm and the new 80mm Silverstone that's at 25.6 cfm at 1300 rpm blowing out the side of the case, about 3 inches above the air intake vent. Even with a load like OCCT, the air coming out of the case is barely warm! Add to that the PSU which has a 98.6 cfm fan at 2500 rpm that runs most of the time at 1300 rpm with no heat being blown into the case like the old one did, so that's another 30 CFM or so to add to the 95 cfm for a total of around 125 CFM! Cool and quiet, just the way I like it! It may not be quiet up to your standards, but it's a lot quieter than it was this morning before I changed the PSU. I was also able to lower the side 80mm to 1300 rpm as well. With 7 fans spinning it's amazingly quiet!
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19. July 2007 @ 04:03 |
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ck5134,
Quote: Thought you guys might like this its supposed to be 5 times better than any silver based thermal compound
And how much does this "Jewel" cost??? ROFLMAO!!
(Pun Intended!)
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19. July 2007 @ 04:08 |
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$4.99 for 1.5 grams, 1.5 grams of it is supposed to go as far as a 3.5 grams of artic silver
cures in only 2 hours too
could say it does a diamond job of cooling (audience sighs in disbelief)
cant find a source for it in the uk, im still hunting around. with this and the lapped freezer 6 pro, its tempting to lap the heatspreader on the cpu, ill lap the old 3000 venice for this lol just to see how much temp drop i get, if its good enough ill lap the 4200 x2 when I order it.
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19. July 2007 @ 05:33 |
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Russ, yes but the air out of mine isn't hot when I run my fans at that speed either, and an X1900 puts out a lot of heat. Your system could be quiet and still have adequate temperatures.
As for the best value performance cooler, the Arctic Cooling Freezer.
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gamegeniu
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19. July 2007 @ 10:52 |
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Im having problems overclocking with my new e6420. Basically my goal is to achieve 3.2ghz speeds on stock air. If read around and even on this forum ( around page 127 ) ppl were saying how they get 3.2 on stock with no problems.
Here are the specs of my PC:
Intel E6420 2.13 dual core with stock fan
Asus P5B-VM mobo
Antec 700 Watt Power Supply
DDR2 4gb PC6400 Dual OCZ (2x 2gbs) speed 800MHz
160gb SATA HD
Specifications set within Bios:
JumperFree Config:
CPU Freq: 266
DRam Freq: Auto ( options are DDR2-533, 667, 800, 889, 1067 MHz )
PCI Express Freq: Auto ( options are 90-150 )
Spread Spectrum: Enabled
Memory Voltage: Auto ( options are 1.8, 1.85, 1.9, 1.95 )
VCore: Auto ( 1.1 - 1.65 )
CPU Config:
Modify Ratio Support: Enabled
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8 ( options 6-8 )
C1E Support: Disabled
MaxCPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Func: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
PECI: Disabled
Chipset:
North Bridge Config:
Memory Remap Feature: Disabled
Config DRAM Timings by SPD: Enabled
Initiate Graphics Adapter: PEG / PCI
Internal Graphics Mode Select: Enabled, 8mbs
DVMT Mode Select: DVMT Mode
DVMT / Fixed Memory: 256MB
PEG Port Config:
Peg Force x1: Disabled
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I tried last night several time to overclock and failed each time. The settings i tried were:
Bus Speed: 400mhz
FSBRAM : DDR2-533 ( it is 1:1, verified in CPU-Z )
Multiplier: 8x
VMem: 1.90
VCore: 1.30, 1.3125, 1.325, 1.3375, 1.35, 1.3625, 1.375, 1.3875, 1.4
Everytime i hit F10 for save and exit and press enter, the system shuts down and reboots runs for 1-2seconds then shutsoff again( no beep or anything ), reboots one more time this time it runs for a while but doesnt display anything.
Earlier today i read that ppl actually had their VCore up to 1.5, so when i got home i tried to OC it again. This time with these settings:
Bus Speed: 400mhz
FSBRAM : DDR2-533 ( it is 1:1, verified in CPU-Z )
Multiplier: 8x
VMem: 1.90
VCore: 1.4125, 1.425, 1.4375, 1.45, 1.4625, 1.475, 1.4875, 1.5
Again, Everyone of them failed to boot.
Normally the settings on the e6420 is 266mhz with 8x multiplier, a 2:3 ratio which makes the ram at 400mhz ( 800 with the DDR2, which is what i have ). And it boots fine with any of the 4 memory voltages. I read the specs on my memory and they are rated for 2V, so.
Iv tried with around 300-350 mhz too, nothing, always fail.
Well, ANY help would be great, this thing is starting to piss me off :(
Thanks in advance :)
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19. July 2007 @ 11:06 |
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You will struggle to make 3.2Ghz with the stock fan because it'll get very hot, but you should be able to overclock a bit.
if you have 800mhz RAM, why is FSBRAM 533mhz?
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gamegeniu
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19. July 2007 @ 11:12 |
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that setting is for the ratio of FSB : DRAM ....
DDR2 - 533 -> 1:1
DDR2 - 667 -> 4:5
DDR2 - 800 -> 2:3
DDR2 - 933 -> 3:5
DDR2 - 1067 -> 1:2
This is the Mem Multiplier. ( took me a while to figure this out )
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19. July 2007 @ 11:20 |
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That suggests the DRAM you're using is 533mhz. You told me it was 800mhz.
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gamegeniu
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19. July 2007 @ 11:25 |
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The ram i have in the mobo is a 4gb kit of OCZ pc2-6400 DDR2 - 800mhz ram ...
default is set to ddr2-800 ( 2:3 multiplier ) which is fine when the FSB is at 266mhz, that would make the ram at 400mhz which is 800mhz for ddr2.
if i have it on the setting for DDR2-800 then that will set it as a 2:3 multiplier which when the FSB mhz is 400 then the memory would be at 600mhz ( 1200mhz DDR2, which is way to high ).
so setting it to ddr2-533 set its to a 1:1 multiplier which when the FSB is 400 then the memory would be at 400mhz ( 800mhz dd2, which is perfect ).
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19. July 2007 @ 11:28 |
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Gotcha, I was doing the sums the wrong way round!
So if you make any change at all to the FSB it doesn't POST?
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gamegeniu
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19. July 2007 @ 11:51 |
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I can get it to post at a max of around 280 ... anything more it wont work ... if i change the voltage to compensate for the change it still doesnt work. Personally i have no clue what is wrong.
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19. July 2007 @ 12:38 |
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if you set the fsb (cpu freq) to 400mhz then setting the dram freq to 800 not 533 should give you a fsb:dram ratio of 1:1 with DDR2 800 ram.
what is the stock/original multiplier of your cpu? give me a link to your memory make and model. let me know and we'll go from there.
1st you're taking way too big of jump in fsb. memory voltage and/or timings may not be set right.
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19. July 2007 @ 14:04 |
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the model of my memory is: OCZ2VU8004GK
the original multiplier on the cpu was 8x, with a fsb of 266
Also, what might be a problem is that i am using on board video. :(
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19. July 2007 @ 14:05 |
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I know overclocking has it's downsides but there's one error that just started coming up and is getting annoying.
MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION
Main causes=Overclocking PC and others
Does anyone else get this? It just started out of no where just yesterday after 1 week of using the overclocked PC.
Is it fixable?
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19. July 2007 @ 14:57 |
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Typically changing your overclock by 1 or 2mhz solves errors like those.
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19. July 2007 @ 15:29 |
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So if I change my FSB from 250 to 248~252 it'll be gone? What specifically causes this to happen. I know now that it isn't some sort of exhaust issue.
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19. July 2007 @ 17:11 |
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rvinkebob,
It's just what they call "Black Holes" caused by some mismatch between all the variables involved. Binning has a lot to do with it too as all processors, memory, motherboards, power supplies and other components don't always mix exactly the same or perform the same either. it's all a matter of tolerances. When you buy memory, say DDR2/800 cas4 that runs at timings of 4-4-4-12. All that means is that it's been certified and tested to run those settings at stock speeds, nothing more! Because of the differences in binning, you may get memory that runs fine stock, but won't OC worth a flip, while you also may get some that OC's real well. This has nothing to do with the quality of it either. That's why you should always buy matched sets, as they have been tested together to match each others performance and you stand a better chance of getting better overclocking memory!
Take my Video Card, an XFX 7600GT. It runs stock at 570MHz core and 1450MHz memory. Mine overclocked to 650/1600 while someone else's may only do 500/1500 max. Mine runs only about 1-2C higher in temperature while the other one running at 500/1500 may run a great deal hotter. It's the luck of the draw!
The same thing goes for motherboards. OCing stresses components! Capacitors break down and leak over time. Eventually anyone running a max OC will have to back it down a bit as these components slowly break down. The motherboards with "Solid State" ceramic capacitors should last a good bit longer as they don't absorb moisture which hastens breakdown, because they are sealed, so little or no moisture gets in them. I used to have to go out to NASA when I worked in Florida, once a month to rebuild all their dental drills. They were using them to grind resistors to get them to the spec NASA demanded. As you remove material, the resistance changes. Normal resistors have a tolerance of +- 10%. Higher quality ones are +- 5%. Its not to hard to figure that there can be a 10% difference between 2 of the same resistors and still be within spec! NASA was looking for +- 1%! See what I mean?
Hope that answers your question!
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19. July 2007 @ 17:42 |
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Well thanks for the great deal of info. Please excuse me if I mis-understand but you're saying, memory wise, keep the same of both sticks be it PC3200 in my case. I have two Kingston's that I just figured out are the exact same even though they look different.
So you're also saying that OC stresses everything instead of just the CPU and RAM. Correct anything cause I'm new to "software to hardware" modification.
P.S. If I bought a new CPU for my Socket 754 (AMD Athlon 64 3700+) would this whole stress thing be gone along with the errors?
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19. July 2007 @ 17:43 |
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gamegeniu,
I doubt you will be able to hit 3.1ghz with your cpu and mobo (THE VM is not the best for OC'ing), especially with an oem hsf. start with this:
set the vcore to 1.4 (note keep a close eye on the cpu temp, this is just to get started and might be able to back down later, I would go no higher on oem hsf period)
set the pci express freq at 100. I realize you are using onboard graphics and this may also be limiting your OC.
set the dram voltage to 1.9 or 2.0. set the timings at 5-6-6-18. reboot.
raise the cpu freq to 280mhz. set the dram freq one setting under 800mhz. reboot. monitor cpu temp.
bump up cpu freq in 5 mhz steps each time being sure dram freq is under 800mhz (dram freq will increase as cpu freq increases). reboot.
continue doing this untill it will no longer boot or you reach your target OC. ALWAYS MONITOR CPU TEMP.
when you reach the limit of the OC or OC target, you can try raising the dram freq to one setting over 800mhz. the reason you keep it under 800mhz while OC'ing the cpu is to keep your memory out of the equation.
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19. July 2007 @ 20:18 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs: rvinkebob,
It's just what they call "Black Holes" caused by some mismatch between all the variables involved. Binning has a lot to do with it too as all processors, memory, motherboards, power supplies and other components don't always mix exactly the same or perform the same either. it's all a matter of tolerances. When you buy memory, say DDR2/800 cas4 that runs at timings of 4-4-4-12. All that means is that it's been certified and tested to run those settings at stock speeds, nothing more! Because of the differences in binning, you may get memory that runs fine stock, but won't OC worth a flip, while you also may get some that OC's real well. This has nothing to do with the quality of it either. That's why you should always buy matched sets, as they have been tested together to match each others performance and you stand a better chance of getting better overclocking memory!
Take my Video Card, an XFX 7600GT. It runs stock at 470MHz core and 1450MHz memory. Mine overclocked to 650/1600 while someone else's may only do 500/1500 max. Mine runs only about 1-2C higher in temperature while the other one running at 500/1500 may run a great deal hotter. It's the luck of the draw!
The same thing goes for motherboards. OCing stresses components! Capacitors break down and leak over time. Eventually anyone running a max OC will have to back it down a bit as these components slowly break down. The motherboards with "Solid State" ceramic capacitors should last a good bit longer as they don't absorb moisture which hastens breakdown, because they are sealed, so little or no moisture gets in them. I used to have to go out to NASA when I worked in Florida, once a month to rebuild all their dental drills. They were using them to grind resistors to get them to the spec NASA demanded. As you remove material, the resistance changes. Normal resistors have a tolerance of +- 10%. Higher quality ones are +- 5%. Its not to hard to figure that there can be a 10% difference between 2 of the same resistors and still be within spec! NASA was looking for +- 1%! See what I mean?
Hope that answers your question!
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19. July 2007 @ 20:42 |
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revinkebob,
Quote: So you're also saying that OC stresses everything instead of just the CPU and RAM. Correct anything cause I'm new to "software to hardware" modification.
At least the hardware that it attaches to, directly or indirectly. The motherboard is a very important part of the equation as how well things work depends on the boards overall stability. As far as the PS goes, C2Ds seem to be more fussy than other CPUs in terms of power. If your power supply isn't up to snap, that can ruin what would ordinarily be a good overclock! Same way with the video card. Like I said, some will overclock good and some will not. Same model card but different capabilities. It's always a matter of the marriage between the components and the ability of said components. One will affect the other.
P.S. If I bought a new CPU for my Socket 754 (AMD Athlon 64 3700+) would this whole stress thing be gone along with the errors?
The stress is still a factor that depends on the binning of a particular chip and how well it marries to the other components. It's always there depending on how far you push the limits. Processors all have a sweet spot that you will know when you find it. It's almost always lower than the maximum for a given chip. For instance, my E4300 will run at 3.396GHz, but it's not stable enough to do much more than run benches. It runs almost as good at 3.276 and runs smoother in the process! I could raise the vcore some more but I have a personal limit of 1.392v, which is the last step before 1.40v. I refuse to go any higher. I'm just not willing to push the voltage any higher for what I consider a slight gain in performance. Why risk the CPU just to save 5 minutes in encode time with DVD ReBuilder/CCE. That's just me. Others are willing to risk it more than I am. Just one of my quirks brought about by experience. I would just prefer to have a slightly slower but completely dependable computer!
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19. July 2007 @ 22:09 |
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@gamegeniu
the onboard graphics will make your overclock fail sooner than if you had a card, i would guess around 10/15% will be all you can get unless you get a graphics card.
@russ
the 7600gt at stock is 560mhz core and 1400mhz mem, even tho some use samsung ram chips that are rated at 1600mhz.
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19. July 2007 @ 23:17 |
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