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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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30. March 2009 @ 13:28 |
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I'd love one. I've been going for this idea for a while.
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30. March 2009 @ 13:28 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
do you guys think we should have a stickie on psu's with pros & con's with maybe approx prices?
Might be a good idea as we go off on tangents enough to warrant such a thread. :)
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30. March 2009 @ 13:32 |
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Sounds like a plan, even i'd subscribe to it, the only things i can't stomach are graphic card discussions :)
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30. March 2009 @ 13:38 |
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30. March 2009 @ 13:48 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Sounds like a plan, even i'd subscribe to it, the only things i can't stomach are graphic card discussions :)
HERE HERE!!! I'm with creaky as usual. :)
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ddp... PSU's only... got it buddy... I think I can adhere to that. :)
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30. March 2009 @ 17:15 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Well...my mothers in the market for a CHEAP PSU! Any thoughts on these PSU's much appreciated! She REALLY doesn't wanna spend more than 40$ soo...
her current supply works, it simply produces a VERY obnoxious sound! Ive replaced a fan in it once, and am not in the mood to tangle with it again. She doesnt need much, she runs a VERY basic setup. I think 300W would be PLENTY! I believe the Thermaltake is my old supply. It was quite the survivor for what I was running!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182006
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...7153023
Oman7,
This is what I replaced the 460w that came with my Cooler Master Centurion case. Very solid PSU, and you can't get anything better for the price. Dual rail and very solid voltages. I'm going to start using them for customer builds. Very Quiet, unlike previous Cooler Masters! Highly recommended!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
Best Regards,
Russ
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30. March 2009 @ 17:20 |
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Originally posted by Me:
Nicely priced I'd agree, but an alarming number of comments about fan failure make me question the long term of these units. At this end, peak power ability is of no concern, but long term reliability is. I still stand by the Seasonic, it's ample to run that system.
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30. March 2009 @ 18:05 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by Me:
Nicely priced I'd agree, but an alarming number of comments about fan failure make me question the long term of these units. At this end, peak power ability is of no concern, but long term reliability is. I still stand by the Seasonic, it's ample to run that system.
Sam,
Yes, I read the comments. Some of them didn't even apply to this PSU! Others mentioned heat causing fan failure. Sure if you try to suck all the hot air away from the CPU cooler through the PSU! IMO, they need to get their case ventilation right to begin with and they wouldn't be having those problems! Mine barely gets warm, and even playing games, it's never noisy at all! The air temperature out the back of the PSU is all of 29C, and it's been on for hours, as I've been doing some more stress tests I don't expect to be replacing it or the fan, anytime soon! LOL!! I also believe most of the reviews I read pertained to the older design, as some mentioned "fans" (the old design had 2 80mm) and the 460 and the 500w units are a brand new design with a single 120mm fan. It's also a much better PSU than the one omegaman7's looking to replace!
Best Regards,
Russ
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30. March 2009 @ 18:12 |
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The one im replacing is a 450W x-power! LOL. New egg doesnt carry them. What does that tell you! She had the local computer store replace it a few years back. Before I had moved back to my current residence. Had I been here, I would have fixed it for her! I had to slap it 5 times yesterday to get it to shut up LOL!
There is a PSU thread now. We should continue discussion there
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/761115
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30. March 2009 @ 18:13 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Oman7,
This is what I replaced the 460w that came with my Cooler Master Centurion case. Very solid PSU, and you can't get anything better for the price. Dual rail and very solid voltages. I'm going to start using them for customer builds. Very Quiet, unlike previous Cooler Masters! Highly recommended!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
Best Regards,
Russ
hey Russ I'm glad to see we recommended and like the same psu's in are customers builds...only thing that I don't like is the fan it comes with...I replaced mine with a less noise one instead just think trying to put a Fan control switch on your psu fan some psu's don't get hot as others do is the board in the psu made of the same material as a Motherboard? Good Question!!!
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30. March 2009 @ 18:24 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
The one im replacing is a 450W x-power! LOL. New egg doesnt carry them. What does that tell you! She had the local computer store replace it a few years back. Before I had moved back to my current residence. Had I been here, I would have fixed it for her! I had to slap it 5 times yesterday to get it to shut up LOL!
There is a PSU thread now. We should continue discussion there
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/761115
My answer was to Sam, because he was the one that made the statement I answered. I did mention that it was for you though! LOL!!
I stand by what I said, it's a decent quality, better than average PSU, that runs cool and quiet and delivers solid nominal voltages. 500w may seem like overkill but for $39.99, you can't beat it with a stick! After looking over the design, I'm pleased with the quality I find inside, where it counts!
Russ
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30. March 2009 @ 18:36 |
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I won't say any more on the matter as we have a proper PSU, but the reason it's $40 is because if it's anywhere near stable at 500W load, I'll eat my pants. It's built from the ground up as a 400W unit. It has 9 peripheral connectors versus the 12 on the Corsair 400W, and has a maximum loading of 18A per rail, 30A total, versus 17A per rail and 27A on the Seasonic 350W (Earthwatts 380W) units. The Corsair 400W has 30A on a single rail guaranteed.
Contrary to most reviews, the fan failure people don't necessarily come across as idiots, rather people with a genuine problem. Popular it may be, but as a long-term reliable PSU, I'm voting against it.
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30. March 2009 @ 19:01 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Oman7,
This is what I replaced the 460w that came with my Cooler Master Centurion case. Very solid PSU, and you can't get anything better for the price. Dual rail and very solid voltages. I'm going to start using them for customer builds. Very Quiet, unlike previous Cooler Masters! Highly recommended!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
Best Regards,
Russ
hey Russ I'm glad to see we recommended and like the same psu's in are customers builds...only thing that I don't like is the fan it comes with...I replaced mine with a less noise one instead just think trying to put a Fan control switch on your psu fan some psu's don't get hot as others do is the board in the psu made of the same material as a Motherboard? Good Question!!!
Will,
I'm not an Electronic Design Engineer, but I could easily be one, and I certainly know a good design when I see one. They are very good quality, solid PSUs. As far as the PC board goes, no it's not the same. Most motherboards have 4 or more layers these days, while the PSU has a board just as thick, but only a single layer of traces! I'm surprised about the fan noise as mine is near silent. That would lead me to believe that it's getting too warm.
I've stress tested my computer for hours on end and you never hear the PSU! You need strong airflow out the back of the case, or too much heat gets sucked into the PSU, which makes the fan run faster because the excess heat raises the PSU temp! It's been my finding that you need a good 50+ CFM rear fan to pull the warm air away from the CPU cooler, to prevent that from happening!
BTW, going to the Post Office in the morning. Russell is out of town, so my friend Frank, is going to take me in the morning!
Best Regards,
Russ
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30. March 2009 @ 20:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I won't say any more on the matter as we have a proper PSU, but the reason it's $40 is because if it's anywhere near stable at 500W load, I'll eat my pants. It's built from the ground up as a 400W unit. It has 9 peripheral connectors versus the 12 on the Corsair 400W, and has a maximum loading of 18A per rail, 30A total, versus 17A per rail and 27A on the Seasonic 350W (Earthwatts 380W) units. The Corsair 400W has 30A on a single rail guaranteed.
Contrary to most reviews, the fan failure people don't necessarily come across as idiots, rather people with a genuine problem. Popular it may be, but as a long-term reliable PSU, I'm voting against it.
I didn't say that they come across as idiots, but the #1 cause of PSU overheating is a low CFM rear fan, and a few of the complaints weren't even talking about this specific model, they were talking about the old model with two fans, which I agree was far from ideal! For a low power computer like Oman7's Mother's, it's a pretty good choice for the money! I doesn't suit every need, but in this case, it's more than adequate for the job intended! Time will tell just how durable they are! So far I see no reason that it's going to give me problems with mine down the road. I'm confident enough in the design that I plan on using them for all my stock customer builds. 18A per rail is more than adequate as is the 25A for the 5v rail for any stock speed computer that isn't using a high power video card. In fact it's overkill! As far as the extra connectors, what are you going to need them for in a machine like that? It's just excess baggage that will never be used anyway!
Russ
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30. March 2009 @ 20:35 |
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The only thing I've ever known to cause a PSU fan to speed up is having a Freezer 7 mounted so it blows into the cooler. That seems obvious, and while I can see a low speed rear fan causing issues, I had my rear fan as low as 500rpm and that doesn't change the speed of my Zalman or Corsair PSUs. The only ones to respond were those with aggressive fan controllers, i.e. the Hiper and Thermaltake.
Time will indeed tell if the units are up to the job, but realistically, you're installing a $40 unit with a question mark on it over a $38 unit that's proven to be reliable and powerful. What's in it for you with the risk? The only downside is that the Seasonic 300W doesn't have a PCIe 6-pin, but since you rarely advocate anything more powerful than a 9500GT (and you can go even further without a 6-pin, an HD4670 doesn't need one and that competes with the 9600GT which does) I don't see that as an issue. The Seasonic units go even further to do away with extra connectors at the bottom end.
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30. March 2009 @ 20:56 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The only thing I've ever known to cause a PSU fan to speed up is having a Freezer 7 mounted so it blows into the cooler. That seems obvious, and while I can see a low speed rear fan causing issues, I had my rear fan as low as 500rpm and that doesn't change the speed of my Zalman or Corsair PSUs. The only ones to respond were those with aggressive fan controllers, i.e. the Hiper and Thermaltake.
Time will indeed tell if the units are up to the job, but realistically, you're installing a $40 unit with a question mark on it over a $38 unit that's proven to be reliable and powerful. What's in it for you with the risk? The only downside is that the Seasonic 300W doesn't have a PCIe 6-pin, but since you rarely advocate anything more powerful than a 9500GT (and you can go even further without a 6-pin, an HD4670 doesn't need one and that competes with the 9600GT which does) I don't see that as an issue. The Seasonic units go even further to do away with extra connectors at the bottom end.
I have plans to put that nice MSI 4850 in mine, and I have no plans to change the PSU. I've taken the CM apart and I'm satisfied with the construction and the choice of components used, including the fan. Like I said, time will tell! Hey, somebodies got to test this stuff, otherwise we'll never know for sure, will we! LOL!!
Russ
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30. March 2009 @ 23:05 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
That is best practice. Unlike proper thermal paste, the thermal pad that comes pre-applied to coolers does not work at all well once the cooler has been removed. However, in the case of the Freezer 64 coolers I'm unsure. I redo it anyway, but you it may not be necessary. Any new generation Freezer owners care to shed any light on this?
If the thermal pad was not making good contact, the system would still boot, but run hot, or shut down after a certain period.
Sam,
All Arctic Cooling's coolers come with MX-2 pre-applied. It's not a Thermal pad. The only down side that I can see is that you have to be a bit careful when handling the cooler as the MX-2 never dries out and it's all too easy to get it on your hands or clothes once you've removed the plastic protective cap from the bottom of the cooler! The pre-applied MX-2 works very well, and I've never had to do one over yet. You don't even have to clean it off, if you remove and re-install the cooler. Just add a bb sized drop to the the center of the CPU, Install, use a paper towel to wipe any excess from the edges of the cooler and CPU, and it's good to go! Very good thermal paste!
Best Regards,
Russ
Is the artic silver 5 any good?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P 790X, PHENOM II X3 720 B.E. AM3 2.8GHZ, ARCTIC FREEZER 64 PRO CPU COOLER, POWERCOLOR AX3650 512MD2, ROSEWILL R5604-BK CASE, DUAL 20" HANNSPREE H207
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30. March 2009 @ 23:19 |
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yes AS5 is good stuff. ;) I've used it many times and NOT a problem with cooling or anything else. :)
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31. March 2009 @ 03:05 |
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31. March 2009 @ 03:11 |
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150GB Velociraptor Performance Test
Heres a little update. Ive noticed, as im sure most have, that HDD's require exercise for viable, legitimate transfer speeds. What I mean is, You dont hook a brand new HDD up and expect it to perform top notch at the get go! Now that the drive has been running for almost 4Days with little breaks, LOL! NOW, we can see what my base score is gonna be. However, I will continue to monitor it. Ive had a seagate drive fail me. I watched it steadily decline over a 2 week period. QUITE disappointed! Though WD has never failed me yet! This is also for anyone considering getting this BADBOY HDD! LOL!
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31. March 2009 @ 04:33 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
Here's the best deal on PSU
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V Power Supply - Retail
$40.99 ($28.99 after $12.00 Mail-In
Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
Revues look good 4 this
The best deal right now is this Thermaltake.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153028
I know I owed two of them, and still have one in Oxi, the other went with the E6750. It's all I've used for my customer builds for over 2 years! I've sold about 75 of them in the last 2 years, and not had a single failure. Had I not been impatient and bought the Cooler Master, I would be ordering one for myself right now! Better than anything else available for that price, at the moment! $39.99 after $30 MIR. Much quieter and cooler than the 430! A definite best buy!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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31. March 2009 @ 04:48 |
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Never have been to keen on M.I.R.!!! Seems like people always get stiffed! Such a shame that newegg doesnt take on that task for us :0 LOL...what...in a perfect world they would :D
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31. March 2009 @ 05:35 |
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Oman7,
Don't be selling Newegg so short! Corsair claimed that they never got my MIR for the Dominators, and without the UPC code, there was nothing they could do. I called Newegg and they took care of it! I got my $40! I didn't have to beg either!
Russ
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31. March 2009 @ 05:37 |
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Ok, I guess I cant say anything, since ive never actually had to deal with it :) Newegg is AWESOME
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