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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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19. January 2009 @ 19:10 |
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I have no idea what you are referring to. What P5? I mentioned a P4P800SE MB, which is socket 478, so I'm confused!
There seems to be enough of that going around here.:D
P5's were actually 5X86 processors, which of course preceded the P4 processors. I still remember my 233MMX which was one of my earlier overclocks, but that was about 13 years ago.
To answer the original question without all the hyperbole, upgrading a socket 478 board is a waste of money. A socket 478 dual core processor will cost you more money than a simple quad core AMD build and motherboard, and a recent AMD core per core is faster than any pre-core2 build by leaps and bounds.
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19. January 2009 @ 19:52 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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Sophocles,
You are right but they only work in socket M 478 motherboards, which adds even more confusion. It would not work in a P4P800SE motherboard. I know because I've tried it for a customer that bought one for his P4, thinking he could upgrade to a faster dual core.
I'm not so certain that is completely true either. Socket M478 processors used to be the overclockers delight for socket 478 boards because they were so much better than P$'s. In fact many think that they are responsible for Intel's core2 development (core2 was based on them) because of their performance even at low clock speeds. But you're discussing a socket platform that came out before Core2 processors were even thought of, or at least mentioned to the public.
Russ, you had one of these boards didn't you?
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The P4C800-E Deluxe can use an Asus CT-479 adapter, to run
Pentium-M processors. There is no CPUsupport entry for the
CT-479, so there is no way to know whether any processors
after Dothan or Banias can be used. It is unlikely newer
processors would just pop into the P4C800-E's own socket,
without some kind of adapter.
http://www.rackmountnet.com/Industrial-C...MB899F/
Sophocles,
Yes I had an Asus P4P800SE for my Prescot 3.0GHz. I sold it to the Lady who is buying my E6750 on the 27th. Still runs great! I wound up having to buy the P5P800SE for the D-940, as the adapter only worked for socket M CPUs. BTW, the link you provided is socket 478. I did a little research and it's a socket M 478 (something their add forgets to tell you), which will only run the mobile processors. The M processors won't run in standard socket 478 motherboards without an adapter! So much for Socket 478 compatibility! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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19. January 2009 @ 20:20 |
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bigwill68
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19. January 2009 @ 21:26 |
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@Russ
The AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz just clocked at 3927.8mhz x17 @1.4v rated at 1.5v on the Ta790GX A2+ platform setup Biostar TA790GX A2+, x4 940 18x200, Freezer 64 Pro 4x1gb Ballistix Tracer DDR2 800,Antec Earthwatts 380...wassup with that brother? I gotta find out the temps running at stress and idle:)
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19. January 2009 @ 23:47 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
@Russ
The AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz just clocked at 3927.8mhz x17 @1.4v rated at 1.5v on the Ta790GX A2+ platform setup Biostar TA790GX A2+, x4 940 18x200, Freezer 64 Pro 4x1gb Ballistix Tracer DDR2 800,Antec Earthwatts 380...wassup with that brother? I gotta find out the temps running at stress and idle:)
Will,
Do you have a link or something?
Russ
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20. January 2009 @ 01:17 |
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Check it out. My neighbor called me before work today, And asked me if I want a bunch of her computer stuff. She named off more than I can remember. I was like, SURE. How much do you want for all of it. She told me she would just GIVE IT TO ME. I was like WOW. Shes gonna let me have it at noon tomorrow if I can setup one, for her grandson/son or whoever. At the time I was all smiles. Now im like, huh. Wonder how old the stuff is. Im gonna laugh my *ss off if its like older than old. You know... 1gb harddrive, windows 95, etc. Never seen the stuff, so im gonna be dreaming up all sorts of scenarios. She told me 2 monitors a couple towers, a printer/scanner, WOW WOW. Hope she's not offended if I put them online (ebay). Thats probably what i'd do. Ive been saving up stuff of my own. Some need repaired while others are just outdated.
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20. January 2009 @ 06:22 |
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3.92Ghz with all four slots filled? I'm sorry, I don't believe that'd be stable for a minute. 2x2GB maybe, but 4x1GB? nah.
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20. January 2009 @ 07:54 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
3.92Ghz with all four slots filled? I'm sorry, I don't believe that'd be stable for a minute. 2x2GB maybe, but 4x1GB? nah.
Sam,
It's probably the difference in the memory controller. I don't believe that AMD has a problem with all 4 slots full like some of the Intels do! I've done it on my DS3R, with two different brands yet, and it never affected my overclock. The chips were all D9s, so I guess they liked each other. 2 sticks of Corsair XMS2 and 2 sticks of G.Skill, both Cas 5!
Russ
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20. January 2009 @ 07:55 |
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I still managed to get 3.24Ghz out of a Q6600 rock solid, which for a 1.325VID chip wasn't too bad, but it's the top end of the overclocking spectrum that extra memory slots cause a problem at.
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mrk44
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22. January 2009 @ 21:11 |
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Hey guys, I need some help with this recently built pc.
When I boot from the DVD to install Vista, for some reason it stays at the screen with the shiny blue background for a longer-than-should-be amount of time (about 3-4 minutes before the screen to continue shows up). In addition to that, after it installs, it gets stuck at the black screen with white text that says "please wait while windows prepares your desktop". And it just stops there. Never goes on. Some other DVDs when booted from take some time too (like Kalyway 10.5.2, which for some reason also reads the 500gb hdd as 128gb). Never gotten or seen anything like this before. Would appreciate the help, as the owner is considering returning all the parts he built it with, in which case he would have to pay a restocking fee.
Specs are:
Intel Q6600
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P
Corsair 4GB Dominator 1066MHz
Corsair 520HX PSU
Optiarc AD-7220S DVD Drive
Western Digital 500GB HDD
CM Cosmos 1000
Nvidia GeForce 6200 256MB (yes its old)
There's also a netgear wireless adapter in one of pci slots.
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22. January 2009 @ 21:50 |
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Hey guys, I need some help with this recently built pc.
When I boot from the DVD to install Vista, for some reason it stays at the screen with the shiny blue background for a longer-than-should-be amount of time (about 3-4 minutes before the screen to continue shows up). In addition to that, after it installs, it gets stuck at the black screen with white text that says "please wait while windows prepares your desktop". And it just stops there. Never goes on. Some other DVDs when booted from take some time too (like Kalyway 10.5.2, which for some reason also reads the 500gb hdd as 128gb). Never gotten or seen anything like this before. Would appreciate the help, as the owner is considering returning all the parts he built it with, in which case he would have to pay a restocking fee.
Specs are:
Intel Q6600
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P
Corsair 4GB Dominator 1066MHz
Corsair 520HX PSU
Optiarc AD-7220S DVD Drive
Western Digital 500GB HDD
CM Cosmos 1000
Nvidia GeForce 6200 256MB (yes its old)
There's also a netgear wireless adapter in one of pci slots.
mrk44,
I would recommend pulling the wireless adapter and trying it. Some adapters require installing the software first, and then the hardware! It may be hunting around for uninstalled software or drivers.
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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22. January 2009 @ 21:57 |
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The 5 minute wait at the blue screen and mouse cursor is normal, most PCs get that when installing vista. The stop at the preparing desktop phase I've not seen before though. I agree on removing the wireless card, and any other peripherals.
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mrk44
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22. January 2009 @ 22:21 |
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Thanks a lot guys. I thought the pause at the blue background screen thing is normal. It happens on my computer too. I'll try installing w/o the Wireless adapter as well. It always worked when I installed Vista on an older Sony Vaio w/ the same adapter already installed, but I don't know about this time, so I'll try it.
Much appreciated.
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23. January 2009 @ 00:52 |
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Windows 7 has a similar LONG blue screen. When I was installing it, I started wondering if it hung. We need to send a comment to MS about it. We REALLY need to know that it is indeed working. Not just DUUUHHHHHH. Atleast some kinda progress bar, or working... working...
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mrk44
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23. January 2009 @ 01:16 |
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Well, I think I know what the problem might be with it hanging at the "preparing desktop" part. Apparently the Vista installer, at the screen where you can partition the drive and choose where to install, says "this drive is about to fail. please replace as soon as possible." or something like that. I'm now pretty sure that's the problem, unless you guys think otherwise.
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23. January 2009 @ 01:43 |
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Hmmm... I believe I saw a similar/same message installing XP on a buds computer. STILL running after 3 months. I suppose if a drive is on the brink though. Something interesting about his setup though, its not supposed to support a 200GB drive, but... IT IS. Although I think XP is running on a quantum fireball. The poor thing is like 9-11 yrs old. Thats quite a life for a HDD!!!
LOL, one of my HDD's is close I suppose. My 80GB WD is about 8 or 9. Last time I checked, its S.M.A.R.T. still looked good.
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23. January 2009 @ 08:18 |
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mrk, it's picked up a SMART failure on the drive, which means eventually, it will fail altogether, and should be replaced.
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23. January 2009 @ 12:45 |
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Speaking of SMART failures, is there a preferred program for monitoring HDD health/status?
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23. January 2009 @ 12:50 |
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I used SMART Monitor a while back. I don't use it any more, as I have a Samsung drive which generates spurious SMART failure codes (I've checked with their tech support and this is confirmed)
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23. January 2009 @ 13:22 |
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Speedfan from almico is good. VERY awesome program :D
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23. January 2009 @ 14:46 |
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Thanks for the advice, I'll check them out.
Edit: Speedfan was already on one of my computers (just hadn't used it yet lol) so I went ahead and checked it out first. It is a pretty neat little all-in-one program. Anyway I was messing with speedfan and my core temps caught my eye; core #0 runs ~9C higher than core #1. Even under 100% load the temp on core #0 doesn't exceed 45C so the max temp isn't of concern yet. Normally I wouldn't ask, but since it is a laptop is this a concern I should get taken care of?
cpu-P9500
Thanks in advance.
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For those media centre/HTPC fans among you, you'll know that i rave about XBMC (Xbox Media Centre) at every opportunity.
Well i must've been living in a box for ages, it seems the awesome XBMC has been ported to Windows (and a few otherOSes) fairly recently, it's known as Atlantis (version 8.10).
I strongly recommend you try out XBMC for Windows - http://xbmc.org/download/ - it takes all of 2 minutes to install and the only thing i've had to configure is the default region ie UK, the Weather page and an SMB network source.
So far i've run the XBMC Live CD, worked very well indeed, and have installed XBMC on a couple of pc's so far; am very, very impressed. Tomorrow i'll install it on all my other pc's and will update all my xboxes to the Atlantis version from Auto Installer Deluxe 4.40 (XBMC on AID 4.40 is updated to 2008-12-07 (which is the first SVN Build after the Atlantis Final))
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a pic of it installed and running windowed -
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24. January 2009 @ 20:42 |
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mmm hmmm, I read about that a few months back. I heard its quite nice indeed. Havnt seen the need to give it a shot though. I guess I could try it on Windows 7 though. Im itching to Crash this OS, LOL. To date, so far IE8 seems to be the only real bug. Nothing too serious either. Since when it does crash, it can return you to exactly to what you were doing within a minute. A little irritating but...It runs MUCH worse on XP. XP has a beta release on IE8. They have some serious bugs to be worked out, I believe.
@eparker89
Hmmm, im no expert on core temps, my 5200 athlon averages 32c idle, 42-44 high load. But then, you have a sealed laptop. No doubt its gotta GOOD heat sink to deal with that. Atleast it BETTER! Never owned a laptop. But given logic...thats what a laptop would need to employ. My HP pavilion 7905 averages 50c idle, 60c under high load. So 45 is IMO excellent. My poor pavilion is almost 8yrs old. Im sure I could bring those temps down if I tried.
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25. January 2009 @ 15:34 |
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hey russ you like this?
custom case modifyed in the making:)
i got more pics of different views
and here's a case that will blow you away...lol you gotta strap it down...
oop's I forgot
made in japan:)
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25. January 2009 @ 15:45 |
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That top ones a handsome looking case :) The middle ones a freak of technology, LOL. Looks like its planning on taking a trip to the moon, LOL. They must have bought newegg out of its fans. :)
So am I to understand that Lian Li is the ferrari of computer cases?
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