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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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1. February 2009 @ 08:58 |
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My current computer was/is a barebone. I needed a new computer, didnt wanna pay out the ***, wasnt TOO confident about building from scratch. When I got the computer, it was darn near ready to go. Install cpu, ram, HDD's etc. Front panel was already hooked up and ready to go. It gave me EXACTLY what I needed, without paying too much, or having to handle too much for the first time.
Though, Ive had my HP pavilion for 6 yrs atleast, and have been in and out of that case quite a bit. So handling components didnt bother me too much.
A few months later, I built two completely from scratch. One for my neighbor, one for my brother. My brothers computer taught me ALOT. I wanted to be sure everything meshed well, so I did my homework. My neighbor wasnt interested in a powerhouse, LOL. Hers was quite easy, and cheap. To date google has been my strongest teacher/advisor. However, as of late, afterdawn is my first stop :D
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Red_Maw
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1. February 2009 @ 15:39 |
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Thanks for the clarification Russ. Honestly I don't know why I feel like I need so much HDD space, I hardly use any of it now that I burn a lot of the rarely used stuff to dvds lol.
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1. February 2009 @ 15:57 |
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Originally posted by eparker89:
Thanks for the clarification Russ. Honestly I don't know why I feel like I need so much HDD space, I hardly use any of it now that I burn a lot of the rarely used stuff to dvds lol.
I think Creaky will think that I have committed a sacrilege. He has more storage than Ma Bell! LOL!! I would just rather have 4 250s than a 1TB drive. At least if one goes down you don't lose it all! I wiped a 500GB drive riddled with viruses with Killdisk 2 and You could go out for dinner and a movie and it might not be finished when you get home. I wouldn't wipe a 1TB drive unless it was overnight! I just like the manageability of 4 smaller drives! They will cost more, but the peace of mind, in my eyes is worth it! Just my opinion!
Russ
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1. February 2009 @ 16:05 |
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4 250's in raid 1...WOW!!! Just my thoughts. I dont even think about raid 0!!! Raid 0 is WAYYYY to risky! Now when they perfect SSD, THEN...
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1. February 2009 @ 16:22 |
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Hehe, each to their own. I just like everything to hand electronically.
Internally i have only 6 drives -
1/ boot drive and general work area
2/ MP3's
3/ AVI's
4/ AVI's
5/ Concerts
6/ AVI/DVD encoding/ripping area/storage area 'til burnt to DVD
External drives are backups of most of the above, plus a drive just for xbox games (to save installing games from dvd), some documentaries
and episodic stuff
For instance i have all of David Attenborough's documentaries online, all of Michael Palin's, my Laurel & Hardy collection, and various other gems. Just saves shuffling dvd's.
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1. February 2009 @ 17:25 |
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That's basically what I do, especially David Attenborough. :)
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1. February 2009 @ 17:49 |
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Having every thing stored on HDD is nice and I do prefer it, it's just that DVD's are so much cheaper at the moment and I can actually afford them. Some day when I can afford it I'll put together a server with a whole bunch of drives in RAID10 ;P
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1. February 2009 @ 17:58 |
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I only have a fraction of everything on hard drives :(
..but then again we can only watch so much in any one sitting. I have just enough stuff online to have enough variety accessible via XBMC on the various xboxes around the house.
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1. February 2009 @ 18:25 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Hehe, each to their own. I just like everything to hand electronically.
Internally i have only 6 drives -
1/ boot drive and general work area
2/ MP3's
3/ AVI's
4/ AVI's
5/ Concerts
6/ AVI/DVD encoding/ripping area/storage area 'til burnt to DVD
External drives are backups of most of the above, plus a drive just for xbox games (to save installing games from dvd), some documentaries
and episodic stuff
For instance i have all of David Attenborough's documentaries online, all of Michael Palin's, my Laurel & Hardy collection, and various other gems. Just saves shuffling dvd's.
ONLY six internals. Your slacking creaky, LOL Heh heh, I only have 3 internals(actually ran). Though I can store ATLEAST 7 in my case. I dont like having them butted up to eachother. Seems wrong in my opinion. They can breathe better if I dont. I suppose I could if I got proper cooling. But I dont see the need for it. They average less than 36c even under extreme load. Though without my system drivers, windows 7 reports less on ALL sensors!
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1. February 2009 @ 18:42 |
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Quote:
or instance i have all of David Attenborough's documentaries online
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That's basically what I do, especially David Attenborough.
See this is where stereotypes get broken. So many Americans think that Brits are boring and yet here we are with essentially two individuals who don't even know each other sharing a common interest in some of the most exciting material ever to hit the silver screen. It all worked because Stephen Spielberg was directing and the CGI images and special effects in general were first rate. Attenborough played the perfect wealthy entrepreneur with no scruples. One could actually feel the breath of the Tyrannosaurus Rex as it chased them in their jeep getaway.
Wife enters the room and speaks: Say what? Not the same Attenborough? Brothers you say? Then which one of them played Gandhi?
Well I'm certain that the nature stuff has dinosaurs in it somewhere but sadly no careening fast vehicles, gunfire, and explosions.:)
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1. February 2009 @ 19:00 |
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Actually, both me and Creaky are english :P
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1. February 2009 @ 19:14 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
4 250's in raid 1...WOW!!! Just my thoughts. I dont even think about raid 0!!! Raid 0 is WAYYYY to risky! Now when they perfect SSD, THEN...
Oman7,
Who said anything about Raid? That's way more risky than a 1TB drive! LOL!!
Russ
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1. February 2009 @ 19:17 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Actually, both me and Creaky are english :P
Actually that would be Creaky and I! And I thought you were English! ROFLMSOAO!! :)
Russ
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1. February 2009 @ 19:22 |
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Ah pff. It's late :)
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1. February 2009 @ 19:40 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
4 250's in raid 1...WOW!!! Just my thoughts. I dont even think about raid 0!!! Raid 0 is WAYYYY to risky! Now when they perfect SSD, THEN...
Oman7,
Who said anything about Raid? That's way more risky than a 1TB drive! LOL!!
Russ
Im more willing to risk raid 1 than 0. Raid 1 is simply two or more drives EXACTLY the same data. Increases read speed X2 X3 etc. Where as raid 0 utilizes both or more discs like a very large Single disc. Splits the data up(hense the risk). Raid 0 fails...and your very... eh hem, screwed!!! I brought it up because creaky brought up 4 identical 250 drives. It was simply my thoughts. :D
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1. February 2009 @ 20:07 |
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RAID 1 does not double the speed like RAID 0. To get double speed and redundancy you need RAID 10, and four drives.
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1. February 2009 @ 20:15 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
RAID 1 does not double the speed like RAID 0. To get double speed and redundancy you need RAID 10, and four drives.
I was under the impression that RAID 1 doubles read speed due to identical data on both or more drives. Write speed would be unaffected obviously, :)
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1. February 2009 @ 20:44 |
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Not really, it increases it, but perfectly streaming the same data twice off both drives isn't easy with mechanical hardware, especially when fragmentation occurs.
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1. February 2009 @ 20:50 |
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mmm hmmm. I suppose thats logical :) So... its theoretically possible, just unlikely. WONT BE STABLE
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2. February 2009 @ 00:18 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not really, it increases it, but perfectly streaming the same data twice off both drives isn't easy with mechanical hardware, especially when fragmentation occurs.
Raid 1 is mirroring! the only thing it does is increase the fault tolerance of the data on two drives. If one drive fails, you replace it with a new one and clone the drive to the new one, usually from a motherboard utility. In other words it doubles the redundancy of the data stored. I do that with a lot of business computers to protect against data loss if a drive fails, and I only need two drives. If anything, it is slightly slower than a single drive! What you are talking about is Raid 0 or striping, where data is shared between two drives, making data transfer faster. Raid 10 is raid 1+0, which is why you need a minimum of 4 drives. 2 mirrored and 2 striped. RAID 10 is implemented as a striped array whose segments are RAID 1 arrays to improve fault tolerance.
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. February 2009 @ 00:20 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by sammorris:
RAID 1 does not double the speed like RAID 0. To get double speed and redundancy you need RAID 10, and four drives.
I was under the impression that RAID 1 doubles read speed due to identical data on both or more drives. Write speed would be unaffected obviously, :)
Oman7,
See my post to sammorris above!
Russ
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2. February 2009 @ 00:21 |
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Indeed, access time is increased with RAID.
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2. February 2009 @ 00:48 |
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I got this info off of wikipedi.org It sounds very logical to me. Is its information flawed? This pertains to A Raid 1 array
Originally posted by wikipedia.org:
Since all the data exists in two or more copies, each with its own hardware, the read performance can go up roughly as a linear multiple of the number of copies.
as well as
Originally posted by wikipedia.org:
For the usual mirror of two disks, this would, in theory, double the transfer rate when reading.
Here is the link if your of a notion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_1#RAID_1
Should I not trust the wiki??? Your explanations seem logical, but so do the wiki's. Im so confused :(
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2. February 2009 @ 01:27 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I got this info off of wikipedi.org It sounds very logical to me. Is its information flawed? This pertains to A Raid 1 array
Originally posted by wikipedia.org:
Since all the data exists in two or more copies, each with its own hardware, the read performance can go up roughly as a linear multiple of the number of copies.
as well as
Originally posted by wikipedia.org:
For the usual mirror of two disks, this would, in theory, double the transfer rate when reading.
Here is the link if your of a notion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_1#RAID_1
Should I not trust the wiki??? Your explanations seem logical, but so do the wiki's. Im so confused :(
Oman7,
The Wiki is correct. However it dosn't take any variables into account, such as Sam mentioned with disk fragmenting. In an ideal world with every variable the same with each drive things would work as they describe it. In the real world things are often considerably different. In practice, Raid 1 is often only slightly faster than a single drive. To get near the performance they claim, you need two separate independent controllers.
Here's the best explanation of Raid I've found to date. It explains it all! All the different configurations and their pluses and minuses! Interesting reading BTW! Raid 1+0 is the best configuration for most people by virtue of improving the data transfer, with each striped drive being mirrored by it's own separate drive. I've never used it, but if a drive crashes, it usually can be recovered and the Array rebuilt. The article will explain it better than I can!
http://www.acnc.com/04_01_00.html
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. February 2009 @ 01:54 |
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mmm sigh. It would appear, TO ME that the two sites are contradicting themselves. Im probably just too tired to comprehend it all, LOL.
Looks like neweggs out of the cpu fan you recommended. I sure hope this weeks better than last week, LOL. Thanks for a new linky to read, :) Raid 10 sounds very expensive and non practical to me. Now, if I had a bit of money... then it could be a fun experiment! Because unless im mistaken, it has some of, if not the most throughput of all raid arrays. Ideal for servers supposedly.
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