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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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27. January 2009 @ 13:19 |
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Thanks Sammy for answering his question. lol. I got so caught up looking at cases I forgot the original question. :P
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27. January 2009 @ 13:23 |
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The idea of an entire side panel vented is an interesting one and it will help combat the inherent flaws of the large fan cases, but ultimately for good graphics cooling there should really still be a side fan of some sort there.
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27. January 2009 @ 14:44 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Wow, the things you iss when you're sleep!
Russ: Granted, i7 hasn't been very popular as it's still prohibitively expensive, but in all honesty, there are still some situations where it's the best chip for the job. That job may not cross over my territory (gaming), but it does a lot of people here at aD (video encodes) and I have actually agreed to a few i7 builds over the last couple of months.
You moan about $295 for the i7 920, in the UK, the Phenom II 940 was actually £5 more than the i7 920. That just leaves the architectural differences. If you could get away with 3GB of RAM, there was really only about £80 between what you needed to pay for a Phenom II build and an i7 build, and I don't expect anyone to argue which is likely to perform best in its area.
I can't really speak for the depression in the US, as I don't have a job myself, my dad's probably in one of the better places to be in economic downturn (maintenance of an already sold product), and so on and so forth. I recognise that high end systems like this will become far less popular, but to disallow any conversation about them on a forum which is basically for salivation over the latest tech seems a bit nuts to me.
A cheap Core 2 Quad build in my mind is definitely the way, but really, is it out of bounds to discuss a technology like this?
As for the latter post, Intel losing a billion dollars would be pretty disastrous, but didn't AMD lose a similar amount of money of late? I think blaming i7 for their losses is absurd, though it can't have helped.
I sympathise with those truly getting screwed by the current climate, I really do, but I don't think it should dominate the direction of this thread.
I fully understand what you are saying, but no one here has actually built one! And you can't mention a Phenom II without hearing all about how i7 is so much better. Then we get inundated with reports from outside, questionable sources like that farce with the GigaByte x58 motherboard. It's like the damn thing isn't even out yet, but it's been out for months! Frankly if he had just kept his big mouth shut instead of just having to say something negative about the GB board not overclocking so well, I probably wouldn't have said a word. It was an unfair remark based on a test and review that was incomplete and totally inconclusive. What do you think people were telling me when I was discussing the Phenom II. They were telling me to build one and report on it. ie:they were tired of hearing about it! I feel the same way about i7, especially since the platform won't be around long enough to matter. I have no idea what all the MB manufacturers are going to do with all those socket 1333 x58 motherboards, but there won't be any CPUs to put in them as i7 will definitely be shelved because of Buyer Drought! If the economic times hadn't gotten so bad, it still would have been a tough sell because of the high price tag. No word on Intel's 4th quarter losses yet, but AMD just posted losses of 1.4 Billion dollars for the 4th quarter, and Intel's losses will be a lot higher! It's not a question of "if" Intel will cancel i7, but when! It's not i7's fault this has happened, as i7 is pretty much the victim of circumstance here. The worse the world economy gets, the more urgent it becomes for Intel to drop it and concentrate on what they can build and sell to to show a profit!
Anyway, I have things to do as I need to give the case a through cleaning because they'll be here to pick it up about 1PM. I'm sorry that Shaff got banned. In spite of what others may think, I like the guy, but you don't usually survive AD by swearing at a Mod. He has some anger management issues that need to be addressed. I have great sympathy for him because when I was his age I was a lot like him, and it damn near killed me. Having a stroke at the age of 24 teaches you a lot of sobering things. My Doctor made it very plain to me, either I change my ways or die! That was 40 years ago, and I'm still here!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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27. January 2009 @ 16:26 |
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I have great sympathy for him because when I was his age I was a lot like him, and it damn near killed me. Having a stroke at the age of 24 teaches you a lot of sobering things.
So does breaking your neck in a car accident due to your own recklessness. I was a few mm away from being quadriplegic, so now every day is beautiful and nothing seems to faze me for very long because I can always think back to the months I spent wearing a halo. The main thing is learning from mistakes and bad judgments.
On the whole I7 vs. AMD front, its nice knowing new technology exists and its overall comparison to old tech. That being said, I'm usually a lurker, and have read this and a few other posts where people piss all over other perfectly good rigs just because it cant beat an I7. Noone here has put one together let alone used one extensively so really noone should be talking in absolutes like they know better about it, when really its all 3rd hand knowledge from some website or a friend of a friend.
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27. January 2009 @ 16:35 |
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Nobody regular in this thread has built one. People who posted at aD have done, but since you stay in these threads, you'd never notice.
Since when have I slammed the Phenom II favouring the i7? I'd take a Core 2 over a Phenom II any day of the week, but I recognise i7 still leaves something to be desired in the value for money department.
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27. January 2009 @ 22:37 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Nobody regular in this thread has built one. People who posted at aD have done, but since you stay in these threads, you'd never notice.
As I said I lurk. Just because I dont post in many, doesnt mean I dont read all.
Originally posted by sammorris:
Since when have I slammed the Phenom II favouring the i7? I'd take a Core 2 over a Phenom II any day of the week, but I recognise i7 still leaves something to be desired in the value for money department.
I never mentioned a person by name, and actually it was directed towards others I know read this. But if you feel guilty enough to believe it was directed towards you...
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27. January 2009 @ 22:41 |
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Deadrum, I was actually referring to Russ' post, specifically:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
no one here has actually built one! And you can't mention a Phenom II without hearing all about how i7 is so much better
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27. January 2009 @ 23:44 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Deadrum, I was actually referring to Russ' post, specifically:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
no one here has actually built one! And you can't mention a Phenom II without hearing all about how i7 is so much better
Sorry Sam,
I didn't intend that to mean you. It's just that we all know that the i7s will blow the doors off of the Phenom II, for now. It certainly should as it costs a good deal more money. I also agree and disagree with Shaffs's statement about the cas 9 memory. For games, fine. No argument there, but for real work the Cas latency does matter. I know that he also said that he didn't see any difference in performance moving from 800MHz memory to 1066MHz memory. I noticed a big difference on mine, with a boost of about 1000MB/s, and it helped to get just a couple of ticks below 4000 (3997) with 3DMark 06. Overclocking the 7600GT also increased the 3DMark score by about 300!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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27. January 2009 @ 23:46 |
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I ran this test myself, 900mhz vs 1066mhz in 3dmark, and there was absolutely no difference whatsoever.
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27. January 2009 @ 23:55 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I ran this test myself, 900mhz vs 1066mhz in 3dmark, and there was absolutely no difference whatsoever.
I don't know what to say then because I posted the results a long time ago, and between the 1066 memory and the OC of the 7600GT it punched out 3997 in 3DMark 06. I made all the memory sub timings a little tighter and left the Cas alone. I also switched the memory settings to Extreme. I do distinctly remember you commenting that you were surprised that the 7600GT could score that well! It didn't seem to hurt anything and ran that way until the CPU went bonkers. I wish I had run it when I had the new one at 3.8GHz! LOL!!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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27. January 2009 @ 23:59 |
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It's all in the graphics overclock. Minor graphics overclock have a remarkable effect in 3dmark, especially in a graphics-restricted system like yours. For systems like mine, the CPU is actually often the limiting factor, so it has less effect (but still an effect, nonetheless)
It's also worth commenting that the CPU score has a high effect on 3dmark scores too. I got 6700 with my X1900XT, which is a much faster card than the 7600GT, but that was a 3.15Ghz E4300, your higher clocked, bigger cache E6750 would likely have scored in the mid 7000s with that card, so perhaps 4000 isn't so unlikely.
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28. January 2009 @ 00:04 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Deadrum, I was actually referring to Russ' post, specifically:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
no one here has actually built one! And you can't mention a Phenom II without hearing all about how i7 is so much better
Glad its understood I wasnt pointing you out specifically, just more towards the general tone around here lately.
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28. January 2009 @ 17:54 |
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i want to know if anyone can tell me why my frames per second is so slow on my pcsx2 and what i can do to fix it.
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28. January 2009 @ 18:17 |
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What processor do you have?
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28. January 2009 @ 19:58 |
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# CPU Manufacturer: AuthenticAMD
# CPU Family: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ Model 15, Stepping 2
# CPU Speed: 1989 MHz
does that help
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28. January 2009 @ 20:25 |
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That may not be sufficient for PS2 emulation really, I suppose it would depend on the game.
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28. January 2009 @ 20:29 |
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28. January 2009 @ 21:20 |
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Heh, joking right? :P
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28. January 2009 @ 21:39 |
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@ica212007: You may be able to get more help here. I do believe though that they recommend at least a 2.5Ghz dual core for PS2 emulation.
@cincyrob: lol, it has it's own merits I guess...
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28. January 2009 @ 21:40 |
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sweeeeet aint it?
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28. January 2009 @ 21:48 |
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Haha, I personally think it's hideous, but each to their own as they say...
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28. January 2009 @ 22:01 |
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LOL nice sig rob. As far as the case goes it's great if that's what you like. I like cases with a reserved look (aka plain & boring) but all I care about is performance. My NZXT zero is going to a total mess once I get my LC loops set up lol.
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28. January 2009 @ 22:23 |
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Rob,
It looks a bit like my second wife's mother! Not the case, your Sig! ROFLMSOAO!!
TIP OF THE MONTH! LOL!!
Came across something today that should be interesting to all! If you order from Newegg, and something is on sale but you won't have the money for a week and it will be off sale by then just click "Mail Payment" at the checkout. That locks in your order for 10 days, and can be easily switched to your Bank card when "next week" comes! I already got my order confirmation! Beats the hell out of missing out on a good deal! If you do business with them a lot like I do, they already have your information, so there's nothing to fill out! Sweet!
I ordered 2 Lite-On DH20A4P drives with the Combo media deal this morning, and did Mail Payment for the rest of my build because the Bank put a 7 day hold on the check I got from selling my old computer.
The real surprise was that the total shipping was $0.00 for the drives and the media! $15 for the Ridata +R 16xs, and $16 for the +R 16x Verbs with no shipping! Outstanding!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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31. January 2009 @ 16:43 |
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A couple weeks ago I purchased a Seagate Barracuda 500GB HDD and it had a horrible vibration problem so I RMA'd it. The replacement arrived today and it still has a vibration problem, just not as bad. My WD Caviar has a bit of a vibration problem but it's not as bad and my other Seagate Barracuda doesn't have any vibration that I can tell (it's in a external enclosure). Do you guys think there's something wrong with my new drive still or do I need to just live with it?
Thanks,
Parker
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31. January 2009 @ 16:46 |
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Seagates are just generally noisy in all regards, vibration included. It's just something you'll have to live with. My 7200.10 is extremely irritating.
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