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greensman

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9. January 2009 @ 22:24

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Some more goodies. Review of the New Phenom II CPUs!

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492

One step forward at a time!

Russ

Oh!! Who gives a crap about reading some more stuff?? Russ just buy the DAMN thing since it's better than sliced bread and let us know how it works so I can plan my new build a year from now... ROFL. :D

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Humor from me.. NAH!!! :P

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theonejrs

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9. January 2009 @ 23:20

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Originally posted by greensman:

Originally posted by theonejrs:
Some more goodies. Review of the New Phenom II CPUs!

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492

One step forward at a time!

Russ
Oh!! Who gives a crap about reading some more stuff?? Russ just buy the DAMN thing since it's better than sliced bread and let us know how it works so I can plan my new build a year from now... ROFL. :D

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Humor from me.. NAH!!! :P

Tryin to piss me off huh! :-) (-:

Seriously, I would but something happened to change everything. The Lady that's buying my computer called me and told me that I would have to wait till the end of the month because she had to pay for her Interferon treatments for chronic arthritis. As of Wednesday they no longer accept Medicaid! She told me if I sold it, it would be OK! Bummer!

Now go suck an Egg! LOL!! :-)
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greensman

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9. January 2009 @ 23:27

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

Tryin to piss me off huh! :-) (-:

Seriously, I would but something happened to change everything. The Lady that's buying my computer called me and told me that I would have to wait till the end of the month because she had to pay for her Interferon treatments for chronic arthritis. As of Wednesday they no longer accept Medicaid! She told me if I sold it, it would be OK! Bummer!

Now go suck an Egg! LOL!! :-)
JRS

Russ I'm truly sorry that your deal is put on hold. :) It'll come thru. ;)

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theonejrs

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10. January 2009 @ 01:33

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Originally posted by greensman:

Originally posted by theonejrs:

Tryin to piss me off huh! :-) (-:

Seriously, I would but something happened to change everything. The Lady that's buying my computer called me and told me that I would have to wait till the end of the month because she had to pay for her Interferon treatments for chronic arthritis. As of Wednesday they no longer accept Medicaid! She told me if I sold it, it would be OK! Bummer!

Now go suck an Egg! LOL!! :-)
JRS
Russ I'm truly sorry that your deal is put on hold. :) It'll come thru. ;)

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Thanks GM! She's a nice lady and if she can't buy it she will find someone who will. A good person! I was just all revved up and ready to build!

Russ

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theonejrs

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10. January 2009 @ 02:28

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Another review from The Guru of 3D

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom...0-review-test/1

22 pages worth. This is a lot more realistic than some other reviews I saw! Not only am I telling you, but the Article tells you to buy this MB! I've been waiting for someone to use this board for benchmarks. $138 and well worth it! They managed 3.8GHz with it on air!

Russ

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sammorris

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10. January 2009 @ 09:21

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The problem with most of the results for the 4850e are that they aren't compared with anything, they just give the scores it achieved, and nothing for any other CPU, and since test environments vary, the benchmarks are all useless. What I did notice though, in the Sandra raw arithmetic calculations, which is where video encoding and file compression should work well, the 4850e was miles behind the E6600, which is a slower CPU than the E5200. By miles away I mean the E6600 had a 35% gain in MIPS. In MFLOPs, the two CPUs perform about the same, but as I stated before, the E5200 is still a faster processor, so to say it doesn't even compare to it?

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theonejrs

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10. January 2009 @ 16:35

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Originally posted by sammorris:
The problem with most of the results for the 4850e are that they aren't compared with anything, they just give the scores it achieved, and nothing for any other CPU, and since test environments vary, the benchmarks are all useless. What I did notice though, in the Sandra raw arithmetic calculations, which is where video encoding and file compression should work well, the 4850e was miles behind the E6600, which is a slower CPU than the E5200. By miles away I mean the E6600 had a 35% gain in MIPS. In MFLOPs, the two CPUs perform about the same, but as I stated before, the E5200 is still a faster processor, so to say it doesn't even compare to it?

I'm glad I decided on the 7750 BE then. The big problem with a lot of tests for AMDs is the motherboard. nVidia chipsets don't work that well with them compared to the 780G. It will improve the 4850e's performance about 15% to 20% over AM2, and who knows what the difference is between it and the nVidia. I don't remember anymore but there was a pretty good gap in overall performance! In AMD's shoot out challenge, nVidia came there to win, and were not pleased at all! The on-board Intel graphics are not up to snuff and finished dead last. The nVidia, finished second, but it was a distant second, overall. I know they were unhappy as their big guys were quoted as saying they didn't come for second place and were disappointed! I posted this a while back!

Russ

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sammorris

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10. January 2009 @ 17:47

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
The big problem with a lot of tests for AMDs is the motherboard. nVidia chipsets don't work that well

What's new? lmao!

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10. January 2009 @ 19:03

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Originally posted by russ:
nVidia chipsets don't work

just work that out russ :P :D

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theonejrs

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12. January 2009 @ 19:14

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My thanks to "ck5134" for this Overclocking information!
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/revie...940_920_15.html

Enjoy,
Russ

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sammorris

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12. January 2009 @ 19:59

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So only 4.0Ghz stable on Phase, at best. Somewhat different from the 4.5 on water eh? :S

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12. January 2009 @ 20:42

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It's a decent chip but for an overclocker not the best bank for the buck. Its problem is that it might be attractive for someone who likes to tinker to play with but for a novice enthusiast it isn't going to offer much that couldn't easily be beaten for a little more. I'm cheering for AMD but chasing Intel's tale isn't going to win them a lot of fans. If AMD doesn't pull it together soon we're all going to be screwed because Intel will be alone in a private market, and AMD will be a memory.

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theonejrs

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12. January 2009 @ 21:17

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Originally posted by sammorris:
So only 4.0Ghz stable on Phase, at best. Somewhat different from the 4.5 on water eh? :S

Only time will tell! I'll still stick my neck out and say 4.5GHz on water! Right now How much of an overclock you get depends on what MB you use! As you can see by the Extreme Overclocking article, they've gotten as high as 4.3GHz with air cooling, with an over volt from stock maximum 1.50v of only .025v. I'm betting right now that this will improve as everyone learns the in's and out's of the chipset, and future bios flashes! They may even eventually reach 4.5GHz on air!

Russ

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krj15489

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13. January 2009 @ 02:29

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I found a good article comparing core i7 and phenom 2 overclocked. It compares price, performance and power consumption.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-phenom-ii,2119.html

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13. January 2009 @ 03:34

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Originally posted by krj15489:
I found a good article comparing core i7 and phenom 2 overclocked. It compares price, performance and power consumption.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/over...19.html

krj15489,
compare those results and the same tests using the DS4H, and not only are the results much better, it even beats the Q920 at some tests, and wrecks havoc with the Yorkfields in a lot of things. This is strictly why more and more test sites say the DS4H is a must have for a phenom II at the present time! The DS4H is the only MB that has run 3.8GHz on air. Everyone else is struggling to get to 3.3 to 3.4GHz. Compare the voltage difference and you'll see right away that the competition hasn't figured it out yet. The DS4H hits a high of 4.3GHz and boots up using only .025v over the maximum of 1.5v, or 1.525v. It took the Asus M3A78-T, 1.625v to deliver 3.7GHz! Same chipset, different motherboard! So far the Phenom II performs far worse on an Evga, Asus, MSI or Biostar motherboard than it does on the DS4H! The power is there! You just need the right MB to deliver it! Somehow, GigaByte has found the answer, and I'm pretty sure they're not telling! LOL!!

Russ

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13. January 2009 @ 06:01

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hey pepps i am back now after the holidays but been reading some intresting thing that you have been posting about the phennom II.
my question what is the hightest ever clock speed on a 5000+ because i got mine running sweet at 3.9ghz. on air with the temps around 35 on idle and underload around 55. are them safe.

thanks navskin#

Edit: but some times it dose become unstable.

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13. January 2009 @ 10:31

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What would be a definition of unstable

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13. January 2009 @ 12:49

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so the PII 940 is a locked CPU? how does one go about unlocking it? reading that article Russ posted they OC'd that cpu to 3.8ghz using the overdrive utility.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom...0-review-test/6

isn't 1.44v kinda hi voltage?
looking at the specs for the 940 its identical to the E8400 except the 125w the 940 requires and the E8400 only requires 65w. other than haven 2 more cores i don't see where it can compare to a intel quad, when stat wise it is the same as a E8400.(not counting the extra 2 cores).

don't think I'm down playing the 940 cause for the price of it and the 790GP board it is a steal of a build. I'm just looking at the numbers and 2+2 in this case don't =4. am i looking at this wrong? someone please in form me.
$279 for the 940 and $299 for a Q9550(EO) not much a difference there(maybe get another ODD with the saved $20)

once again as for OC'ing the PII 940 amd tells you,
"If you decide to start an overclocking session with the Phenom processor; typically you are better off with the BE editions (CPU multiplier unlocked), and the combo of an AMD 790 FX/GX based mainboard"

is this the combo they are referring to?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128352

the board has the onboard ATI Radeon HD 3300 gpu. is this a good gpu? cna you addon your own/another card?

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13. January 2009 @ 18:44

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Originally posted by cincyrob:
so the PII 940 is a locked CPU? how does one go about unlocking it? reading that article Russ posted they OC'd that cpu to 3.8ghz using the overdrive utility.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom...0-review-test/6

isn't 1.44v kinda hi voltage?
looking at the specs for the 940 its identical to the E8400 except the 125w the 940 requires and the E8400 only requires 65w. other than haven 2 more cores i don't see where it can compare to a intel quad, when stat wise it is the same as a E8400.(not counting the extra 2 cores).

don't think I'm down playing the 940 cause for the price of it and the 790GP board it is a steal of a build. I'm just looking at the numbers and 2+2 in this case don't =4. am i looking at this wrong? someone please in form me.
$279 for the 940 and $299 for a Q9550(EO) not much a difference there(maybe get another ODD with the saved $20)

once again as for OC'ing the PII 940 amd tells you,
"If you decide to start an overclocking session with the Phenom processor; typically you are better off with the BE editions (CPU multiplier unlocked), and the combo of an AMD 790 FX/GX based mainboard"

is this the combo they are referring to?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128352

the board has the onboard ATI Radeon HD 3300 gpu. is this a good gpu? cna you addon your own/another card?

940 is a Black Edition, it's multiplier is unlocked!

There are other 790GX motherboards. That one just happens to work better with the Phenom II 940 than other 790GX motherboard at this time. The voltage is kind of high at 1.44v. Others with the same MB and CPU have gotten as high as 4.3GHz with only 1.325v! It compares to many other CPUs, not just the E8400, and the 8400 would only beat it in single and dual threaded applications. That being said, the 7750 black edition would perform about the same as the E8400 too, and it's a Dual Core! The performance, is what it is! I know Sam "loves" car analogies, but does anybody buy a car because it's the fastest! Comfort and cost comes in as well, and the AMD's are much more comfortable to use than the Intel. You develop a rhythm with the computer that's more relaxing and less stressful. Much smoother too. Anybody with an AM2 or AM2+, with a 64x2 in it can tell you that! I don't even plan to overclock mine much, except to do some testing, just to try and learn more about the platform. Most times it will be running at 3.0GHz, so I can compare the 7750BE to the 3.0GHz x4 940BE at the same speed when I get a phenom II 940BE AM3. In the DS4H, I'll get to do it all over again, using what I learned with the 300MHz overclocked x2 7750BE. Sounds like a plan to me!

As far as the video goes there's a number of options. You can use the On-board graphics, a stand alone video card, add an HD4350 for Hybrid Crossfire, or two say, HD 4850s in CrossfireX. The On-board graphics are better than many stand alone video cards can produce, and makes it pretty ideal for an HDMI/Media center PC. The On-board video is stunning, on any monitor I've tried it on, so far! I have no idea how it makes the graphics so much better in the non-HD resolutions, but think "Things you've never seen before"! A thoroughly enjoyable experience for me!

Russ

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14. January 2009 @ 08:06

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It compares to many other CPUs, not just the E8400, and the 8400 would only beat it in single and dual threaded applications.

isnt that most of everything right now though? not to many quad apps out right now.

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Comfort and cost comes in as well, and the AMD's are much more comfortable to use than the Intel. You develop a rhythm with the computer that's more relaxing and less stressful. Much smoother too

dont mean so sound dumb here but just what do you mean by the amd being smoother? ive never had a AMD so i dont know . does it load faster?

so that onboard GPU it is alot better than our 7600gt?

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14. January 2009 @ 08:22

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What do you think of this 19" Samsung 3yr Warranty
http://www.globalcomputer.com/applicatio...y=WARRANTY#tabs

Works out to 147.50 with Shipping
Or does anybody know of any better deals

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14. January 2009 @ 12:00

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Originally posted by theonejrs:
You develop a rhythm with the computer that's more relaxing and less stressful. Much smoother too.

Sorry, what?

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14. January 2009 @ 12:27

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NO OPINIONS !!
What do you think of this 19" Samsung 3yr Warranty
http://www.globalcomputer.com/applicatio...y=WARRANTY#tabs

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14. January 2009 @ 13:22

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404 not found.

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try this
http://www.globalcomputer.com/applicatio...0&Sku=S203-1968

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