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The New AMD Building Thread
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14. January 2009 @ 14:38 |
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Seems like a good deal. One wonders why their site is identical to TigerDirect's...
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14. January 2009 @ 14:51 |
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I've noticed that also. In fact, Tigerdirect has the same item with the same item number. They must be connected.
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14. January 2009 @ 15:37 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
You develop a rhythm with the computer that's more relaxing and less stressful. Much smoother too.
Sorry, what?
I had to double check that post also. We know TheOne likes his AMD but this sounds like romantic love...Enough to turn the old floppy disc into a solid state hard drive, so to speak..now thats a true fanboy LOL.
And yes Global is a Parent/Brother company to Tiger Direct.
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14. January 2009 @ 17:10 |
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sytyguy..GlobalComputer, TigerDirect, CompUSA, All the same company, All ship out of the same Warehouse. Forget who bought who out, but as of now their are only CompUSA Retail stores in Florida. Their plan is to progress from here slowly. But if U live in Florida & buy from TigerDirect, CompUSA, they will charge sales tax. Buy from Global & no sales tax. Go figure, they still compete for the sale though, I don't know commissions or what
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14. January 2009 @ 18:31 |
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cincyrob,
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dont mean so sound dumb here but just what do you mean by the amd being smoother? ive never had a AMD so i dont know . does it load faster?
so that onboard GPU it is alot better than our 7600gt?
Rob,
I/O is much faster on an AMD. Programs seem to open much faster. I know I had a youTube video I sent to Russell and on his AMD 4800+ it was loaded and playing before my E6750 was even done loading it. The AMDs seem to boot up XP faster too. I guess I would have to say that it's throughput is better than the Intels!
Yes, the OB GPU is better than our 7600GTs. It's capable of doing full HD graphics with as little as a Sempron 3200+ single core installed in the MB.
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Russ
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14. January 2009 @ 18:47 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
You develop a rhythm with the computer that's more relaxing and less stressful. Much smoother too.
Sorry, what?
I had to double check that post also. We know TheOne likes his AMD but this sounds like romantic love...Enough to turn the old floppy disc into a solid state hard drive, so to speak..now thats a true fanboy LOL.
And yes Global is a Parent/Brother company to Tiger Direct.
Sammorris,
I can't explain it very well, but it's just things seem to happen faster and smoother on the AMD with a lot less pausing and a lot more doing! I guess this is what people mean when they talk about AMD and real world performance. Even though the intels are faster by the numbers, the overall time spent when doing an Encode, from the start of the program to the finish it's much faster on the AMD than the times DVDRB/CCE report indicate, so from start to finish the actual time spent is not that much different.
Best Regards,
Russ
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14. January 2009 @ 23:19 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I/O is much faster on an AMD. Programs seem to open much faster. I know I had a youTube video I sent to Russell and on his AMD 4800+ it was loaded and playing before my E6750 was even done loading it. The AMDs seem to boot up XP faster too. I guess I would have to say that it's throughput is better than the Intels!
I know what you are talking about. When i had an x2 3600 everything was very responsive and seemed to load instantly. Then I switched to an e2200 and it was fast but not quite as responsive as the x2 when doing normal stuff. It also booted much faster. i got xp to boot in about 20 seconds and with the e2200 it was higher than that. Thats why I like amd cpus in cheap home builds.
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14. January 2009 @ 23:34 |
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krj15489,
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I know what you are talking about. When i had an x2 3600 everything was very responsive and seemed to load instantly. Then I switched to an e2200 and it was fast but not quite as responsive as the x2 when doing normal stuff. It also booted much faster. i got xp to boot in about 20 seconds and with the e2200 it was higher than that. Thats why I like amd cpus in cheap home builds.
That's what i have seen with every 64x2 I've ever used!
Russ
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15. January 2009 @ 08:24 |
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A couple of things Russ,
Russell's video would have been run faster due to a better internet connection. The I/O speed of a CPU has nothing to do with how web browser videos load, because they don't require any CPU load in the first place.
As for the HD3200 being better than the 7600GT, it could potentially be better at HD video due to drivers, but at anything else, the 7600GT is still miles faster.
I have yet to see this difference with AMDs on any scale that didn't make me think it was the hard disk to blame. All the scenarios you two have listed are purely down to what drivers are installed, and how well the HDD is performing.
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15. January 2009 @ 16:21 |
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sammorris,
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A couple of things Russ,
Russell's video would have been run faster due to a better internet connection. The I/O speed of a CPU has nothing to do with how web browser videos load, because they don't require any CPU load in the first place.
As for the HD3200 being better than the 7600GT, it could potentially be better at HD video due to drivers, but at anything else, the 7600GT is still miles faster.
I have yet to see this difference with AMDs on any scale that didn't make me think it was the hard disk to blame. All the scenarios you two have listed are purely down to what drivers are installed, and how well the HDD is performing.
Believe me, it's not the Internet connection. His speed is the same as mine as we are on the same Firewall/Router, same browser and everything.
While the 7600GT is much faster, the HD3200 video capabilities are far superior, even at non HD resolutions. I marvel at the picture quality of DVDs, over what my 7600GT can deliver, even on a cheap no-name 16" monitor. The 7600GT doesn't come close to the same picture quality and detail is noticeably better on the HD3200. You would have to be blind, not to be able to notice the difference.
As far as the hard drives go, they all perform about the same, with the WD boot drive on mine being slightly (3Gb/s) faster than his Seagates. While the same DVD took 7 minutes more to Encode with DVDRB/CCE on the x2 2.3GHz 4400+ in the 780G by the totals in DVDRB, the actual time difference between the two computers from the start of the program, to the end of the rebuild was actually about 3 1/2 minutes slower than mine overall. It beat out the faster x2 2.5GHz 4800+ on an nVidia AM2 MB by about 7 minutes. While DVD Rebuilder shows the time difference as 14 minutes, it was really only about 10 minutes! We did these three times and ran the programs simultaneously, and timed them from the launch of DVDRB. That doesn't even take into consideration that my work and output folders are on a separate HDD, which speeds up the re-build process on mine even more! Drivers are not going to account for that kind of difference in real time!
Russ
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15. January 2009 @ 16:45 |
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The line quality is what defines the speed of an internet connection, as long as they support the standard, the modem is irrelevant, and to an extent so is the browser as they will be using the same plugin.
The picture quality on the HD3200 will be much better than the 7600GT, but the actual performance won't be any better, the actual processing power of the 7600GT is far higher than the HD3200.
I'm afraid I don't understand the second half of your post.
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15. January 2009 @ 17:02 |
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sammorris,
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The line quality is what defines the speed of an internet connection, as long as they support the standard, the modem is irrelevant, and to an extent so is the browser as they will be using the same plugin.
The picture quality on the HD3200 will be much better than the 7600GT, but the actual performance won't be any better, the actual processing power of the 7600GT is far higher than the HD3200.
I'm afraid I don't understand the second half of your post.
The internet connections are both 2997 Down and 791 up on a T1 line!
The second half is easy to understand. I have two DVDs of Lost in Space! Starting both computers by launching DVDRB at the same time resulted in the AMD 4400+ finishing the rebuild 3 1/2 minutes slower than my E6750 Intel, in real time! DVD Rebuilder showed 7 minutes difference in program time!
Russ
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15. January 2009 @ 17:05 |
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Then surely that just shows that the program timer is inaccurate... :S
As for the video, with a connection of that speed, assuming its usage was equal for the tests, it will be down to server load. A 3 megabit connection is far beyond what is needed to stream a video.
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15. January 2009 @ 17:22 |
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sammorris,
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Then surely that just shows that the program timer is inaccurate... :S
As for the video, with a connection of that speed, assuming its usage was equal for the tests, it will be down to server load. A 3 megabit connection is far beyond what is needed to stream a video.
You may be right about the program timer not being accurate, but only 3 1/2 minutes difference in real time is not a lot, given the difference in clock speeds between the 2.3GHz of the stock 4400+ and the 3.55GHz of the E6750.
The YouTube video I have no idea! Both were run on the same internet connection at the same time, and started at exactly the same moment! Then again, I have had problems with YouTube videos stopping and things like that, where Russell hasn't!
Russ
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15. January 2009 @ 17:26 |
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Youtube has such a heavy load, it's very variable in speed, I have never seen it use anywhere near my maximum download speed at home on a good connection, it typically maxes out at 180KB/s at best when streaming.
With regard to the video encode, you will note that AMD CPUs have always scored higher in the MFLOPS sector, consequently, they fare better in certain programs. Additionally, the E6750 being overclocked could wel have crippled its memory bandwidth, which will also slow it down.
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15. January 2009 @ 17:44 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Youtube has such a heavy load, it's very variable in speed, I have never seen it use anywhere near my maximum download speed at home on a good connection, it typically maxes out at 180KB/s at best when streaming.
With regard to the video encode, you will note that AMD CPUs have always scored higher in the MFLOPS sector, consequently, they fare better in certain programs. Additionally, the E6750 being overclocked could wel have crippled its memory bandwidth, which will also slow it down.
The memory bandwidth, as you can see from this benchmark made last July 30, is not a factor at all!
You can't ask for much better than that!
Russ
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15. January 2009 @ 20:13 |
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Youtube has such a heavy load, it's very variable in speed
Now say this ten times in a row "Very varied very variable."
Video playback is among the most undemanding tasks in existence. The slowest possible processor is more than capable of playing back HD content with even a modest $35 HD capable card. When your're streaming video form Youtube, hulu, or any source the only real variable affecting it is the screen you're watching it on, and Internet speed. That is unless your system truly sucks!!
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17. January 2009 @ 00:09 |
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How in the hell did I find out about this thread so late, If Russ is in it I want in.
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17. January 2009 @ 00:32 |
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Fredbun,
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How in the hell did I find out about this thread so late, If Russ is in it I want in.
I started this thread! Where the heck have you been?? LOL!! I know I told you about it! LOL!!
Russ
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17. January 2009 @ 02:11 |
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Old farts can't remember everything.
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17. January 2009 @ 02:17 |
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FredBun.Thats Wrong (Old farts can't remember everything.)Should be Old farts can't remember everything from Yesterday, but everything from yrs ago
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17. January 2009 @ 03:14 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
FredBun.Thats Wrong (Old farts can't remember everything.)Should be Old farts can't remember everything from Yesterday, but everything from yrs ago
rick5446,
Just remember one thing. Tomorrow is only yesterdays today!! LOL!!
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17. January 2009 @ 09:57 |
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And that was Yesterday ! And Yesterdays Gone !
Just like Tomorrow, it will always be today. and Yesterday is unreachable, just try and go their
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17. January 2009 @ 13:38 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
And that was Yesterday ! And Yesterdays Gone !
Just like Tomorrow, it will always be today. and Yesterday is unreachable, just try and go their
rick5446,
Just remember, there will always be a yesterday and a today. Tomorrow will always be an uncertainty!
Russ
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17. January 2009 @ 13:42 |
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LOL, OK Guys, I get the picture, I walked right into that one.
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