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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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9. April 2009 @ 17:58 |
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Sophocles,
I would like to clear something up
I don't know where that model 430w Thermaltake came from, because I've never owned one or ever seen one. The model I have in Oxi is a W0093RU 500w PSU. I also had one in my E6750 that I've been using ever since the cheapie Powmax Black Chrome failed in my Pentium D-940. I've also used a number of them for Customer Builds, and to date, not one single failure of any kind! It has a 5 year warranty!
Thermaltake W0093RU 500W ATX 12V 2.0 Version Passive PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153028
The CoolerMaster I'm now using is the 500w unit listed below. It has two 18A rails on the +12v, 25A on the +5v and 22A on the +3.3v, and the voltage regulation is superb, an area that CoolerMaster has been noted for being deficient in, in the past. It runs very cool and extremely quiet. I've taken it apart and looked over the design and quality of the components used in it's construction, and I'm more than impressed with the quality I see inside it. I was equally impressed with the inner workings of the RS-460-PCAR-A3 460w PSU that came with my RC-534-KKRB Centurion case, which I sold to a friend and replaced in my rig with the one below.
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-500-PCAR-A3 500W ATX12V V2.3 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
Both PSU's are well made, from better than average components and work quite well. When the thermaltake W0093RU is on sale for $39.99, it's a good buy if it suits your needs. When it's not on sale, there are better ones available that offer more for the same money! At $49.99, the CoolerMaster is a decent buy. At it's $39.99 sale price, I consider it an outstanding buy, again, if it suits the needs of your build or current rig. It's currently my PSU of choice for my Customer builds. The warranty is only 2 years, but since it's available almost all the time for $39.99 it's still an outstanding buy!
BTW! If I haven't thanked you for the compliment on my choice of case, Thank You! I've found it to be an extremely good case with a lot of features that many more expensive cases don't offer. The tooless part works quite well, although I still prefer to secure my video card the conventional way. I just feel that it eliminates any possible strain on the PCI-E slot. The front panel wiring is also top notch, with color coded dedicated plugs for the USB, 1394 F/W and the front audio. No more fighting a war with all those 1 wire square plugs on the ends of the case wiring. If someone can't wire the front panel using this case in less than a minute or so, perhaps they ought not be building a computer in the first place! LOL!! The case itself is attractive. In fact even more so since I added the Kama Bay fan, which compliments the already good looks perfectly. It's well made and well thought out, and for the sale price of $79.99, complete with a Decent quality 460w PSU, it's a very smart buy!
Best Regards,
Russ
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9. April 2009 @ 18:10 |
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The 430W unit was suggested by someone else, not you, but I'm pretty sure you picked up on it somewhere down the line.
What you haven't spotted about the 12V rails on your favourite PSUs is the TOTAL 12V limit. With lower end PSUs the rails are only usually limited independently, not in total as well. You tend to see that with 4+ rail PSUs like higher end ones. Ultimately, the 12V rail total for a PSU should add up to at least 80% of its maximum output, preferably near 100. That way it will deliver the goods no matter how imbalanced the system.
You'll notice the Thermaltake has very weak rails, 14A and 15A, totalling only 348W on the 12V. The coolermaster may have 18+18, but overall is limited to 30A or 360W. Too low for it to be a 500W PSU.
Taking a look at some genuine PSUs, even the Corsair VX 450W is limited to 396W, 3 amps above the coolermaster and 4 above the Thermaltake. There's also no worry about maxing the weak 14A primary on the Thermaltake. The HX 520W is even more powerful at 18+18+18, total 40A. Almost the same total wattage figure, yet 35% more powerful on the 12V rail. This unit can definitely do 500W, I pushed it almost that far myself.
How about Seasonic? They do a nice cheap $65 500W unit. 17+17, and no overall limit, 34 amps, or 408W on tap. Plenty of power there as well.
Short answer, neither of those PSUs are as powerful as they say they are, and won't do what they say they will. That, as anyone can guess with PSUs, is a bad sign. With the pile of turd that is the budget PSU market, better than average components is frankly not even good enough, they have to be exemplary. I trust Seasonic, Corsair, Silverstone, Zalman and Antec (Seasonic OEMs) to do that. I do not trust Tt and CM to do it, as it is well known they do not build components to the same standard as other manufacturers. That's even evident with their cases. You can do a hell of a lot worse than a Coolermaster or Thermaltake case, but ultimately, they aren't made with high grade materials, I can bend the side panel of my HAF with pliers like it was butter, and had to in order for it to fit. The case is nice and all, but you get what you pay for, CM and Tt stuff (excluding perhaps the Cosmos and Stacker series) is cheap for a reason.
Front panel wiring hasn't been done in single connectors for years, every case I've even seen, less built in has used blocks for years.
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9. April 2009 @ 18:12 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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That's a Thermaltake 16dB.
Now how is Thermaltake's db any different than anyone other manufacturer's. Even if the point of measure was different it would only vary by about plus or minus 3db. When I purchased the unit 3 years ago I read more than one review that gave it a silent rating, but if that's not enough then you can take my word for it. This unit is very quiet.
In regards to discussing Russ' Power Supply. I would never buy it because it is a very inefficient unit and it would die on any one of my systems, but it is probably OK for Russ. The X2 7750 isn't nearly as power hungry as you make it. In my analogy I was suggesting that it would run an HD 4850 and I stand by that, although Russ would never purchase a video card of that high standard.
Image below is from an Extreme overclocking review (very trusted site in my view), and they have an entire system built on it maxed out to 207 watts with an HD 4850. I will also confess that I knew that before I did the analogy just see your response, and it was as I expected. Now even a crappy power supply like Russ' (sorry Russ but it is rather chintzy) can comfortably run it. But wait stop there's more! The day Russ purchases a video card the quality of of an HD 4850 hell will actually freeze over. Russ is unlikely to upgrade his system much and he is more likely to get a lower end Nvidia card since that's usually his video card preference. The 9600GT 512Mb which you seem to be found of recommending under load only uses 61W which is a further power reduction of 49W. His system will do it. Now let me ask you a question. How likely is it that Russ will even purchase a card to the quality of the 9600GT?
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/revie..._2.html
Sophocles,
Funny you should mention that particular model video card, as my AMD was planed from the start, with this card in mind.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127401
I had planned to upgrade the PSU to the 500w W0093RU when I bought it. Now I already have the CoolerMaster 500w, so I'm ready for the MSI! Thank you for validating my exact thoughts on the power required to do the job!
Best Regards,
Russ
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9. April 2009 @ 18:15 |
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I'd recommend you try and hook that fan up to a controller, perhaps you can mod in another one on your FM121 bracket. Perma-Full speed graphics cards aren't nice unless they use quiet fans. It doesn't look like that's the case with this MSI.
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9. April 2009 @ 18:38 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I'd recommend you try and hook that fan up to a controller, perhaps you can mod in another one on your FM121 bracket. Perma-Full speed graphics cards aren't nice unless they use quiet fans. It doesn't look like that's the case with this MSI.
Sam,
I'm well aware of the fan noise, and plan to change the fan to one of these.
Evercool
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119040
StarTech
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835230008
A 70mm fan screws right into the same holes as the fan that comes on the card. If you want to get fancy, you can even add a proper range thermister, and it will adjust the speed itself. I've already done two of these, 1 with each fan listed, and so far I think the Evercool is quieter and does a better job than the StarTech!
Russ
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9. April 2009 @ 18:56 |
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is everybody finished pissing each other off!!
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9. April 2009 @ 19:25 |
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don't know where that model 430w Thermaltake came from, because I've never owned one or ever seen one.
Hey don't blame me I was just following Sam's lead.
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The CoolerMaster I'm now using is the 500w unit listed below. It has two 18A rails on the +12v
Hmm, two 18A Rails would require at least 432 watts of power but the coolermaster only has 360W across both 18A rails which means they are actually two 15A rails, but more than enough for your needs.
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is everybody finished pissing each other off!!
I was never pissed off at anyone. I just figured I'd side track Russ and Sam to put an end to the tussle. I'd say that it worked quite well. Before long they'll both get warm and fuzzy and then start tossing each other cyber kisses before consummating their relationship by powering up a perfect power supply agreement.;>)
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9. April 2009 @ 19:31 |
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Nice idea, I never considered that actually (the 70mm fan not the kiss and make up haha).
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9. April 2009 @ 19:41 |
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Sophocles, knew you & gm weren't but more directed at 2 individuals without saying their name.
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10. April 2009 @ 00:04 |
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sorta a new build:
C2Q Q9650 (coming in next week)
DFI x48 mobo (a week old)
everything else is old...
500 in raid 0
and another 500 as a backup
4gigs ddr2 ram
coolermaster mystique 632s case
zalman cnps 9700 cpu cooler
geforce 8800gts gpu (i dont game anymore)
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10. April 2009 @ 05:25 |
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How much did you pay for your Q9650? They're so cheap now I almost wish I'd waited.
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10. April 2009 @ 05:31 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
How much did you pay for your Q9650? They're so cheap now I almost wish I'd waited.
$135 + tax (free shipping from intel)
they still need to ship out and they are really slow with shipping stuff out so i will probably get it in 1-2 weeks, but nonetheless a good deal
how much did you get yours for?
-im1992
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10. April 2009 @ 05:34 |
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$135 for a Q9650? Please tell me you're joking. They're £270 here ($390, $340 pre-tax) but used to be £400.
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10. April 2009 @ 07:58 |
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10. April 2009 @ 09:50 |
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wow i miss alot when im working..lol
yea i want a $135 Q9650 as well.
ok uys i talked to gigabyte yesterday. they have shipped me a new GA-EP45-DS3R. the southbridge was shot on my board and they think it might have been from the time i bought it.. they tested the one they sent me out yesterday, all is well with it. i should have it by wednesday.... so maybe with any luck i can squeeze out the Q9550 to put on it.....
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10. April 2009 @ 11:01 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
wow i miss alot when im working..lol
yea i want a $135 Q9650 as well.
ok uys i talked to gigabyte yesterday. they have shipped me a new GA-EP45-DS3R. the southbridge was shot on my board and they think it might have been from the time i bought it.. they tested the one they sent me out yesterday, all is well with it. i should have it by wednesday.... so maybe with any luck i can squeeze out the Q9550 to put on it.....
That's GREAT Robert... I can't wait to see how you fair with a "good" mobo. ;) If something silly doesn't happen I think that I've made a deal for a Q6700. I know it's NO Q9550 (Q9650) but it's a Quad none the less and what I wanted a while back. :)
Good luck to all with their purchases especially im!! :D
...gm
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10. April 2009 @ 11:05 |
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10. April 2009 @ 13:20 |
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im1992 mentioned in another thread that he buys direct from intel, and at that price I would get one too lol.
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10. April 2009 @ 13:56 |
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Hey, a quick OT question! Anyone heard from Abuzar lately? It's like he dropped off the planet! I usually pass on Jokes and things like that, and he usually responds, but I haven't heard from him in quite a while!
Russ
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10. April 2009 @ 14:25 |
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im1992 mentioned in another thread that he buys direct from intel, and at that price I would get one too lol.
I was merely suggesting the possibility of an error and wanted to express caution. I suspect that $135 for a Q9550 is probably below wholesale prices, but if he can get it for that then great.
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10. April 2009 @ 15:15 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
im1992
Where did you purchase a Q9650 for $135? Please leave a link.
I would also suggest that you recheck that order to insure that you accidentally didn't order an AMD Phenom 9650 which is priced about $130-$135 depending on where you ordered from.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...9103288
on no, no mistake hehe
intel
you have to find someone who works for intel.....
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10. April 2009 @ 18:00 |
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Haha that's a good point, I hadn't eve considered the Phenoms, seems much more likely.
Russ: I chat to Abuzar on msn often. He's still about but he doesn't post here often, I think he seems quite conscious of not becoming too attached to the 'geek' crowd. IMO it's something never to be ashamed of, but hey, each to their own. I'll ask him to pop by if he doesn't mind.
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10. April 2009 @ 18:24 |
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Geek crowd huh! LOL! Better to belong, than not to belong. Thats what I say. Besides, im learning WAY TOO much to just toss this site aside! LOL! And when I can contribute, I feel good about that too. :D
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10. April 2009 @ 19:07 |
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at 51 i'm not to worried if someone thinks i'm a geek lol
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10. April 2009 @ 19:58 |
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well id say the most of us that post here often with the ADA title are pretty much geeks to a extent....lol
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