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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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1. April 2009 @ 01:40 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Something to note about the Gskill modules. They seem to be ideal for Intel systems??? Are they not compatible with my system???
I would like some opinions about some Ram. Im looking into 1066 Ram. This is quite the opposite of the PSU! I want good quality RAM!
These are the ones im looking at :D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...N82E16820104073
@Kingston - Kingston has NEVER given me a problem, in about 12-16 Modules. They're the cheapest. Free shipping!
@Gskill - Ive bought them once. No problems with them. Free shipping
@Mushkin - I WANT to buy them. But is their most expensive price justified? Are they one of, if not the best? I guess ive already decided on Mushkin. But is this a wise choice? Is there better than these, WITHOUT going larger in physical parameters!!!
I had a pair of GSkill and they worked as advertised, but my 2x2GB Dominators were accidentally overclocked over 1100MHz, and I didn't even know it until I happened to look in CPUZ. They are also some of the coolest running memory I've ever seen, barely warm to the touch! I raised the CPU frequency, not realizing that the memory would overclock too! LOL!!
Russ
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1. April 2009 @ 01:57 |
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They're mighty good looking, thats for sure. But im afraid they're too big for the Freezer. And i'll be filling all four slots for a total of 8gb.
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1. April 2009 @ 03:20 |
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I wouldn't neglect to consider these either:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145215
However, for four sticks, memory without a big heatspreader will run very hot. Why are you using 8GB? I can't even fill 4GB running a 64-bit OS and maxing out games at their highest detail level.
Russ, was that your AMD build that the memory became overclocked? Not having built an AMD for a while, I was curious to know how the memory multipliers worked.
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1. April 2009 @ 03:44 |
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Im seeing a lot of bad reviews for corsair memory. I did however see their lifetime warranty in the spec! That's quite impressive. However, ive heard a lot of good things about Mushkin, and wanted to give them a shot. Sam, have you tried Mushkin before?
Oh...and one more time:
Something to note about the Gskill modules. They seem to be ideal for Intel systems??? Are they not compatible with my system???
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1. April 2009 @ 03:46 |
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I haven't, though they get a lot of good press. Where have you been seeing bad reports of Corsair? I've had 12 sticks of Corsair RAM in total, and not one has come DOA or gone bad in its life.
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1. April 2009 @ 04:03 |
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Most of the batches ive came across, ive read of DOA, ran for short time, but now im seeing EXTREMELY good reviews on say this one ---> HERE
Perhaps they're like asus, where you have to buy their more expensive stuff to get anything decent? That is a question, not an insult.
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1. April 2009 @ 04:08 |
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Nope, I've paid less than £40 for some of my stick pairs, still no problems. Likewise with their USB sticks, the £8 ones work as well as the £40 ones. Due to the cooling especially, Dominator memory is now my RAM of choice. In the minefield of dodgy brands like Crucial, Elixir and OCZ, Corsair, G-Skill and Mushkin seem to be three brands you can rely on. Some people are partial to Patriot memory, but not enough seem to buy it to get a clear idea of whether it's any good or not.
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1. April 2009 @ 04:11 |
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Ok. I guess they're also a name to hold in high regard then :)
Now, this. What does this mean. In the "Features" Section about all the Intel Chipsets. Will these modules not work on an AMD board???
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1. April 2009 @ 04:13 |
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They will, but AMD boards don't have memory controllers like Intels do, they're in the CPU instead. You can't, however, use PC8500 with basic AMD chips like the X2 LEs. The Kuma X2s, Phenoms and Phenom IIs are fine with them though.
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1. April 2009 @ 04:20 |
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Ahhh! Thanks for the lesson there :) I was unaware of that. Though ive never built an intel. One day, One day!
And the reason the 8Gigs is because, I like to plan ahead, plus I LOVE to experiment. Twice the money on Ram isnt TOO extreme LOL. Now 16Gb would be extreme LOL!
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1. April 2009 @ 07:41 |
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now this is some fanboyism coming from me(if you call it that cause i like something cause it works great without any problems) go with the Mushkin. you have a gigabyte board a kinda top quality board at that. in my opinion and from what i have seen and used the mushkin mem runs great on gigabyte boards.. i know its not logical it my reasons but just from my own experience ive had crucial,corsair and now the mushkin mem and the mushkin has preformed the best. im have the ddr2 800 (pc6400)i can run them and am right now at 1066 with just bumping the volts up to the 2.1v(which i should have done last week when i had my little problem..lol)
as Sam stated and has others the dominators are a good set of mem sticks and preform well,and like sam i myself havent seen to many if any bad things about them. heck $63 for 4gb of ram is a nice price.when i had my dominators i paid $88 for just 2gb. and that wasnt even a year ago maybe 8 months back.
now thats just my 2c worth. now you said your going to run 8gb are you buying 2 sets or mixing them with another 4gb set?
so has anyone else gotten hit with the conficker virus today?
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1. April 2009 @ 08:53 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I wouldn't neglect to consider these either:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145215
However, for four sticks, memory without a big heatspreader will run very hot. Why are you using 8GB? I can't even fill 4GB running a 64-bit OS and maxing out games at their highest detail level.
Russ, was that your AMD build that the memory became overclocked? Not having built an AMD for a while, I was curious to know how the memory multipliers worked.
I am currently running with 4 sticks in my computer and have had no trouble with heat at all. I have a 2x2gb and a 1x2gb gskill kits running at ddr2 800 and are barely warm to the touch. I dont think going for 8gb is crazy. I would like to upgrade to that myself. I have used over 4gb while playing games and running a few things in the background. If you want 8gb I say go for it. right now memory is so cheap it doesn't matter that much.
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1. April 2009 @ 12:21 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I wouldn't neglect to consider these either:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145215
However, for four sticks, memory without a big heatspreader will run very hot. Why are you using 8GB? I can't even fill 4GB running a 64-bit OS and maxing out games at their highest detail level.
Russ, was that your AMD build that the memory became overclocked? Not having built an AMD for a while, I was curious to know how the memory multipliers worked.
Sam,
Yes it was, much to my surprise. When you plug in an AM2+ CPU, it displays a different set of multipliers which as near as I can figure will let the memory run at 1066 from stock 2.70GHz to 3.2GHz. The multipliers are a little different than what we are used to as well. 2.00, 2.66, 3.33, 4.00 and 5.33, which I guess covers the various Ram speeds, 400, 533, 666, 800 and 1066. It certainly has a much higher memory bandwidth than previous AMDs had.
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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1. April 2009 @ 12:59 |
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Sounds almost identical to Intel boards, but with a 5.33x added as all the CPUs are 200FSB.
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1. April 2009 @ 13:38 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
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now you said your going to run 8gb are you buying 2 sets or mixing them with another 4gb set?
Im just gonna double up the order. Just because there not in the same batch, doesnt mean they wont perform identically, Right? Im sure if there is a difference, it would be minimal! If mushkin is as good as I hear, im sure there wont be a problem :)
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1. April 2009 @ 13:56 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Sounds almost identical to Intel boards, but with a 5.33x added as all the CPUs are 200FSB.
Sam,
I guess what it all means is you don't have to overclock to get the 1066 memory speed! Some of the latest AMD motherboards support 1200MHz Ram via overclock.
Russ
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1. April 2009 @ 17:07 |
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Yeah, precisely. It's not an issue for Intels as PC8500 with the bare basic 200FSB CPUs is wholly unnecessary, but since all AMDs (I think) use 200FSB, obviously it was a feature they had to implement, and it's handy that they did.
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1. April 2009 @ 20:35 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yeah, precisely. It's not an issue for Intels as PC8500 with the bare basic 200FSB CPUs is wholly unnecessary, but since all AMDs (I think) use 200FSB, obviously it was a feature they had to implement, and it's handy that they did.
Sam,
I think that's one of the best things about having an un-locked CPU multiplier. Just raise the multi and leave the CPU speed alone. The multiplier won't increase the CPU speed until after you pass 16x. When the CPU frequency goes up, so does the memory speed after 16x on the CPU multi! I just set the HT multi to 9 and it gives me an effective FSB of just over 1800MHz, regardless of the CPU multi setting. It has a very un-AMD like memory bandwidth too. Over 6,100MB/s. Once I replace this crazy motherboard, it should all be good!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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2. April 2009 @ 06:58 |
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Thing is though, unlike Intels, the unlocked multiplier is a little bit of a cheat, because as far as I can see it only goes up to 16x, which if you buy the most expensive chips, they're already at 16x anyway. Buy an Extreme Quad (Granted, the price difference is astronomical, but nonetheless they exist) and I've seen the multiplier raised to 11x, and 11x 333, or even 400FSB is a force to be reckoned with.
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2. April 2009 @ 10:17 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Thing is though, unlike Intels, the unlocked multiplier is a little bit of a cheat, because as far as I can see it only goes up to 16x, which if you buy the most expensive chips, they're already at 16x anyway. Buy an Extreme Quad (Granted, the price difference is astronomical, but nonetheless they exist) and I've seen the multiplier raised to 11x, and 11x 333, or even 400FSB is a force to be reckoned with.
Sam,
I'm not sure where you are getting your incorrect information about the multipliers, but you can raise it a hell of a lot higher than 16x, with an AM2+ CPU Mine goes more than triple 16x as it goes all the way to 47x which would be 9.4GHz! LOL!! You don't even have to touch the CPU frequency. Not that it would ever run at that speed, but I have seen the Kuma overclocked to 3.8GHz, using just the 19x multi. I don't see that in anyway being a "cheat"! As near as I can see it's much more flexible because you can adjust the CPU Multiplier, the HT multiplier, the HT link speed, the HT Reference frequency, and there's still the CPU Frequency, with various voltage adjustments and Skew controls to help you.
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. April 2009 @ 10:19 |
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47x is certainly impressive (and also wholly unnecessary) but if the memory speed is getting raised beyond that point, it clearly isn't just a CPU multiplier adjustment, it's doing something else. The highest true multiplier setting still seems to be 16x.
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2. April 2009 @ 19:25 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
47x is certainly impressive (and also wholly unnecessary) but if the memory speed is getting raised beyond that point, it clearly isn't just a CPU multiplier adjustment, it's doing something else. The highest true multiplier setting still seems to be 16x.
Sam,
No, it was my bad on the memory speed. I completely forgot that I had raised the CPU frequency a little, which affects the memory speed. If you crank the Multi to 47x, the memory stays at 1066. While I agree that 47x would be totally unnecessary, who knows whether we may have CPUs in the next year or so that run much faster than the ones do today. Given the leap in performance in the last couple of years, nothing would surprise me! LOL!!
Russ
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3. April 2009 @ 02:09 |
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3. April 2009 @ 02:25 |
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I have the FALS WD 1TB drive. Ive not had any trouble with it. Infact, its almost as fast as the VelociRaptor!!! Ive heard bad things about ALL seagate drives. They MAY be going down hill. Just my thoughts on it though. If I'm mistaken I apologize! I believe its due to FirmWare trouble on the seagates.
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3. April 2009 @ 07:36 |
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Fair enough, that is very impressive, though I suppose, without a memory controller on the chipset, there wouldn't necessarily be such a demand on it for FSB anyway, the limit would be the CPU itself, or its voltage.
Rick: WD every time. If you buy the Green drives (10EACS, 10EAVS, 10EADS), they're cheaper, quieter, more energy efficient and more reliable, though slower. If you buy the Black drive (1001FALS) you lose a lot of the quietness (but not all of it, they're still better than Seagates in that regard), but gain a lot of performance.
The firmware trouble only affects 7200.12s but it's enough to stop me recommending them as it's a serious issue. On top of that Seagates use the most power, run the hottest and also make the most noise.
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