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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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27. July 2008 @ 15:45 |
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Wow, they must have much more contact area than the standard XMS2 spreader then... my RAM's currently idling at 55ºC, in an ambient case temperature of 35ºC.
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27. July 2008 @ 15:48 |
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Sophocles,
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http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/
The link doesn't work!
Russ
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27. July 2008 @ 15:52 |
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Nope, no luck here either.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:01 |
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sammorris,
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my RAM's currently idling at 55ºC, in an ambient case temperature of 35ºC.
My Dominators are idling at 35-36C. Ambient is 28C! I used the thermal probe on both as my MB doesn't have sensors for the memory temp. Like I said, they are barely warm at 1056MHz!
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Russ
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27. July 2008 @ 16:03 |
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I use a thermal probe for mine too. It seems right though, the sticks are scalding to the touch. Suppose because there's four of them stuck in there.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:12 |
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yes Bigwill the Antec 1200 in a monster
Monsters are good or more than half my DVD collection is faulty.:D
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27. July 2008 @ 16:15 |
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The link doesn't work!
I haven't been able to connect all day.
Just because you can't feel heat on your heat spreader doesn't mean that things aren't hot. I'm just passing on advice given by "the RAM guy, and the personal experience of loosing to modules over the last two years.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:19 |
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I asked about this on another forum (i found out by receiving my new front panel with working temperature sensors, so it was on their site) and they said RAM running 60 degrees or so is more than acceptable.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:24 |
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I asked about this on another forum (i found out by receiving my new front panel with working temperature sensors, so it was on their site) and they said RAM running 60 degrees or so is more than acceptable.
Sometimes sensors aren't always right, but I'm not really debating temperatures. My point is if you purchase RAM that comes with heat sinks and fans then use them. The Prime Directive of overclocking is that better temperatures are always better. Why take a chance try and find out the hard way if you already have the hardware?
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27. July 2008 @ 16:26 |
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Quite agree, However, my temperature sensor, if not right is close, and given that, the RAM must have been running at that temperature for months, so far with no incident.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:33 |
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Quite agree, However, my temperature sensor, if not right is close, and given that, the RAM must have been running at that temperature for months, so far with no incident.
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That sounds good but when my modules went bad each had been running for more than a year. These were not mediocre Corsair modules either, they were the pro versions that were available (One even had the pretty LEDs)just before corsair released their Dominator series. Of the two pairs of memory discussed both were Corsair, both ran at the same speed, but one included the heat sink and fan at no extra cost. Installing the heat sink and fan took me about five minutes since not tools are required, because it used thumb screws. Now why not use them if cooler is always better?
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27. July 2008 @ 16:35 |
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As it happens, a forum member who doesn't post much spoke to me on msn and we discovered one of his sticks of RAM has failed, that's decent corsair stuff, and it's in one of the coolest cases out there, the Antec 900 (i mean ventilation, not kudos.. hehe), so memory can just go bad at random, even proper stuff.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:37 |
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one of his sticks of RAM has failed, that's decent corsair stuff, and it's in one of the coolest cases out there, the Antec 900 (i mean ventilation, not kudos.. hehe), so memory can just go bad at random, even proper stuff.
Agreed! But is it just as, or more likely to happen when it's running considerably cooler?
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27. July 2008 @ 16:39 |
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With RAM I'm not sure. There will certainly be a point at which it will have a shorter lifespan but where would that be? After all my Asus HD3870 ran at around 60-61C full load in my PC, so you'd think if something happened to it that made it run 20 degrees hotter it'd be bad, yet my X1900XT ran at 91-92C full load quite happily for over 18 months...
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27. July 2008 @ 16:47 |
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With RAM I'm not sure. There will certainly be a point at which it will have a shorter lifespan but where would that be? After all my Asus HD3870 ran at around 60-61C full load in my PC, so you'd think if something happened to it that made it run 20 degrees hotter it'd be bad, yet my X1900XT ran at 91-92C full load quite happily for over 18 months...
An interesting analogy but RAM in a graphics card is not the same as that used in a system. I think they use the if it won't burn the GPU measure than the RAM is probably OK. Different chips can handle different temperatures as I stated earlier when review the Netburst designs, but that's again not the point. Why would you have something that could be beneficial and not use it??? Heat will eventually kill any chip even used at default, but we know that the cooler it runs the greater the longevity that it is likely to have, and that's carved in stone.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:51 |
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I wasn't actually referring to the memory, I meant the core. Of course it's completely different technology, but look at all the various different levels of cooling quite similar RAM has. Surely the cheapest options wouldn't exist if they couldn't cool the RAM safely?
As for the issue over the dominator fans, I haven't argued for or against it right now, I was more looking for anyone who knew any more about the limit for RAM temperatures to put my mind at rest. However, the dominator fan will certainly be useful, a RAM cooler worked wonders for my housemate when his RAM overheated (he has even less case ventilation than I do). However, RAM coolers use small, fast fans, which make an irritating noise. For some people, not an issue I know, but if you do want your PC quiet, it's worth considering something fanless like an HR-07, or whatever the number is for the RAM cooler.
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27. July 2008 @ 16:59 |
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I wasn't actually referring to the memory, I meant the core. Of course it's completely different technology, but look at all the various different levels of cooling quite similar RAM has.Surely the cheapest options wouldn't exist if they couldn't cool the RAM safely?
If they aren't used for or advertised for the explicit purpose of overclocking then what's the point of added cooling? As Russ stated a while ago, the Jedec standard for DDR2 is 400~800 MHz. The RAM that we've been discussing is 1066 MHz RAM which is out of spec for the standard. All the various types of RAM require only as much cooling as needed based on how they are used. If I was going to do a build and run the system at stock speeds, I'd get the cheapest RAM that I could find with the lowest latency, and heat sink bedamned.
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27. July 2008 @ 21:24 |
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Question, if i am using my PC and the screen goes black and then my system reboots fine that would be most likely the grpahics card shutting itself down due to a heat issue?
The reason i ask is because i had my CPU on load and it shut down and i was abit worried about my quad. I upped the fan speed with rivatuner to keep my gpu temp down(when i rebooted it was at 58, i know thats low for a gpu but hey my 3870 doesnt like much heat)
After i did that and did the exact same thing i was doing(on load) my pc was fine. Had a scare there.
On my next build(probably next year) i'm not going to bother overclocking anything more than cpu. Too risky these days.
As for RAM cooling, the OCZ one is worth the purchase. Don't hold me to this(i'll have to recheck) but the RAM i have is 800 and 4-4-4-15. A mate used the ram cooler and was able to get the same ram i have to 1066 at 4-4-4-12.
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27. July 2008 @ 21:28 |
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Question, if i am using my PC and the screen goes black and then my system reboots fine that would be most likely the grpahics card shutting itself down due to a heat issue?
Anything is possible but when a graphics card over heats it tends to introduce artifacts (visual distortions). My guess would be an overheated processor which will crash and cause a reboot. This doesn't mean that your processor was harmed it's just doing what it was meant to do, shut down before it can be damaged.
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27. July 2008 @ 21:31 |
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As for CPU temps i've never had anything over about 40c(on load)
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27. July 2008 @ 21:40 |
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Then it could be software related or any number of things but including graphics card, but I doubt the last one. I'm not saying that it couldn't be your graphics card but my experience has me looking elsewhere. I've been overclocking graphics cards for close to a decade and the result of pushing it beyond its limits and overheating it has always been artifacts, or a freeze up.
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27. July 2008 @ 21:42 |
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Originally posted by GregI6:
As for CPU temps i've never had anything over about 40c(on load)
Greg I don't mean to be "suspicious" but 40C at LOAD is really quite unbelievable.... I have that same cpu (not operating right now.. waiting on mobo) and it never went below 26C at idle.. that's damn good btw.... I was on "cheapy" air and at load it went to the low 60's.
.....gm
edit: took out my last statement... re-read it and it didn't make any sense.. I was thinking of something else while answering that post... sorry about the silliness. ;)
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GregI6
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27. July 2008 @ 21:49 |
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Thermalright Ultra Extreme and Arctic Silver 5. Lethal combo for Air i think. Not to mention decent air circulation in my case. Replaced the NZXT fans with S-FLEX.
If the morning is cool ive seen temps as low as 16c(idle) This was in like December when it was getting to about -3 and stuff.
One of the benefits of living in Scotland and having a room agood 40 feet up.
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27. July 2008 @ 22:20 |
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GregI6: Can you tell me which S-Flex case fans you have?
I have the same case as you do, and my air circulation is garbage...something I learned from my ridiculously high temps...
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27. July 2008 @ 22:23 |
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http://scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=533394
The 1600rpm one. I only have one at the side(just fits in due to the cooler) and on the cpu cooler itself so you could go one better and stick another at the front aswell.
Not sure what to do with the RED Led one at the back. I'll just leave it i think.
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