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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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7. December 2008 @ 18:14 |
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Not going to be any replacing, after its built and played with 4 a week its going to Alabama way north of me
Deadrum33..Pretty much similar to what I'm getting ready 4
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7. December 2008 @ 19:25 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Rick,
Neither is any better than the Freezer 64! The COOLER MASTER RR-CCH-LB12-GP 120mm is also very loud. The freezer 64's fan can be easily replaced if needed for about $6, and no tools needed!
Russ
I'm sorry russ i feel different on that...i don't see it...if we are goin by names of products that's different but..I believe in specs what tells it all and personal use the specs show that the hyper pushes way more air than the artic 69.69 cfm to 40 cfm and i dont thinks a 120mm fan can fit on there unless you modify it to there's dual brackets on the hyper which artic don't have and + 1 on the heat pipes per side and fan housing on the artic..ic comes with rubber shocks..i saw that on cincyrob's not 2 much you can change around
that artic just my own personal opinion...my vote is for Cooler Master..Sorry Russ
i rather spend the extra money for the extra's..i get out the product
even if.i don't use them like my extra rear fan hookup exhaust..
but it's his choose we just suggest..
ps..i had to drop a fan once i install this bad boy from the side panel at the top..lol
Will,
With all due respect, it's overkill! It's a noisy alternative that you just don't need! Even overclocked these newer CPUs run very cool, and the Freezer 64 under control of the MB is a great match for them. The one on my 64x2 4800+ never goes over 37C at idle and 42C while encoding, and there's no AC, only a Swamp Cooler. In the summertime, it's usually 30C to 33C room temperature in there. The big cooler master is a very good cooler for a socket 754 or a socket 939, but the new chips don't make enough heat to need it. Specs are a good thing to read, but they all fudge just a bit, even Arctic! I'll believe that 19dba when the sun rises in the west, and you don't need more airflow if it's cool enough to begin with! LOL!! Some even do comparative testing between brands and models, but there's winds up being tested in a 55F (10C) room. stuff like that! Besides, there has to be some reason the Freezer 64 is the best selling AMD cooler by a pretty wide margin, and has been for a couple of years now! There's no brand loyalty involved with the Freezer 64, it's just a very good cooler for AMD Socket AM2 and AM2+ computers. A single 92mm rear fan is all that's necessary on my 4800+ using the freezer 64, to keep it cool.
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Russ
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7. December 2008 @ 22:28 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
With all due respect, it's overkill! It's a noisy alternative that you just don't need! Even overclocked these newer CPUs run very cool, and the Freezer 64 under control of the MB is a great match for them. ............ The big cooler master is a very good cooler for a socket 754 or a socket 939, but the new chips don't make enough heat to need it. Specs are a good thing to read, but they all fudge just a bit, even Arctic! I'll believe that 19dba when the sun rises in the west, and you don't need more airflow if it's cool enough to begin with! LOL!! ............ A single 92mm rear fan is all that's necessary on my 4800+ using the freezer 64, to keep it cool.
Respectfully,
Russ
I like the big CM cooler but likes aside the price and ability of the ACF 64 will do just fine. Yes the fan is smaller and maybe quieter but in reality the fan on the CM is loud as I have a few Cooler Master fans and unless they are below 75% they are LOUD for sure. Good fans for the money but at full tilt they can be annoying.
hope this helps in some way... ;)
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7. December 2008 @ 23:57 |
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now AMD is new to me, once agin i am at the i have know idea what im doing stage of building again. look at these 2 AMD CPU's. which is better and why? what mobo would be good with one of these cpu's?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...9103291&bop=And
i am curious do these OC as well as the intels?
i have a case,mem,cooler and hdd,odd so all i need is a mobo cpu and psu,gpu. im gonna take my corsair tx 650w and Evga 7600gt and put in the other case and get bigger ones for my E8400 build. and recomendations on any of the stuff im looking for?
amd cpu & mobo then a psu and gpu for my E8400
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8. December 2008 @ 00:06 |
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Rob,
Which 2 AMD cpu's?? Missed the link I think. ;) Are you wanting to buy a mobo, cpu, and gpu?? You can literally go with a mobo that has integrated graphics that are pretty good and you can get a cpu for very little if you want too. ;)
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8. December 2008 @ 00:27 |
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added link to previous post..lol sorry.
im wanting to get a mobo and cpu(amd) use the crucial mem i have,case and cooler i have. take out my PSU and GPU put with that build and get me maybe a modular PSU and a better gpu for this rig(big red machine)
thats once i get some money rolling in here again..lol
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8. December 2008 @ 00:36 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
im wanting to get a mobo and cpu(amd) use the crucial mem i have,case and cooler i have. take out my PSU and GPU put with that build and get me maybe a modular PSU and a better gpu for this rig(big red machine)
thats once i get some money rolling in here again..lol
afaik the AMD cpu's will NOT OC like the Intels do but the cpu's you choose are about like the Q6600 and pretty good to boot. I'm sure that Russ can answer more about the AMD's than I just did and maybe DeadRum33 could chime in too, he has a couple of AMDs I think.
A 620HX would be nice along with a ATi HD4850 for the BRM!! :)
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8. December 2008 @ 01:16 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
now AMD is new to me, once agin i am at the i have know idea what im doing stage of building again. look at these 2 AMD CPU's. which is better and why? what mobo would be good with one of these cpu's? i am curious do these OC as well as the intels?
i have a case,mem,cooler and hdd,odd so all i need is a mobo cpu and psu,gpu. im gonna take my corsair tx 650w and Evga 7600gt and put in the other case and get bigger ones for my E8400 build. and recomendations on any of the stuff im looking for?
amd cpu & mobo then a psu and gpu for my E8400
Rob,
Don't know what 2 CPUs you were referring to, but the 780G or 790G or GX motherboards will work fine with any socket AM2 or AM2+ Brisbanes, since they are pin compatible all the way through the Phenom II and AM3. The 2.5GHz 4850e is very overclockable, and can hit 3.2GHz pretty easy. The 5050e 2.6GHz is also reported to be just as overclockable as the 4850e, although unlike the 4850e, I haven seen any results on overclocking the 5050e yet. Are they as fast or as overclockable as the Intels? No! That's not going to happen until 45nm. What it can do is encode video faster, because the CPU contains it's own universal encoder to cover a wide variety of formats. The 2.6GHz 5050e will tear up my 3.55GHz E6750 encoding without any overclocking! Everything else I do on my rig now, the 5050e will do as well or better, and it will do it cooler and quieter, with many less fans. For me, with my wanting to build a Media Center PC that becomes a part of my sound system, and still be able to encode faster, is like Pennies from Heaven. At long last I can get rid of the tower! I no longer need the E6750's speed for other things, because I don't use it now!
EDIT: The 9850 would be the better choice as the 9950 doesn't seem to come with a CPU cooler. It's not on the specs from Newegg! The 9850 is supposed to have a very nice heatpipe cooler. It's been reported to overclock pretty good too! Still, the same choice in motherboard as above. Should rock pretty good!
Best Regards,
Russ
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8. December 2008 @ 04:11 |
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The 9950 doesn't come with a stock cooler? WTF lol! Why does it not? The as for encoding another reason to go amd, is on the 10th Dec amd are coming out with new gpu drivers, 8.12 which will add full gpu encoding abilities and the are giving a free encoding software as well. Hopefully more companies come out with one aswell for amd gpus. I know the software they are giving is iPhone easy so I am happy, my 4870x2 should blaze right through the videos :D
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Originally posted by spamual:
The 9950 doesn't come with a stock cooler? WTF lol! Why does it not? The as for encoding another reason to go amd, is on the 10th Dec amd are coming out with new gpu drivers, 8.12 which will add full gpu encoding abilities and the are giving a free encoding software as well. Hopefully more companies come out with one aswell for amd gpus. I know the software they are giving is iPhone easy so I am happy, my 4870x2 should blaze right through the videos :D
Weird, isn't it? The specs for the 9950 are almost non-existent! and the AMD Product link is no help at all! There's no cooler mentioned I would like to point out that software is usually many times slower than Hardware however, so I would imagine the 9950 will really rock encoding with it's on-chip Universal Encoder. I can't wait to see what the Phenom IIs do, as they come with the same hardware in the chip. Add to that the benefits gained by the addition of the software fix for the GPU, and the performance will be formidable! Apparently, bandwidth is about to go up! Significantly! That's a Good Thing!
Best Regards,
Russ
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Without wishing to sound rude, the one thing that pisses me off here the most is people who ask a question about their purchases, and then order something regardless without waiting for an answer, to me it just seems rude. Good luck with your build regardless.
Also, something most people don't realise is that companies that produce fans are allowed to lie about the specifications. Seemingly the market is too variant to actually enforce correct advertising, but of two fans that produce 50CFM at 25dB, it is very likely that one will produce 50-55CFM at 25dB or so, and the other will only produce 40CFM at 40dB. This is standard practice, and coolermaster are one of the companies that do it, although they are nowhere near as bad as Thermaltake.
On top of this, in every review I've read, the Freezer 64 does a better job of cooling than the Coolermaster does. I go by reviews, not by specifications.
I always thought the 9950 didn't come with a stock cooler because it produced so much heat that no stock cooler would be able to keep up, but I'm sure AMD have given away stock coolers with 125W parts before. Then again the TDP of the Xeon CPU Intel said should only ever be watercooled was only 140W...
For GPU encoding, this is great news, the GPU really is designed to encode video, so the fact that it hasn't been utilised properly up until now is frankly shameful.
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8. December 2008 @ 14:41 |
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sammorris...I'm GUILTY, I've done just what you've said...But not 2 piss U off and not that I'm impatient..But just a quick question (if someone states that they are placing an order now, how long should they wait for an answer--20mins,30min,an hour! B4 placing order ). Because this happened to me just the other night (fortunately-unfortunately) I ended up ordering the arctic 64 for the new build B4 A RESPONSE WAS POSTED, But I WAITED AN Hour B4 doing so..Sometimes U just can't wait, Ya I got impatient! also wanted to get some sleep. I know we all have a life outside AD, so I understand. Right or wrong sometimes U just have to bite the bullet. NO OFFENSE, as U know from previous post I very much appreciate this site. Everybody here has helped me a lot, and I appreciate it a lot..Again to all MANY THANKS
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8. December 2008 @ 15:19 |
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I understand, it's very tempting to just click the order button, but depending on who's about,you should really wait at least a few hours for an answer in this thread, if you don't get one after that, fair enough.
No offense taken, but I'm sure you understand it can sometimes get frustrating.
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8. December 2008 @ 15:59 |
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OF COURSE
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8. December 2008 @ 19:51 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
@cincy
here's something else to think about pull that gigabyte board and slap this in:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138118R
I know you would get a good oc out of the E8400 CO for sure if that's what your lookin for with this board total ship to your house would be $114.00..don't worry .i got the setup disk on standby if you decide to go that route believe me you would like this board..i'm thinking of ordering another to slap in my antec case and pull the ga-p35-ds3r for the heck of it and put my Corsair Dominator on it..
@greensman aka burner man
question what would you say is the best Lite-on out sense they are
doin away with the LH models? here soon newegg has 1 left..I believe in that model of sata version..
comparsion link below:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...7106057
first of all i could give my E8400 to mort and let him put it on his Rampage formula,or give it to Soph and put it on his P5Q Deluxe,or to Russ and put on his GA-P35-DS3R, and your not gonna get any more than the 4.1ghz i got out of it...Soph might with the water cooling but i doubt more than 4.2ghz or so.
once i can get it i will get the Quad i want with the P5Q something mobo. no need to have another board for this cpu im not gonna get much more out of it.
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8. December 2008 @ 19:54 |
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Pull out a known working motherboard and swap in an OpenBox. Riiiight....
What needs to be clarified about overclocking is that almost all mainstream boards (on the right chipset) can reach the limit of a CPU with a sensible voltage these days. What the motherboard now decides is, "if I set an outrageous voltage and use Water or Phase cooling, how far can I get?" - The Biostar can make 6Ghz, whoopee, the P5Q could probably do 5.5...
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8. December 2008 @ 21:25 |
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Also, something most people don't realise is that companies that produce fans are allowed to lie about the specifications. Seemingly the market is too variant to actually enforce correct advertising, but of two fans that produce 50CFM at 25dB, it is very likely that one will produce 50-55CFM at 25dB or so, and the other will only produce 40CFM at 40dB.
And then there are those of us who just want some raw fan power, Ar, Ar, Ar. I want to shrink a wind tunnel fan down and then strap it onto a copper heat pipe system and let it roar with enough force to require bolting the case down to a table. Hmm! Maybe one of those little combustion engines that are used on remote control planes would fit and with a modified fuel tank???
If I'm building an HTPC or just one that I use for entertainment quiet is good, but for a highly overclocked folding or encoding rig in another room I just want cool.
Russ, at your age buddy you can't hear all those extra db anyway.;)
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I think Russ would probably beg to differ there. I doubt our past 'heated' discussion over fan choice would have existed if he didn't give a damn about noise...
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I think Russ would probably beg to differ there. I doubt our past 'heated' discussion over fan choice would have existed if he didn't give a damn about noise...
I was trying to make the point that what is noisy to some might not be to others. Everyone has a different tolerable noise threshold. Even my loud fans (except for the monster setup in the other room) are probably acceptable to many and are probably pretty quiet by most standards. BTW, we really do lose some of our hearing with age, especially HF.
Very few people over the age of sixty can hear above 7 Khz to 10 KHz and the noise from fans are largely white and pink noise. Most of the white noise becomes inaudible and the upper range in pink noise begins to drop off. Unless one is suffering from hyperacusis most white and pink noise actually creates a relaxing soothing environment and also makes a great sleep aid. Waves rolling into a beach is a good example.
If a debate comes down between 5 db and 5C, I will go for the 5C every time.
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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Also, something most people don't realise is that companies that produce fans are allowed to lie about the specifications. Seemingly the market is too variant to actually enforce correct advertising, but of two fans that produce 50CFM at 25dB, it is very likely that one will produce 50-55CFM at 25dB or so, and the other will only produce 40CFM at 40dB.
And then there are those of us who just want some raw fan power, Ar, Ar, Ar. I want to shrink a wind tunnel fan down and then strap it onto a copper heat pipe system and let it roar with enough force to require bolting the case down to a table. Hmm! Maybe one of those little combustion engines that are used on remote control planes would fit and with a modified fuel tank???
If I'm building an HTPC or just one that I use for entertainment quiet is good, but for a highly overclocked folding or encoding rig in another room I just want cool.
Russ, at your age buddy you can't hear all those extra db anyway.;)
Surprisingly at my age I can hear things most younger people can't. I've always had extraordinary hearing, but hearing tests don't lie. You either hear the sounds or you don't. I can still hear up to 21,700 cycles, and that puts me in the top range of hearing for most people, regardless of age. Sam has already proven to me that his hearing is superior to mine with his analysis of sound bites I have sent him. He can hear in the recordings, things I can only hear live, and that's remarkable to me.
That kind of hearing is both a blessing and a curse. You get some very funny looks from people when you complain about noises that nobody else hears. In particular for me, Proximity motion detectors for the alarm systems in stores drive me absolutely crazy!
Surprisingly, Playing a real Pipe Organ doesn't bother me at all, and they are almost always slightly out of tune, but you use that to your advantage too, as an artist when you play it. It's always a work around, because the tune of the pipes is constantly changing due to Temperature, Humidity and Barometric Pressure changes. Playing one well is a constant challenge that can be very rewarding if you have the ability to listen, learn and adapt. I attribute my own abilities there, to my excellent hearing.
Best Regards,
Russ
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I will agree on the white noise being relaxing for sleep, in moderation. My server has a very slight low pitched roar, lacking in all the higher frequency hiss. However, typically most loud fans usually have a tonal noise to them which is far more annoying, and in the case of the Freezer 7 Pro, which I believe has the same fan as the Freezer 64, it was obtrusive and distracting at full speed when trying to work. I'm not sure how far my hearing goes, but I know it's at least above 15khz, which is beyond what anyone else in my family can hear. It was interesting, my brother can hear up to about 13Khz, my mum 11Khz, my dad about 10Khz, and my grandad only 3.5Khz.
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