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24. May 2008 @ 04:17 |
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im1992,
Quote: Is a 120mm fan at 1162rpm good or is a 80mm fan at 2000rpm be better?
It's not that simple. It's all about how many CFM the fan makes at what RPM! My 80mm Silverstone moves about 25 cfm at 1300 rpm and the 120mm Silverstone moves about 75 cfm at 1400 rpm. Both are capable of much more cfm, but they would be too noisy for most people. Still the 120 is capable of 110 cfm and the 80, 75 cfm. Ideally, you would want the most airflow at the lowest possible speed to keep it quiet as possible and still cool well. Another plus is they com with individual controllers
I like ball bearing fans for their durability and steady running speed. I like and use the Silverstones because they move lots of air at the speeds I run them and at the speeds I run them they are reasonably quiet, don't disturb my sleep and can barely be heard across the room (about 10 ft.) The video card is the loudest fan in the computer! when lying in bed with the computer running I can barely hear them at all (about 6.5" away).
Another direction to go is with some type of sleeve bearing fan, and regardless of what fancy name they give some of the bearings they all pretty much work the same, the heat of friction causes lubricant to render out of the bronze or ceramic bushings to lubricate the shaft. They tend to have more of a change in running speed because of this process, so they do speed up and slow down, but it's not that noticeable. They do get more noisy towards the end of their life! If the lowest amount of noise is your goal, then these type would be best for you. Unless you live in a very dusty environment like I do! Even magnetically sealed sleeve bearing are terrible here as the dust works it way in and ruins the teflon seal on the turning and static surfaces. They don't last very long here either! I think the longest one has lasted is about 6 months, and then they start rattling and screeching when you first start the computer The ones with the Sony S-FDB bearings are the worst, as they are no mach for the fine silt like dust we get all the time around here. It gets into damn near everything! Scythe s-aflex fans are good, but they only have one model I tried personally and it had less cfm at 1600 rpm than the 120mm I have now makes at 1200, moving about the same amount of air!
Don't even consider most of the manufacturer's claims for noise as about 85% or more of those claims are pure BS! Sam is the expert on Silent PCs around here and has probably tested more fans than anybody here. If a silent PC is in your plans, he's the man to talk to!
Good fans generally cost between $15 and $20, but are generally worth it. I don't generally think too much about the warranty, as cheaper fans usually cost more to ship back than the fan cost to begin with. Even some name brands like Thermaltake tend to fudge a bit (a lot on the Thunderblade!) on their noise levels. They claimed 21dBA @2000 rpm for the Thunderblade. I tested one out after feeing that it was making between 33-35 dBA, rather than the claimed 21. I've got a pretty good ear and it tested out at 33.7 dBA in the company I work for's Anechoic Chamber. Pretty good hearing for an old man who'll be 64 in a month! Sam has extraordinary hearing too! That's the main reason he wants as quiet a PC as you can get. Like me, he hears things most people don't. Like me, he's a great music lover, with an ear for good music. I think it's because we both hear things most people miss completely! I know my hearing goes all the way up to 21,700 cycles as of the first of May, and Sam's range must go to the moon! LOL!! as he can hear things even I can't! I know I listen to Eric Clapton and Duane Allman's work on the original "Layla" it's like Nirvana! I hear every frett, every note and every harmonic (SWEET!) Believe me when I say, it's absolute Magic to listen to! I'm so glad I can still hear it all!
marsey99,
Quote: but sam said he had used as5 so that was why i posted my tip.
Sorry bout that! I completely forgot that Sam switched coolers, I'm just used to the Freezer 7! LOL!!
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24. May 2008 @ 06:37 |
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The 120mm fan will probably push more air, but it'll be a lot quieter doing it, 120mm fans are always better than 80mms if you can fit them in.
For reference, the
Also out of interest, two Casecom ball-bearing fans in my old PC that are now a few years old are making hideous grinding noises when they're first powered on and run at about 1/4 speed until the noise stops, or i knock them. The two Nexus sleeve bearing fans I have are over 18 months old and so far still perfect - same running speed as new, and although I'm sure the rpm does vary slightly, its actually less than the FM121s, because it isn't noticeable to the ear. Then again at 22dB, not a great deal would be!
A little 'for reference' for you:
The Nexus 80mm fans push a little under 20CFM at 20dB. They are almost inaudible behind any high or low pitched noise, such as a hard disk spindle, watercooling pump etc. On their own in a silent room you can hear something's there, but not much.
The Nexus 120mm fans push 30CFM at 22dB. They are clearly audible, but only if there are no other prominent low frequency noises such as other fans, hard disk vibrations etc. In the typical PC environment both fans will be heard as a faint and calm rushing sound, there's very little tonal motor noise, it's mainly just the air pushing past whatever vent you have. If you are able to use a Metal circle fan grille and nothing else, this is ideal, as it cuts down the turbulence for more airflow and less noise.
The Nexus fan spins at a bit under 1100rpm for 120mm, and 1500rpm for 80mm.
By contrast, the Scythe S-Flex fans push 50CFM at 1600rpm, but 31dB (for the 120mm). These produce a clearly audible tonal noise, but relatively low vibrations, and are still quieter than the 'average PC' by themselves.
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24. May 2008 @ 12:48 |
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hi,
damn.....fan buying is so f...ing hard!
Well, I don't have any equipment to check the actual CFM so I did the hand test. And.... the 80mm fan @ 2000rmp moves much more air than the 120mm @ 1162rpm. This is so annoying.
Thanks for the help guys.
I also have a question about fan placement...
The case has a place for a fan in the front (80mm, 92mm, or 120mm)
A fan in the back (80mm, 92mm, or 120mm)
Two fan places on the side panel (both 80mm)
Which way should each of them be pointing? For example: front: in, back: out, sides: in???
-thanks,
im1992
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24. May 2008 @ 13:12 |
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Originally posted by im1992: hi,
damn.....fan buying is so f...ing hard!
Well, I don't have any equipment to check the actual CFM so I did the hand test. And.... the 80mm fan @ 2000rmp moves much more air than the 120mm @ 1162rpm. This is so annoying.
Thanks for the help guys.
I also have a question about fan placement...
The case has a place for a fan in the front (80mm, 92mm, or 120mm)
A fan in the back (80mm, 92mm, or 120mm)
Two fan places on the side panel (both 80mm)
Which way should each of them be pointing? For example: front: in, back: out, sides: in???
-thanks,
im1992
1st of all there's much more to it than just fan size. it all depends on the cfm. I completely agree with what sam said. a 120mm fan will move more air than a 80mm fan (same rpm, blade pitch etc.). an 80mm fan has to turn faster or have an increased blade pitch to move as much air as a 120mm fan and are therefore usually noisier. the proof is in front of you. your 80mm fan is turning at 2000 rpm and your 120mm fan is only 1162. most have a rating (rpm, cfm and noise level). look for high cfm (cubic feet per minute) at a low noise level (dBA). a couple popular choices are the scythe SFF21F and the antec tricools. there are many other good choices. I would stay away from the thermaltake thunderblades. their name says it all. they are loud. simply put, use a 120mm fan where possible.
you want the front fan blowing in and the rear fan blowing out. it is not always necessary to use a fan on the side panel. if you choose to use one, try it both directions, monitoring temps both ways.
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24. May 2008 @ 13:55 |
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ok, i will do that
also is it true that side panel fans disrupt the "natural" airflow of the case?
-thanks
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24. May 2008 @ 14:35 |
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Originally posted by im1992: ok, i will do that
also is it true that side panel fans disrupt the "natural" airflow of the case?
-thanks
they can.
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24. May 2008 @ 15:02 |
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If you have one in, one out that are the same size, then adding a side fan will disrupt things.
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24. May 2008 @ 15:54 |
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ok, so the best airflow would be 2 identical good 120mm fans (one in front, and one in back)? And of course the other fans inside the case (gpu, cpu, psu)...
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24. May 2008 @ 16:25 |
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24. May 2008 @ 16:33 |
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Not necessarily. You could have two fans front and back exactly the same, and then you could have one sidefan giving cold air directly to the CPU and one giving cold air directly to the Graphics Card.
BTW, I sold a couple of those monitors. Nor I just need to sell a few more and I can afford one for myself. I've got 950 dollars right now. Do you guys think I should build or hold off on it.
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24. May 2008 @ 16:42 |
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No, you need to consider the pressure difference. Forcing more air in than can get out or vice versa is pointless.
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24. May 2008 @ 17:11 |
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im1992,
Quote: also is it true that side panel fans disrupt the "natural" airflow of the case?
Absolutely! I just installed an Enzotech CBN-R1 NB cooler and had to make my side cover fan into and intake instead of an exhaust. with the old Heat Sink using the fan as an exhaust worked best! Yes fans are a PITA! Fan manufacturers grossly over-rate their airflow and under-rate their true sound levels. As Mort says, the Thunderblade's name says it all! If it takes turning a fan 2000 rpm to move 40-50 cfm, chances are very good that it will be loud doing it.
The real problem is finding a way to direct the air where you need it. As long as the memory controller is on the NB, then the CPU and it will be close together which means a lot of heat in a very small area. Altering the side to side airflow helps to shift the airstream a bit, so you'll have to try different speeds and directions to see what works best. Unfortunately you have to buy to try! It took me 3 tries before I found a quiet, high airflow 40mm fan for the NB cooler. Now I've learned to avoid brands like the Evercool and Silenx as the Silenx didn't last 6 months and the Evercool at 4500 rpm just screamed! The Antek I replaced them with turns 2000 rpm and moves 6.5 cfm and is the quietest 40mm I've ever seen and costs all of $4! Of course if noise is no problem you could get one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835221001
24 cfm, 15,000 rpm @55.5 Dba! ROFLMAO!!
Russ
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24. May 2008 @ 17:58 |
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LOL! And the 120mm Nexus fans I use push more than that at 20dB, jesus, why would you bother!?
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24. May 2008 @ 18:23 |
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sammorris,
Quote: LOL! And the 120mm Nexus fans I use push more than that at 20dB, jesus, why would you bother!?
You have to admit that attaching that 120 to the NB would be a real mother frogger! ROFLMAO The Mice would go on strike! 55.5 Dba is loud! Very loud! LOL!!
Russ
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24. May 2008 @ 20:13 |
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man....too much testing LOL
I will try switching fans and monitor temps in a few days when I get done with finals so next Wednesday. thanks for all the help guys!
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24. May 2008 @ 23:08 |
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well indeed. If a chipset needs that much airflow though, something's up!
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3. June 2008 @ 18:34 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: well indeed. If a chipset needs that much airflow though, something's up!
ALIE.
try puting some good TP on.
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Sorry, what?
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Originally posted by shaffaaf: Originally posted by sammorris: well indeed. If a chipset needs that much airflow though, something's up!
ALIE.
try puting some good TP on.
that's the first thing I do when I get a mobo is remove the NB and SB heatsinks, scrape and thouroughly clean of all the oem TP $hit and reapply using AS5 or equivalent. if you wait to do this after the mobo has been used, the heatsinks are much harder to remove. it supposedly voids the warranty but I am yet to have to RMA a mobo. guess I've been lucky :)
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3. June 2008 @ 23:10 |
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@sam
TP = thermal paste if thats what you are asking.....
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3. June 2008 @ 23:27 |
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Yeah I know, but I don't understand why A LIE was used.
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4. June 2008 @ 00:01 |
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i didn't lie!
what did i say?
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4. June 2008 @ 00:06 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf: Originally posted by sammorris: well indeed. If a chipset needs that much airflow though, something's up!
ALIE.
try puting some good TP on.
He is referring to Shaf's post.
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4. June 2008 @ 00:22 |
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i was doing some playing with my fans i have come to the conclusion not to buy and faster fans, based on the fact that my cooling only decreases once i have my fans below 800rpm i dont think i need any faster than 1.6k.
sam if you can get it to fit you should swap your true for an ifx14 m8, it needs so much less fan speed to get the same cooling, so less noise and all that for you :D
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4. June 2008 @ 01:28 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1: Originally posted by shaffaaf: Originally posted by sammorris: well indeed. If a chipset needs that much airflow though, something's up!
ALIE.
try puting some good TP on.
He is referring to Shaf's post.
lol, ok
i guess i need some rest before i start posting sum BS nonsense sh*t again...........
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