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27. October 2006 @ 04:47 |
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well..... my BenQ 1655 loves my Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+Rs but doesn't like the Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-Rs! I just bought 100 TYG03s silver inkjet hub printables and their scores have yet to be over 90! the YUDEN000x scores all go over 95+! The TYG03s work fine in my players... THANK G-D..... I don't want to send them back .... and they do look great:
even though these disks are the first time my drive has burned a 16x disk.... I used Qsuite and tested out the disk and it said that best results were to burn these disks at 12x! 8x was too low for my drive! At lest that's what Qscan came up with... meanwhile the quality scores have been very low and I set the drive to learn this disk for better write strategies.... so far the drive takes time to learn the best write strategy for the new disk being used. I know that Taiyo Yuden is one of the best disks made so I have 100 of these new TYG03s and will see how the scores change as my drive learns the disk better. the same thing happened when I burned MCC and YUDEN00x and TYGO2 disks... it took time for the burner to learn the best write strategies for the disks. All drives have their favorite disks to burn... when you find out what disks they like stick with it! I hope that my new disk will eventually get better quality scores, but I think I will stick to the YUDEN000x disks from now on! I'm glad I got 200 of those waiting to be burned! LOL
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cyanfalc
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21. January 2007 @ 18:44 |
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Compusa has a sale for Sony 100 DVD-R or 100 DVD+R for $22.99. Are these good media? I saw a link in an earlier thread http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm that says Sony is pretty good. Are these good are should I just stick with Verbatim (which I've never tried) I currently have Memorex and these discs play scratchy way too much for me. Is it true if I close all my other programs that may help me burn better?
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21. January 2007 @ 19:57 |
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Man I thought this thread was dead. A poet?
@cyanfalc,
Sony branded media is ok but TY and Verb make great media. I'll tell you that deal is hard to pass up especially if you get MIJ (made in Japan) Sony's. The DVD+R will code out as SONY D21 if it's MIJ and way better than those memorex you're currently using. If you can find the DVD-R Sony's MIJ they should code out as TYG03's (Taiyo Yuden) as far as I know.
Turning off your other programs on a single core system is a good idea. That includes AV, firewall, your internet connection. Now if you have a dual core machine it doesn't make that much difference. I don't know because I don't have one. lol.
Try this thread for some light reading and good info on everything especially TY media.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/296925
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rick5446
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21. January 2007 @ 23:20 |
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I found the same thing with the TY's & Verbs on the Ben-Q..But the Ritek Ridata seem to do very well..Regardless of what U think I find the Ty's do best at 8X..The Verbs does not matter still come up with bad sectors on about 1 in 5..Had 200 of these..Although they play in the DVD Players,they are no good if down the line I need another copy,I'm just SOL
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cyanfalc
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22. January 2007 @ 01:56 |
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2 questions. 1) How do I know if they are made in Japan? Is that written on the package or do I have to buy it and hope it's made in Japan? 2) How do I find this coding? Can this be found using DVD Encypter? If so how many lines down from the top or bottom so I can see this like I'm a six year old?
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22. January 2007 @ 02:58 |
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look for the white octagonal spacer on top of the spindle, dead giveaway that this is indeed TY media.
Made in Japan is usually found near the UPC code area.
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cyanfalc
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22. January 2007 @ 03:45 |
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I'll look for the octogon. Thanks for the insight guys & gals!
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cyanfalc
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22. January 2007 @ 07:41 |
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I just bought the Sony DVD-R 100 Pack for $22.99 but it says Made in Taiwan. It's unopened. Is this a not so good bundle? I didn't see any with the octagon.
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22. January 2007 @ 07:53 |
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cyanfalc,
I'd take that back and make sure you get some MIJ stuff. Like I said even the DVD+R MIJ's are better than some of the media out there. I think that you will be ok with the DVD-R stuff, more compatible in the long run with most stand alone DVD players. If your drive bit sets DVD+R, you can go with those. Another discussion altogether. lol.
Where are you shopping? I haven't really looked at CompUSA in a while for media. Normally they have a shedload on display so you can go through it all without embarrassment, well at least I do. lol.
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cyanfalc
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22. January 2007 @ 08:18 |
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Wow you would take it back. I just copy a DVD and watch it like once. These DVD's you think would give me the same Memorex problem (I had to turn the DVD off it was cutting so bad) or would I be ok. Maybe I will just have to get the Japan only discs.
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22. January 2007 @ 15:53 |
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I've never had a problem with any of the Sony DVD Media, even the MIT variety. I've only used the -R style though-MIT, have used both + and - R variety MIJ and they work flawlessly.
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22. January 2007 @ 16:42 |
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ive used about 100 of the sony 16x-r's MIJ and they are awsome. no problem out of them.. on 50 of them i got the octagnal spacer and the other 50 i didnt but they coded out as ty's TYG03... gotta lovem
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pholmes31
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23. January 2007 @ 08:50 |
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Hi guys, a friend picked up some TDK - R's from Costco that code out at TTGO2,or it might be TTHO2,i'm not sure if those are considered good or bad?He's not had any problems with them yet,but just wondering,thanks.
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23. January 2007 @ 10:41 |
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The Costco TDKs are TTH02s at least the 16x DVD-Rs are. Still 1st quality media per the digitalFAQ.com site's media quality guide. I really found this site useful to see if a particular media will work with your spefic burner. Just enter your burner at the top.
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php?selectmedia=2754#comments
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23. January 2007 @ 19:52 |
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@Playr & pholmes31,
Look at these scans (I know they're just eye-candy but look anyway) and please understand why we recommend Taiyo Yuden (TY), Verbatim, Ritek, and Hitachi (MIJ Maxell) media. The first one is one of a TDK TTG02 and is deteriorating more quickly than the others. The spikes are the killer here.
The next is a PRODISC (MID) and considered 2nd grade media at best. That disc is 2+ years old and still scans out at a 90. The PI errors are still low and the PI failures aren't that bad either.
The next 2 are TY media burned recently and show the quality of the media. Good stuff in anyones book. I can show you some scans of Verbatim too but they look very similar to the TY's.
I know this isn't the best way to show you how good media is but take into account some of the people on here have learned the hard way and recommend only the best from experience. Remember the best way to determine the quality of the burn is to play it in your stand alone DVD player. (playback that is, just like your memorex) I have personally burned over 1000 discs and have had to through away a few lately because of very poor media. I can show those scans too. LOL. They're bad.
Good luck and happy burning.
btw I would definitely go with the Sony's over the TDK's. IMO much better media. Not unlike blivetNC I've used the Sony MIT and they are good media (better than TDK and CMC_MAG)for sure. Sorry I just get stuck trying to get TY or Verb's. :)
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cyanfalc
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24. January 2007 @ 07:05 |
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I just made two DVD burns from the Sony DVD's I have and it's crystal clear. So far so good. I might pick up another 100 bundle since they are own sale this week at Compusa. I'm about to go to redbox today too.
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pholmes31
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24. January 2007 @ 07:42 |
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@greensman- I appreciate the great info.,my friend just likes the TDK's since they had a buy 100 get 100 free,but i'm not real crazy about them.I don't think he's thinking about them long term.I've yet to try TY,mainly because i'm too lazy to order online,(i wonder why they don't sell them in stores?)so i usually go with Verb's.I also agree with the MIT Sony -R's,i've always had great luck with those too,so i may have to pick some more up when there on sale.Thanks again.
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24. January 2007 @ 10:33 |
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Greensman, thanks for taking the time to post those scans. Ok, I don?t mean to be hard-headed, I?m just trying to understand the burning process that will result in quality scans w/ numbers like your?s. So, as I look at your scans, what one number (if it?s even possible to narrow it down to one number) should I walk away with so I can say ?I have mastered the burning process for my setup?? Is it PI Errors, PI Failures or can it all be summarized by the quality score?
Also, if I burned a copy of say the movie Kill Bill on a Sony 8x DVD-R media at 1x, 2x and 4x speeds and then burned a 2nd copy again at 1x, 2x, and 4x (only variable being burning speed). Can I say with certainty that the PI Errors, PI Failures and the quality score will be the same when comparing the first copy of 1x vs. 2nd copy of 1x? And then 2x vs 2x, etc., etc. I would think the scores will be different when comparing 1x vs. 2x vs. 4x?? And that?s where I would see what speed works best for my setup. Is my think correct?
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pholmes31
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24. January 2007 @ 11:48 |
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@playr - I've learned on here as a general rule,to never burn higher than 4x,which is what i do.Its funny hearing people say to get the higher speed media,but i figure,why? i'm not gonna burn that high speed anyway.Oh well,some people have to learn the hard way i guess.On another note,this site has been a real blessing for me,it and its great group of people have helped me out ALOT.
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24. January 2007 @ 12:55 |
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Remember I'm not an expert and don't have the burns that some do here at aD. LOL.
There isn't a perfect number to look at just worry about the spikes and the consistency with the PI Errors (no huge spikes above 100 or so) and the fewest PI Failures as possible (again no huge spikes above 8-10 this time) These are the numbers I go by but there is other concrete documentation that indicates a little looser parameters. I'll try to find it and post it for you or give you the link. :)
Man hard to pass up the buy 1 get 1. lol.
For quality burns the first thing to start out with is quality media. It really makes a difference. NO BS here. I'm not saying that TDK or Memorex makes the worst media, what I'm saying is some of the manufacturers they use make questionable media. If your going online there are a few websites to look at. www.supermediastore.com , www.meritline.com , www.rima.com , www.allmediaoutlet.com , and a couple of others but these are the ones that I recommend. As far as hardware www.newegg.com is really hard to beat.
The media I mentioned earlier is what I use. TY, Verb, Hitachi, and some Ritek. These media are proven by many here at aD and others on the web. If I remember right the list of media you guys got from the website is old and some of the info is outdated. Heck TY made TDK media at one point but now doesn't because TDK went to other sources to save money. Sony does some outsourcing to TY still as does Verb in the UK. Lots to be learned here at aD.
One thing to go by is all of us have different setups and therefore get different results. I believe you can burn at higher rates than 4X on most setups if you have media that will accommodate the higher speeds. Example; I burned a TYG03 at 12X last night and it came out just fine. I don't normally do this but thought wth and tried it on my Samsung SH-S182D with updated firmware, no problems. I don't think anyone should go over 8X unless they have tested their rig, but the only way to know is to try. Some of the guys here burn at 16X, but I think you sacrafice quality for speed at this point. The media hasn't caught up to the speed yet IMHO. :)
More to add later. Good luck and happy burning.
.........c
edit: to change some of my numbers and include link to PIE & PIF material....
http://www.bitburners.com/Guides/DVD-R_and_CD-R_Recording/DVD_Media_Testing_Guide_For_Newbies/
Thanks rob for finding this again.....:)
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24. January 2007 @ 13:36 |
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GM, Your numbers are nothing to sneeze at (I've seen the other thread "post your quality scans here" on the Nero section by the way). It's good you said pay attention to the PI Errors and PI Failures (along w/ max. values for each) and glossed over the quality score. Because last night I scanned a 4x Princo DVD-R that was burned at 4x gave PI Error spikes in the middle as hign as 700 and 800 but still gave a 93 for quality score (it's a backed up PS2 game that is untested - received my modded console today). I'm like, WTF? Ok, I think I will do some benchmarking this weekend and see what happens when I burn a movie at 1x, 2x, 4x and maybe even 8x both on crappy media and some 16x Verbs (MCC03RG20). I'm curious to see the scans as well as view them on my set top DVD player. BTW, I did buy some of those Verbs at OM a couple weeks ago when they had them for $7.98/50 pcs. ;)
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24. January 2007 @ 14:49 |
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Hey guys,
One thing to remember is the pS2 and XBOX should use the DVD+R format. You need to go to the console forums and make sure. I haven't done the pS2 and XBOX thing just GameCube. lol. Totally different media if you use the original lid.
So, in the Verbs you want MCC 003 or MCC 004, 8X and 16X (DVD+R format).
Give that format a try and I think you need to bit set (book type) to DVD-ROM. Back for more later. lol.
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24. January 2007 @ 16:59 |
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@playR
if you copy a copy and use the same thechnics you will most allways get a different scan, no matter what speed or media you use... if you take the same disc and scan it 5 times i promise you. you will get 5 different scans. maybe same score but the pi errors and pi failures still be different... if you are useing good media TY/verbatim you can burn these at 8x with no worries what so ever... unless the verbs are there throw aways.MCC03GR20... not so good verbs there. in my opinion, some have found them to be ok, got a good batch....
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24. January 2007 @ 17:49 |
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GM, no, my PSTwo is a v.14 slim now modded w/ C.C. 2.0 Pro. Just for kicks, I popped in that 4x -R Princo and it played.
Cincy, I wasn't going to make a copy of a copy. I would save it to HDD and then copy all from there one at a time. Otherwise that would be like making a xerox copy of a xerox copy (lots of degretation). Sorry, couldn't tell if you said MCC 03RG20s are no good?
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24. January 2007 @ 18:23 |
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@playR
i get ya now about ripping to HD... still the same output there. say you made 3 copies from your HD file. all 3 would get a different scan. once again they might have the same score but your pie and pif's would be different. some may be higher in pie's but much lower in pif's... go take alook in the thread "post your Nero cd/dvd speed scans here" at the last 3 or 4 post i put up...i think all of them was gridiron gang. i ripped it to the HD and burned from there 3 or 4 different time different ways. i think i got 95's on all of them but on one i had real low pif's and pie's on another they were higher..
the scans are fun to play with, but what you really need to go by is if they are read in all your standalone players, how clear they look to/for you, and if you can rerip them(to make a copy of a copy)...
as for those verbs the MCC03GR20. i myself dont like them as a few others here... we all got them about the same time and have had about the same bad luck with them... they dont scan to well,and about half way into the disc i have noticed some pixels and small skips in the movie. i had gotten 150 of them and took them back and switched out for the 16x+r verbs.which code out as MCC004 the good stuff..lol
you have used them how have they worked for you so far? you might have gotten a good batch if your not haveing any problems let them rip..lol. i do know the ones i used that did work ok for me i burned them at 12x and no problems with them, but that was only like 4 or 5 disc...
hope this helps ya some.. i do tend to ramble on now and then..
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