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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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28. March 2009 @ 12:03 |
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I want to add something to the building of computers here. NEVER be afraid to read some extra or ask questions of your friends/peers/members here at aD or in this thread specifically. I know that I've bugged the crap out of some members here and other forums. lol. Mort81, docTY (kivory666), Sophy, Russ (theonejrs), BroBear, Sammy (sammorris), cincyrob, and some others I'm sure to forget but that's beside the point. They were more than willing to help me make the right decisions or at least provide some info and lemme make that decision. :) I've completely built 6 computers (different ones) and messed with a few others since joining here. I know, NOT that many but I've learned plenty from those builds and learn from all the "posts" you people make here to further my education.
What I'm saying is be sure to check with your sources before you start your build. It'll save you some time I'm sure and definitely save you some components. I'm not picking on the idividual that "sparked" his mobo just adding to the experience for others to come. I BET you a large amount of money that fella will NEVER forget to use risers again. lol. We learn by doing and sometimes that means doing it wrong. I've done it plenty of times but NOT to many times with computers. lol. Been lucky there kinda like Russ was talking about earlier. :P @ Russ. :)
Ok.. enough of this "mushy sh..ow of emotion"..... :)
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add: HAPPY COMPUTING and more importantly... Happy Building. :D
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28. March 2009 @ 12:06 |
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I do my best not to criticise mistakes like these, foremost because I've made most of them myself! The only thing I object to is people asking your advice and then ignoring it, especially with regard to PSUs, that really winds me up. Other than that, I'll try and play nice... :)
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28. March 2009 @ 12:09 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That is best practice. Unlike proper thermal paste, the thermal pad that comes pre-applied to coolers does not work at all well once the cooler has been removed. However, in the case of the Freezer 64 coolers I'm unsure. I redo it anyway, but you it may not be necessary. Any new generation Freezer owners care to shed any light on this?
If the thermal pad was not making good contact, the system would still boot, but run hot, or shut down after a certain period.
Sammy I'm with you. I always redo my application of thermal paste when changing out the cooler. I'm even so anal I remove the paste from the cooler and apply my favorite paste in stock. lol. OCZ Freeze, AS5, or MX-2 I think it is. ;) Those are some good pastes from what I can tell and all work about the same for cooling but I like the NON-conductivity of the OCZ Freeze and MX-2. ;)
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28. March 2009 @ 12:11 |
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Agreed, my current favourite is OCZ Freeze, but in the lack of having anything other than TR ChillFactor to hand the last time I moved my CPU (The HAF move), I borrowed some AS5, still does a good job.
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28. March 2009 @ 12:12 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I do my best not to criticise mistakes like these, foremost because I've made most of them myself! The only thing I object to is people asking your advice and then ignoring it, especially with regard to PSUs, that really winds me up. Other than that, I'll try and play nice... :)
LOL. I'm a little over the top when it comes to PSU's now. I like more power just like Tim the Tool Man. lol. :P I've got where I look for modular PSU's now tho... I just like the convenience of NOT having all those wires in there if you don't need them. :D
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28. March 2009 @ 12:14 |
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Modular any time for me. Modular PSUs to me are the 'finished product', they're more expensive yes, but not only are they more complex in design, but also almost always quieter.
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28. March 2009 @ 14:41 |
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Originally posted by dru3692:
Once I have another MB, reinstalling the processor means that I need to remove the fan, clean the thermal compound off, and reapply, correct?
yes it does...I perfer using rubbing alcohol with a Q-tip cause it drys fast does'nt leave any residue behind on the surface...and also use it to clean my fans and heatsinks in my cases sometimes also...
Will:)
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28. March 2009 @ 14:42 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That is best practice. Unlike proper thermal paste, the thermal pad that comes pre-applied to coolers does not work at all well once the cooler has been removed. However, in the case of the Freezer 64 coolers I'm unsure. I redo it anyway, but you it may not be necessary. Any new generation Freezer owners care to shed any light on this?
If the thermal pad was not making good contact, the system would still boot, but run hot, or shut down after a certain period.
Sam,
All Arctic Cooling's coolers come with MX-2 pre-applied. It's not a Thermal pad. The only down side that I can see is that you have to be a bit careful when handling the cooler as the MX-2 never dries out and it's all too easy to get it on your hands or clothes once you've removed the plastic protective cap from the bottom of the cooler! The pre-applied MX-2 works very well, and I've never had to do one over yet. You don't even have to clean it off, if you remove and re-install the cooler. Just add a bb sized drop to the the center of the CPU, Install, use a paper towel to wipe any excess from the edges of the cooler and CPU, and it's good to go! Very good thermal paste!
Best Regards,
Russ
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28. March 2009 @ 15:01 |
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Had to go round to my brother's the other day as one of his pc's was dead. Got him to do loads of troubleshooting before i got there but the point of my post is that eventually (and as a last resort) i swapped out the graphics card (Nvidia 9200 something or other) and tried an olde worlde Matrox Millenium II card. Sure enough the pc sprung into life.
Found another graphics card to use as a replacement until he buys a new one, but the autopsy revealed that the thermal paste under the heatsink was completely and utterly dead. I have never seen thermal paste look and feel like a badly burnt crusty and cremated dinner before so it obviously died due to heatstroke. Checked the other 9200 card (he always buys things in two's) and the thermal paste was still white, still had a consistency to it, and most importantly the paste was still alive. He'll no doubt replace it with another 9200 but i'm sure he'll be checking the thermal paste this time.
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28. March 2009 @ 15:18 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Had to go round to my brother's the other day as one of his pc's was dead. Got him to do loads of troubleshooting before i got there but the point of my post is that eventually (and as a last resort) i swapped out the graphics card (Nvidia 9200 something or other) and tried an olde worlde Matrox Millenium II card. Sure enough the pc sprung into life.
Found another graphics card to use as a replacement until he buys a new one, but the autopsy revealed that the thermal paste under the heatsink was completely and utterly dead. I have never seen thermal paste look and feel like a badly burnt crusty and cremated dinner before so it obviously died due to heatstroke. Checked the other 9200 card (he always buys things in two's) and the thermal paste was still white, still had a consistency to it, and most importantly the paste was still alive. He'll no doubt replace it with another 9200 but i'm sure he'll be checking the thermal paste this time.
"Matrox Hammerheads Forever"! LOL!! Super good card for it's day, about 8-9 years ago! Mandatory for serious AutoCad users in those days! The Dell 420 Workstation came with one when I bought it.
Best Regards,
Russ
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28. March 2009 @ 18:12 |
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Stock coolers and their thermal paste, I dunno. Asus are the worst for that, some of the Maximus II Formula chipsets reached 80ºC as the stuff was faulty from the outset. Reseat, refit with Arctic and you see temps in the 40s!
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28. March 2009 @ 21:34 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Stock coolers and their thermal paste, I dunno. Asus are the worst for that, some of the Maximus II Formula chipsets reached 80ºC as the stuff was faulty from the outset. Reseat, refit with Arctic and you see temps in the 40s!
Sam,
I was meaning that if you remove an Arctic Cooler and re-install it, not stock coolers. I wouldn't trust the crap they pre-apply on those at all!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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29. March 2009 @ 11:01 |
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I was referring to Creaky's graphics incidents, not the Freezer 64.
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30. March 2009 @ 04:00 |
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30. March 2009 @ 04:31 |
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@)-man7...
Thermaltake yes..... Rosewill NO!!!!
What are your needs for this psu?? What type of case, cpu, gfx card, and so on is gonna power? Just making sure so as to find something that'll work for your needs.
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Here's more to choose from. I think most of these will do what you need. LINKY
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30. March 2009 @ 04:54 |
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She just needs a little something...well...her tower is simply a web browser, a few other programs, no GPU, one hard drive, one ODD, a floppy she doesnt use. Simply put, its a 2001 gateway 2.0ghz pentium single core. I think its original supply wasnt even pushing 200W! As I said, she doesnt need much. So the cheapest reliable PSU will do. Thats why I was looking at the 25$ Rosewill. Yes, I have read quite a few bad reviews given to rosewill. But this one seems to be doing ok. And since her tower wont ask much of it, surely it'd last 6months to a year. should be enough time to convince her to let me build her a new system LOL!
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30. March 2009 @ 07:13 |
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30. March 2009 @ 09:38 |
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GAMING COMPUTER - Intel q9550 @ 3.4ghz | EVGA GTX 260 core 216 | Gigabyte ds3l | 6gb Gskill DDR2 800 ram | Silverstone 700 watt psu | WD 640gb hdd | Seagate 300gb hdd | LG dvd burner | Samsung dvd burner | Antec p182 case | logitech 2.1 speakers | logitech g11 keyboard | Samsung 25.5in 1900x1200 monitor | 19in 1440x900 secondary monitor | Windows 7 64bit | SERVER - Gigabyte 785g motherboard | AMD Phenom 9650 | 6gb ram | three 1.5tb hdd | Seagate 1tb hdd | WD 750gb hdd | two 300gb hdd | Maxtor 200gb hdd | Ark rackmount case | CentOS 5.5
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30. March 2009 @ 09:46 |
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NICE find Krj, I've been looking for a PSU exactly like this one for a long time.
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30. March 2009 @ 11:32 |
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Yes nice find krj. :) ONE thing about that psu is you can move it to something else if you decide to build another computer any time soon. It'll handle your mom's needs and more I'm sure. ;)
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30. March 2009 @ 12:57 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
She just needs a little something...well...her tower is simply a web browser, a few other programs, no GPU, one hard drive, one ODD, a floppy she doesnt use.
sam is right the rosewill are bad the cheap 1's me myself...I perfer a Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus RS-500 for a low end cheap psu to use until affording a higher costing one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
for less than $45 dollars good strong psu and holds it's own when comes to powering a unit gotta few myself for backup units...
and by the way...I got my eyes on this boy here mushkin 550W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817812002
any input would be fine to hear from...
All and Never,Never get Coolmax like Russ saids...lol...I guess he would use it as a paper weight...he hates them psu with a passion...i just remember how feels about the units...lol
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30. March 2009 @ 13:00 |
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Nicely priced I'd agree, but an alarming number of comments about fan failure make me question the long term of these units. At this end, peak power ability is of no concern, but long term reliability is. I still stand by the Seasonic, it's ample to run that system.
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30. March 2009 @ 13:19 |
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As I said, I owned the thermaltake. Its now in my brothers system. I suppose saving about 8 dollars to buy a rosewill, isn't a good idea LOL!
Yah, the thermaltake is better than some of you may even know. I ran A LOT of equpipment to it! And it never flinched or got hot. Although there may have been one point where it didnt want another HDD on its rail. I never did determine that. It was either the board, and a 2tb threshold limit, or the PSU didnt want another device.
Yup, I think im going with the Thermaltake! I might just get a Vid card while im at it. MAYBE!
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30. March 2009 @ 13:22 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
fan failure make me question the long term of these units.
Fans can be replaced with better and longer lasting one's as I did myself in my unit with a Led 120mm at less noise then the stock one that was in it 3 pin plug in on the psu board no problems:)
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30. March 2009 @ 13:24 |
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do you guys think we should have a stickie on psu's with pros & con's with maybe approx prices?
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