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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I know. Quite irritating. Ive heard that the 7220 is AND isnt a lite-on. I wish somebody would just give it to me straight. Cause im sure not buying one to take it apart for everyone elses benefit. Sorry guys, but 20$ is better thrown out the window if it turns out to be a FALSE NEC. If im paying for NEC I want NEC!!!
Oman7,
I have a silly question. Why would you even care who makes any drive if it all works well? You sound like you feel that you are being somehow cheated? It's not like Sony/NEC/Optiarc puts together bad drives! I've been using Optiarc drives since before the S/N/O deal even started, with the AW models and regardless of who made them, they were excellent drives! I've sold dozens of them and never had a single failure or complaint. The only failure I ever had personally was caused by a Faulty Thermaltake PSU, and Newegg replaced the drive with an AD-7170! It's not like you are spending $55 for the cheapest Plextor, and getting a $20 lite-On for your money. The value isn't in the name of the manufacturer, It's in the quality and performance of the drive for the money spent. I'm fixing to order two Samsung SH-S222A drives because I want IDE drives. I've yet to see any difference in scan quality using IDE, so why waste the interface? GM seems to like the Sammi's, so I thought I would give them a try. Never bought one before, but I've heard enough good things about them, to warrant my purchasing a couple. I have no idea who makes them, nor do I care as long as they do the job intended, and at $23 each, the price is right!
As far as the AD-7220 goes, Optiarc has told me personally that it's an NEC. The only one I've ever seen, Everest reports as an NEC Chip, so I'm inclined to believe Optiarc. I know a number of people have reported them as Lite-Ons that have some cosmetic differences. I don't buy that at all! Why make separate plastic parts, just to make it look marginally different. It costs more money to do it that way, so it makes no sense to me at all! It's not like doing something like that gives the drive a different look of distinction! LOL!! The only drives that ever gave me that feeling were the Silver Optiarcs, and that's only because the Silver brought out the raised print on the front cover better. Looked very classy!
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26. January 2009 @ 19:00 |
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You seriously aren't telling me you need links for that? The P5K was infamous for it, and we had a discussion about that a while back - BIOS updates were your defense of the board after I put it down in a customers build voting in favour of the EP35-DS3R, for this very issue.
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26. January 2009 @ 19:15 |
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http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/20...rmance-review/9
intesting, for gamers, you can get 999 24 1066 DDR3 RAM and itll be fine :D
for most things ram speed/ timing is no problem. they said low latency DDR3 1333MHz.
looks liek buying overly expensive RAM for i7 is not needed :) and with i7 aparently need less RAM, you wont need to buy to much.
thought IMO id want more programs to take up more ram, becuase then you use less HDD, and therefore itll be much quicker.
if only DRAM wasnt volitile and was cheap! 1TB of DRAM and there would be no bottleneck in our systems due to HDD
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26. January 2009 @ 19:19 |
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well how come no discussions of the sort with the P5K or the P5B on the OcUK forums. not that i have heard anything liek that from GB boards, only that their lower models arnt as good clockers as other manufacturers lower boards, (nor their higher)
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26. January 2009 @ 19:19 |
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Yeah, because memory speed and latency has no effect on games :)
Have you seen the new Serial ATA RAID RAM boxes? The big ones support up to 24GB with a large rechargeable battery pack (including charge meter) and would be awesome. Sadly, the box and all 12 sticks of RAM would set you back at least £500.
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26. January 2009 @ 19:22 |
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Google results 1-10 of over a million for 'P5K post' are all problem threads, one of them from OcUK. You probably won't find many threads on the boards any more as they're getting on a bit, and a lot of them will probably have failed altogether or people moved onto newer boards like the P5Qs.
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26. January 2009 @ 20:19 |
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you realise serching for a problem actually gets you it.....
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You will note I did not include 'problem', 'won't', 'fails', 'fail' or 'fail' in my search.
Searching for "X38-DS4 POST" exactly as I have with P5K earns me only 3/10 problems, one of which has nothing to do with POST faults, it was picked up due to the sentence 'you may not post new threads, you are not logged in'.
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26. January 2009 @ 20:40 |
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funny but i didnt think the P5K was the lowest of the X38 boards.....
p5e post
2/10, and one the guy decided to upgrade the bios form within windows....
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It isn't. Your point?
The EP35-DS3R scores 5/10 for problems, the P35C-DS3R 4/10, and the P35-DS3L 5/10 (ish). All far from the 8/10 P5K gets you.
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
BTW, what do you think of these ODDs? Samsung IDE Model SH-S222A. I was going to get the Optiarc AD-7220, but I've heard too many conflicting reports about them not being so good. What's your thoughts about them?
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Russ
i myself have a 7220S it has all the traits of a liteon other than the name on it.i havent and wont open it up to see what chip it has in it. im not complaining about it cause i am a liteon fanboy..lol like omegaman i want a drive to be what it is sold as.. i bought the 7220S cause i thought it would have the NEc chipset in it and be as outstanding as the 7200S. granted i dont know for 100% if it has the mediatek chip that liteons have, but it is a great burner and yes i would recommend it it anyone. if it is a liteon in disguise im more than happy with it just for the fact the more media you run it the better the learning curve. NEC and others dont learn the media like liteons do. they have a standard and go buy it.
where in everest does it show the chipset of a drive? i wanna know now...lol
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found this in everest...doesnt say much of anything for the 7220S and what it is compaired to what the 7200S says.
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Hey russ, The reason I want an NEC chip is ALL nec drives ive had, have had a nack for burning EVEN cheap media well. NEC in short knows how to build a burner. I suppose I can agree with ROB. If it is indeed a lite-on, No big deal! Lite-on hasn't wronged me yet. Except for the bug in the iHAP422 right off the bat. Seemed to have a corrupt F/W from the factory. Flashed to an update, and presto. Does EVEREST tell you what chipset is in an Optical drive??? Regardless, Im gonna have to get me that program, LOL. Looks like it knows its stuff. I've heard of it before, never really gave it another thought. And I suppose at 23$ average burner cost, I really cant complain. My first NEC drive cost me 50$ in late 2005. I got my moneys worth, before it got cancer, LOL :)
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Originally posted by spamual:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/01/26/intel-core-i7-memory-performance-review/9
intesting, for gamers, you can get 999 24 1066 DDR3 RAM and itll be fine :D
for most things ram speed/ timing is no problem. they said low latency DDR3 1333MHz.
looks liek buying overly expensive RAM for i7 is not needed :) and with i7 aparently need less RAM, you wont need to buy to much.
thought IMO id want more programs to take up more ram, becuase then you use less HDD, and therefore itll be much quicker.
if only DRAM wasnt volitile and was cheap! 1TB of DRAM and there would be no bottleneck in our systems due to HDD
spamual,
With all due respect!
Why are you constantly going on about i7? Do you see our membership here flocking to buy them the way they did with the Conroes? Sales for i7 have been flat, and aren't going to improve in the near future! The $1000 965 outsells the 940 by about 2 to 1, and the 940 has almost no sales at all! Even the 920, which outsells the 940 by about 9 to 1 doesn't sell enough to keep the platform alive. The very rich buy the 965, The rapidly shrinking middle class buy the 920 and the poor buy Celerons. At $549 for the 940 vs $295 for the 920, the simple answer is that people can't afford the 940's price tag! Of course, the other side of that coin is Intel won't continue to build them if they can't make a profit on them. Intel has already decided to cut 5000 jobs in the US and will probably under-produce like AMD is planning to do. Just to stay in business, Intel is going to have to go after a lower priced market where the competition is stiffer, because that's all that people are going to be able to afford. Nehalem is dead! (2008-2009) R.I.P. It won't last out the year. Great system and a technological Tour de Force, but it's just not affordable for the hardly anybody. Worse yet is the Server market for Intel's i7 Xeon! It is almost non-existent now, and as the economy grows worse, there will be no market for it at all! There's also no way that all of this is all going to change overnight. It took years to get us all into the mess the economy is in, and it will take years to get back to some semblance of normality. Truthfully, it's going to get a lot worse before it starts getting better. People are worrying more about eating and keeping a roof over their heads, than about buying a fast computer, no matter how good it is!
Look for a major shift in computer component sales. People will be upgrading what they have, instead of buying new. Socket 775 and AM2+ CPU and memory sales are picking up, which is an indication that people have less money to spend, so they are putting their money where it does them the most good, by buying faster CPUs and more memory to put in their existing computers. I've had a number of customers inquire about upgrades, but I have no new system builds coming up at all! People are no longer able to buy what they want, and have to settle for what they need or have to have. Look at me! I am able to do my new AMD build because I was able to get enough for my computer to pay for it. If I had to take any money away from the house, I wouldn't be doing one at all! As it is, I will be without a computer for the next week or so until I get it all built. I'll check my emails once in a while, but I won't be on line for the better part of a week.
I built 59 systems last year, but I had built 57 of them before November first. The last two months of the year, I only built two, out of a planned 7! The other 5 were canceled!
During the great Depression, people sold Apples on street corners in major city's, for a penny each. Most times they didn't sell a single one. Their only saving grace was that even though they didn't make any money, they still had something to eat! Please keep in mind that most of us here can't afford an i7 build, and it's going to be a very long time before most of us can! Most of us are no longer able to afford to stay on the cutting edge of the technology!
Respectfully,
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Well spoken russ. DITTO! I would rather buy (at this point) an amd phenomII, have SOME bragging rights, It would still be a respectable computer (built right). Compared to what I have, it would seem GODLIKE. Im sure alot of you laugh at my sig. And thats ok. Im not really a POWER user. I wouldnt know what to do with an i7. And besides, ive heard of something that will put the i7 to shame, when they get the kinks, and support worked out. If im mistaken, I shamefully hang my head. The Nvidia TESLA based on Cuda technology
http://www.nvidia.com/object/personal_supercomputing.html
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Rob & Omegaman7,
I honestly don't remember where I saw the chipset listed. It might have been Sandra, but I thought for some reason that it was Everest. I didn't think a whole lot about it at the time because it wasn't an issue back then. I know when I physically talked to Optiarc, they said that it was an "NEC based drive". I really didn't think very much about it until all the discussion started about the drive. I just looked in Everest and I didn't find it for this computer. All I found was the Model and firmware. I don't have Sandra on this machine and I've already pulled the 250, which has all my software on it because it's being picked up tomorrow afternoon. I'll take a look as soon as I get the new one running and let you know. Wherever it was, it was in parenthesis, and looked like this (NEC). I will make an honest attempt to find it. Had it been an issue at the time I would have taken a screen shot of it.
I also looked on VideoHelp and it says it's an NEC when I entered it into their database!
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well then ban me for bringing up a computer building topic!
what is the problem with me bringing up news for people, who may buy something?
ofcourse i know about the depression, im not blind, but how does that mean that talking about new tech should now be forbidden!
please mods clear that up for me, and i wont post about the anti christ, known as i7 again!
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spamual - No need for the dramatics, no-one's saying that tech talk is forbidden; maybe in London where you live all things are rosy and the streets are still paved with gold (since the fairy tales from my youth LOL) but in the real world (outside that ridiculous disgusting money pit that is London) most people are struggling, and with the important everyday things. (You'd never guess i have a problem with the fantasy world that is London LOL!).
You always get dramatic when no-one agrees with your opinions/wants of the latest tech, it's just bits of kit, who cares :)
I for one have been out of work for months, and it's certainly not from not wanting to work, there's just no money out there, and for me that means no (proper) jobs in a 70 or so mile radius, the darn country is going to the dogs, and other countries are no better.
Our government is hell bent on bankrupting us by giving the banks yet more billions of OUR (ie taxpayers) money.
Goes to watch the News channel to see what other high street names are expected to hit the wall today.
/rant re our corrupt and inept government and banking system over :)
edited due to spelling, it's too early
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well you can shove your poor arse forum where the sun dont shine, and keep licking russ's arse then. *bleep* this *bleep*
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'fraid the young lad didn't see the intentional humour in my previous post. Ah well, the thread may now continue, though unfortunately it will have to do so without spamual's indepth technical prowess.
At least we won't have to struggle with reading illegible posts anymore. Sorry spam but you always have yourself to blame. Come back when you've learnt restraint, and a love for us poor people.
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Ahhh... thats too bad SERIOUSLY! He seemed rather tech savvy.
LOL, I just read probably 100+ posts regarding Rahstyles, LMAO! I havn't laughed that hard in A LONG TIME. You seem pretty tickled to see him back creaky, LOL. Almost feel bad for the guy.
Man... Cant wait to get my tax return. Im REALLY itching to build my next computer. I can just see that PhenomII resting in my palm now, LOL. :D
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Originally posted by spamual:
well then ban me for bringing up a computer building topic!
what is the problem with me bringing up news for people, who may buy something?
ofcourse i know about the depression, im not blind, but how does that mean that talking about new tech should now be forbidden!
please mods clear that up for me, and i wont post about the anti christ, known as i7 again!
Shaff,
I didn't mean it that way. It's just tough sitting here hearing about all the wonders and not being able to do anything about it or get involved with it. It's depressing. It's also the first time since the advent of the PC that people can say that they need to eat, not build computers. If I was Intel, I would shelve the whole thing for now until the times get better. It is a great system and I wish it was going to be around for a long time, but right now Intel is bleeding money worse than AMD ever did. They haven't released their 4th quarter 08 figures, but the losses sre rumored to be over a Billion Dollars! I don't in anyway consider i7 the AntiChrist. We Americans haven't had a lot to be cheerful about lately, and it's getting worse every day. California is even discussing a plan to cut our Power at a set time every day to save energy and for the government to save some money on the fuel it takes to make that energy!
All these years since the late 80s, I've always been able to pretty much buy anything I wanted in computer equipment, and make no mistake, I want an i7 but the dollars just aren't there anymore. It's doubly tough for me, as I probably won't be here by the time all this mess is straightened out. That makes it that much more frustrating to me as I probably won't here to be a part of the re-birth when they finally get the economy straightened out. Hell, everybody wants one, but I don't see anyone running out to spend that kind of money. It's not like talking about a Cray, it's talking about a system that was designed for the masses, and planned to replace everything that came before it! It's just real hard for me. Want is a powerful desire, made worse by not being able to even think about getting what you desire because you lack the means!
My oldest Daughter sent me a check for $40,000, but I don't dare keep it as the Government would take it away faster than she would get the canceled check back. Hell, when I was in the Hospital the last time, here I am lying in recovery half drugged up, and I've got a bunch of suits asking me about some property I used to own. When I told them that I had sold it years ago, they "demanded" to know what I did with the money! I was coherent enough to tell them I spent it all on Booze and Broads! LOL!! When they found out my kids got it, Social Security started hounding them telling them that they were responsible for my well being and my debts! Even though it's BS, SS does that all the time. They try to scare people into paying a debt they don't owe or have any responsibility for. Jennifer works for one of the largest Law firms in Portland, and her immediate boss took care of it for her! They won't be bothering my Kids anymore or someone at SS is going to jail! LOL!!
I'm not against talking about new tech at all, but new tech doesn't do much good for anyone if you can't afford to purchase it. It makes you feel like a kid in the candy store, who has no money! Plus the technology will be shelved before long anyway. It can't support itself, so Intel will have no choice. They either make money or go out of business, and the sales of i7 have been poor at best, and getting worse. Intel simply has no choice. Like I said, they are bleeding money at a much faster pace than AMD did at it's worst.
I personally would rather hear about people's plans to stay as up to date as they can afford so we can all weather this storm. Had i7 come out even six months earlier, many people would already have one in spite of the expense. Even my Doctor and Lawyer friends say they can't afford it now. Considering the Health Care industry is one of the last to be affected by a Recession or Depression, it's hurting them bad right now. The good news for them is that it will also be one of the first industries to recover when times do get better.
like I said, if we could discuss what's relevant to us as a Forum right now, we all might learn something, and help all of us get through the coming rough times. Discussing the wonders of what I consider at this point, "Unobtanium" doesn't do anything to help out in the here and now!
Best Regards,
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Wow, the things you iss when you're sleep!
Russ: Granted, i7 hasn't been very popular as it's still prohibitively expensive, but in all honesty, there are still some situations where it's the best chip for the job. That job may not cross over my territory (gaming), but it does a lot of people here at aD (video encodes) and I have actually agreed to a few i7 builds over the last couple of months.
You moan about $295 for the i7 920, in the UK, the Phenom II 940 was actually £5 more than the i7 920. That just leaves the architectural differences. If you could get away with 3GB of RAM, there was really only about £80 between what you needed to pay for a Phenom II build and an i7 build, and I don't expect anyone to argue which is likely to perform best in its area.
I can't really speak for the depression in the US, as I don't have a job myself, my dad's probably in one of the better places to be in economic downturn (maintenance of an already sold product), and so on and so forth. I recognise that high end systems like this will become far less popular, but to disallow any conversation about them on a forum which is basically for salivation over the latest tech seems a bit nuts to me.
A cheap Core 2 Quad build in my mind is definitely the way, but really, is it out of bounds to discuss a technology like this?
As for the latter post, Intel losing a billion dollars would be pretty disastrous, but didn't AMD lose a similar amount of money of late? I think blaming i7 for their losses is absurd, though it can't have helped.
I sympathise with those truly getting screwed by the current climate, I really do, but I don't think it should dominate the direction of this thread.
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isn't the title of this thread called "The Official PC building thread"? does that not include all aspects of building high end to economically sound??? I'm not picking sides or saying one is right or wrong, cause i agree with both sides on this banter. Russ is 100% right. the I7 builds are way over the top right now needing everything for a new build with that platform(well CPU,mobo and mem). its way out of my price range, i can and will most likely get the high end Q9650 for the same price as the low end I7 920 is there much difference in the 2 sure there is but not much to justify me haven to buy another mobo and mem to make the 920 work. all i need is the CPU with my current setup.
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on the other hand it is a building thread and building a high end I7 rig would be nice and there is peeps out there that can afford it... i wont and don't knock someone who has the assets to do such..do and show us the results of a I7 build i cant wait to see someone here to do it so we all can see first hand what all the hubbub is about..
if all is posted about the I7 is if and & buts then so be it. ill just skip over them post myself not worry about who or what is posting until something proven is posted, not just test in a controlled situation. everyday use is what we all are after....
i don't mean to offend anyone here just stating how i feel about it.. i do agree with both sides here each have there value points
now onto other building issues.
as you all know i have the RC690 case. i will be getting the HAF932
most likely next weekend i have the room in the 690 now to just take out the mobo with the cooler still attached. would it be good to do this and install in the much bigger HAF,or should i redo everything. take off the cooler and reapply the AS5 paste? with it being a bigger case and much bigger fans should i take of the cooler-master hyper TX2 cooler and put on the AC freezer 7 pro?
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well this isnt the HAF932 but it is another cool, coolermaster case. hot off the press.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119194
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Rob I think the HAF still has my vote. I'll have to look at the Sniper a little closer to see if the GM is gonna switch his vote. lol. ;)
On the other matter I'll keep me mouth shut in open forum, I've pissed off enough people by offering my opinion. lol. :P
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Rob: Exactly, I think you've made a very relevant and well thought post there.
I've transferred many a motherboard with CPU and cooler attached, and it's usually fine as long as you use normal size heatsinks. I wouldn't do it with tower coolers or Zalmans for obvious reasons.
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