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16. October 2010 @ 16:28 |
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IF they kept the same naming scheme, a 6770 at near 5870 speeds would be nice, and fall inline with 5770 and 4870. im dissapointed in the naming scheme, and if they pull an nvidia and rebrand.
BUT if the price is there, then all should be good. hopefully a 6870 wont go over £220 inc vat.
PS i am returning MOH. i have it here unopened, and realised with black ops coming out, and with BC2, i really have no need for it at all. esp as i still am playing cod4 online haha. and i am sure gun game will keep me occupied like no other.
returning it to play.com, have my RMA number, and getting PES2011, or FIFA11, still deciding.
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16. October 2010 @ 16:53 |
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LOL you'd think I'd be excited for more video cards but 2 5850's is still overkill. Lemme check again... yep, still overkill. I miss using my 4870s and those were almost overkill too. I might be using these 5850s for a very very long time.
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16. October 2010 @ 17:16 |
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It's not a complete rebrand, as the HD6870 is completely different to the HD5870, but the HD5770/6770 are likely to be very similar, which I agree is disappointing.
Lol @ returning an EA game for buying one from Activision. You should be ashamed :P
Two 5850s are perhaps overkill, at 1920x1200. At 2560x1600 two 6870s will compare similarly to your 5850s, slightly behind.
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16. October 2010 @ 17:33 |
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no, im returning an EA game for either an EA or a konami. activition will get my money no question haha.
wish i had 2 4870s right now. would help alot. though hopefully 5870s will drop in price, to £230ish second hand soon? might pick one up.
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harvrdguy
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17. October 2010 @ 00:25 |
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Originally posted by DXR:
they seem to shoot whatever they can get there hands on. improvising buggers ill give'm that.
Yeah! Do we have any hope of ever helping them put a country together out of all those tribes?
Originally posted by omega:
As I face palm myself once again... :p
Originally posted by sam:
Then don't keep bringing it up :P
LOL - don't expect Sam to soft-peddle the hard cold reality!!!
Originally posted by omega:
Very cool! I've been working on a picture with a lot of white, and realized that the constant dark speck was gone. I'm friggin happier than a fly in doo doo LOL!
Well, Kevin doesn't stay down for long, :P
Originally posted by shaff:
PS i am returning MOH. i have it here unopened, and realised with black ops coming out, and with BC2, i really have no need for it at all. esp as i still am playing cod4 online haha. and i am sure gun game will keep me occupied like no other.
Hmmm. well, in that case, I probably won't be picking it up either, until the price drops in half on ebay, and then I'll enjoy the single player game. Did you guys see the snoop video about the game - EA went over to snoop's house - pretty cool video.
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Red_Maw
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17. October 2010 @ 00:36 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not really, it's the same process and these are midrange cards now not the top-end, so they're priced lower. Slight losses are about what I'd expect.
Show's what I know, I always thought the 5850 was midrange to start with.
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17. October 2010 @ 02:00 |
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Originally posted by shaff:
no, im returning an EA game for either an EA or a konami. activition will get my money no question haha.
Pirates aren't the death of the games industry. People like you are. And no, I'm not joking.
Originally posted by shaff:
wish i had 2 4870s right now. would help alot. though hopefully 5870s will drop in price, to £230ish second hand soon? might pick one up.
They'll just go EOL so you'll just be looking at ebay prices. The HD6870 should be roughly that sort of price and use a bit less power, so you may as well just do that.
Maw: Not really, the HD5850 is mid high-end.
As it stands right now:
G210: Integrated section
HD5450: HTPC cards [bottom-end]
GT220: Low-end [Low]
HD5550: Low-end [Mid]
HD5570: Low-end [Mid]
HD5670: Low-end [High]
GT240: Midrange [Low]
HD5750: Midrange [Mid]
HD5770: Midrange [High]
GTS450: Midrange [Top]
HD5830: High-end [Low] or Midrange [Top]
GTX460: High-end [Low] or Midrange [Top]
GTX460 1GB: High-end [Low]
HD5850: High-end [Mid]
GTX470: High-end [Mid]
HD5870: High-end [Top]
GTX480: High-end [Top]
HD5970: Top-end
4GB HD5970: Top-end [Absolute]
The HD6 cards will fit in roughly like this:
HD6350: HTPC cards [bottom-end]
HD6750: Midrange [Low]
HD6770: Midrange [Mid]
HD6850: Midrange [Top]
HD6870: High-end [Low]
HD6950: High-end [Top]
HD6970: Top-end [Mid]
HD6990: Top-end [Absolute]
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17. October 2010 @ 03:13 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Yeah! Do we have any hope of ever helping them put a country together out of all those tribes?
[sarcasm]sure....Christians and Pagans get along real well, when some ones pointing the blade at them. [/sarcasm]
No, we leave they go back to there old ways.
you can't teach an old goat new tricks, now the young ones they can be retaught...
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17. October 2010 @ 03:21 |
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Well, I stressed the hell out of both CPU and GPU tonight. On the MSI Barebone HTPC that is LOL! The GPU reached 71C and seemed to level off there. I don't think the GPU is defective. The CPU made it through 6+ minutes of Prime 95(Lots of Ram tested). I doubt there's a Ram problem, but I plan to run memtest tomorrow. I fear the Mobo may be dying. It's either that or the Seasonic power supply fan is dead, causing the PSU to heat up, and fowl up. If that were to happen while windows runs, it would lock up the system. I've had that happen before. I honestly hope that it's the fan on the PSU. To replace the motherboard with the exact same model would cost me 50 - 75$ minimum. That's completely ridiculous for an outdated am2 board! If it's the board, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably recommend he go with a PS3 for a replacement :D It is after all just a media center I loaned him. The machine totally paid for itself ;)
Guess I'll be reading about the PS3 pros and cons, vs HTPC. Since PS3 can stream netflix though, I think he could be happy with that.
Play videos though...and about 20 - 40 minutes in, it locks up completely. I'm at a loss...
I did check the event log by the way. Nothing there of use. No application crashes. My guess is, because it's hardware related, windows can't make heads or tails of it...
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17. October 2010 @ 03:26 |
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I wouldn't read too much into the PSU fan failing story. It isn't a particularly common reason for PCs to be unstable. If a decent PSU overheats it should shut down.
Have you checked the windows event log to see if any software issues are to blame?
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17. October 2010 @ 03:27 |
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LOL! I edited. I DID check the event log...
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17. October 2010 @ 03:30 |
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Definitely worth a memtest, and if the video locks up after 20-40 minutes, run the CPU stress test for at least that long.
The faulty 5970s I had crashed after 20 odd minutes in games, and sometimes took up to 20 minutes to crash in furmark.
Obviously you should try a reformat/reinstall if you haven't done so already. Other than that, maybe try a spare graphics card (ideally another nvidia so you don't have driver switching to deal with) to actually prove that's not the issue. Assuming the CPU isn't overclocked and it passes stress tests, and the graphics card isn't to blame, then you can try a new PSU as a test but if all else fails it's likely a board fault. Motherboards are I believe statistically the least reliable PC components (retarded considering they're the least complex)
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17. October 2010 @ 03:42 |
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I've been strongly considering a reformat. I'll run Memtest tomorrow, and Furmark considerably longer, and then make a decision. It has an Nforce chip. And given how some of the enthusiasts rate those boards...I think its likely to be the board/chipset.
May luck be with me :p
Its not isolated to one program either. Netflix streaming(Silverlight), Arcsoft total media theater, and MPCHC exhibited the same lockup/crash. My brother seems to think that its fine idling, but playing video seems to bring on the havoc. Perhaps it is video related. And the Ram? Unlikely as it is, I have to check the Ram. I've seen the video programs gobble up Ram playing back HD files ;) Definitely worth a memtest.
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17. October 2010 @ 03:51 |
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Ah, didn't realise it was an nforce. If it were me I wouldn't even bother testing the PSU or the graphics card, I'd just replace the motherboard without thinking about it.
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17. October 2010 @ 03:56 |
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Oh sure, 50+ dollars. No problem LOL!
I guess I've known this has been coming. He's had little hiccups in the past. To which I've recalled your dislike in the Nforce chipsets. It has to be the damn board... :(
It was sooooo smooth while it lasted...
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17. October 2010 @ 04:00 |
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There were plenty of problems with both my nforce boards right from the off. They weren't explicable at the time, but none of them ever recurred on intel chipset boards, or even the ATI chipset Asus board I had. I hate to sound like a broken record but there isn't really a good word I can say about nforce boards at all. That said, both the nforces I owned being Asus boards, that's a match made in hell.
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17. October 2010 @ 04:12 |
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17. October 2010 @ 19:47 |
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Nforce chipsets get too hot.
you might try some Microfans and some thermal paste for the chipset. its a shame and a sham you have to have an nforce chip to have SLI.
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17. October 2010 @ 19:53 |
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17. October 2010 @ 20:15 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Your experience was certainly worse then mine :S But perhaps my negative experience was simply delayed. Win some, lose some. What's even more unfortunate, is that the HTPC case ONLY supports Micro Atx. I don't have any spares.
Unless I wanna go with this lovely Foxconn board LOL!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186155
you kidding right...about the foxconn board.
get an ASrock board, Ive been running a micro 939 board from them in a HTPC for NAS and streaming nonstop. its been turned of twice in 6 years.
its a dollar cheaper to boot...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157202
id pay the extra ten bucks and get the one with the new nforce chipset
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157187
LOL! Yes, I was joking about the Foxconn. That Asrock does look good.
Probably right about the hot chipset. The HTPC resides underneath a stereo receiver, with only an ~inch of air space above it. I sure hate to modify an HTPC case, that's in plain view, with my poor skills. Never have been too good working with metal or wood. Did ok with my circular hole in my secondary though. I was highly careful ;)
I wonder if simply removing the heatsink, and reapplying thermal paste, and adding a fan would help. Or perhaps i'd be pissing in the wind...
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18. October 2010 @ 00:42 |
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Hey sam, do you know you if the sunbeam rheobus fan controller's still work if the LED's are removed? The specification says that they can be removed and then inserted "reversely" to reverse the color sequence so it seems like I should be able to remove them, would be nice to know before buying though.
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harvrdguy
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18. October 2010 @ 01:00 |
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Hey guys,
I'm no help on Red's issue on removing leds, although that is kind of interesting because I might be picking up a small 4 position fan controller pretty soon. And I sure am no help on Kevin's mobo problem in his HTPC.
But I have the latest scoop on that new game I hinted about from V.
It's something about Dota. This is the link.
Five players against five players, with super hero AI thrown in for good measure. If you know how to use the super heroes, you're in good shape.
If not, and you see one comin' YOU BETTA RUN!!!
Not being World War 2, it normally wouldn't appeal to me, but I already learned my lesson from ignoring Left 4 Dead for 6 months while Sam kept raving about it - so this time I probably won't be the last one in on this game.
Here's the character that Miles has been working on.
Has anybody played this mod?
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18. October 2010 @ 03:28 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
its a shame and a sham you have to have an nforce chip to have SLI.
Not true with LGA1156 or LGA1366 for Intel. Intel were so peed off at nforce chipsets they banned them, so now motherboard manufacturers pay nvidia a license to fee to legally be allowed to put SLI in the BIOS of the motherboard. Cheap boards don't get SLI, not because they lack any equipment but because they didn't pay the quite considerable license fee.
Omega: I'd take that Foxconn over any ASRock board any day. ASRock is the cheap low quality arm of Asus, so what does that tell you?
Maw: Yes they are removable.
Rich: Lmao have I played it. About the only multiplayer game I currently play at all is HoN, which is effectively the current incarnation of DoTA until DoTA2 comes out. I've played at least 300 hours of it I would think.
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18. October 2010 @ 03:39 |
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Well...I'm not convinced the mobo is dead yet. It still runs. It seems to only go sour after a substantial amount of time playing video. Some of my internet digging suggests that Nforce chipsets require better cooling. I'm currently looking into that possibility. I'm gonna run an experiment in the morning, and then loop video playback to run indefinitely, and see what I come up with. If it passes, I give the chipset even better cooling. And when the board ultimately bites the big one, I'll slap what ever cooling I put in it, on my primary board :D
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18. October 2010 @ 03:49 |
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I'm not sure what the heat output of low-end nforce chipsets is. What I do know is that the 680i and 780i chipsets use more power than a dual core CPU like the E6850 and E8500. That should give you some idea as to how much cooling they need. (I believe the 680i was 70W, the 780i was 75 or 80W, whereas both the CPUs I listed are 65W)
The 650i board I had used the largest northbridge I've seen albeit with very spaced fins. According to the sensor [which are programmed to read wrong so you don't realise the chipsets overheat, good one nvidia!] the chipset was 43ºC, when I ran a thermal probe on the heatsink [which probably wasn't as hot as the chipset itself] it was 76ºC.
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